The Energon Pub

Double post.

WJ, It is a great list even if Tidalwave doesn't make no. 1. A lot of cool bots on there.

no mention of skybite?

Woohoo! Aquatic Transformers for the win!

Very good list, I must say. Though I'd have liked Energon Mirage/Dreadwing to at least get an honourable mention, along with, of course, the Seacons (though that's already been mentioned).

Cybershark seems a bit of an odd choice for number 1 though. Now granted I don't own him, but he seems a bit...pedestrian? I would have gone with TM2 Cybershark/RID Skybyte, or even Beast Wars II Hellscream. BW Rampage would have been a good mention...but I might just be saying that because of my unhealthy obsession with BW Rampage, and crab-bots in general (Nautilator, BW Razorclaw, Octopunch etc...).

Hearts Of Steel Shockwave(Cyclops), Micromaster Seawatch, Flattop, Six Changer Quickswitch, G1 Sharkticons & Allicons, Skullcruncher, RID 2015 Hammerstrike

So once again WJ-35 chooses a theme that blatantly excludes Stalker.

That's fine, it's what I've come to expect from his Stalker hatred. But now it's clearly obvious that his hatred towards G1.5 figures extends to G2 figures.

Manta Ray. Making speed boats cool way before that PCC loser Undertow.

Tidal Wave definitely deserves better than just a mention.

I do love that Energon Sharkticon made the list, I love that figure for some reason. I would have probably put him and TW as the top two, then Seaspray. I honestly don't know where I'd go after that.

Stu, the list is only for those that got toys

Stuartmaximus wrote:+ Tidal Wave's other rebuilt form.....Mirage

I did mention that one.. at least.

Rodimus Prime wrote:5. Voyager Seaspray
4. Beast Wars Metal Depth Charge
3. Galaxy Force Thunderblast (and BotCon Elita)
2. G1 Seacons
1. Armada Tidal Wave (and repaints)

Honorable mention: RiD Sky-Byte for the shark mode. Robot mode and transformation are subpar, but water-themed alt mode is top notch

Gorgeous list, thanks! By the way, while her name is Thunderblast in the Cybertron line, she is Galaxy Force Chromia. And the reason I didnt put her on my list is because I greatly dislike that mold (she made honourable mention here) and think it's one of the most overrated toys ever. That list will be up someday too, looking forward to the comments
But really, thanks for the list, I wish more people wrote their top 5 too so that we can get a sense of everyone's taste.

Also, why would you pick RID Sky-Byte over TM2 Cybershark, do you preffer the deco on Sky-Byte? I had that mold and much preffered the update Takara did with Gelshark, who is in my honourable mentions. They found an awesome way to take care of his big shell and have both robot and shark mode looking like sleek deadly killers. Plus, the update makes his chest actually be the shark head, I found that pretty incredible.

ZeroWolf wrote:Stu, the list is only for those that got toys

wasn't there an allicon figure

i thought there was

There was no Alicon figure released. You're probably thinking of some other line that features transforming robots.

StarFireMk4 wrote:Actually I take it back, while it's still good it's incomplete. WHERE'S CLAWJAW?

Haha, there can only be so many bots mentioned, one will always get away. Hence why we have these discussions
So, who would you remove from the list to include clawjaw?

Ultra Markus wrote:no mention of skybite?

Yes, he is mentionned, but by his Japanese name Gelshark since that deco made too huge a difference to ignore.

Delta Magnus wrote:Woohoo! Aquatic Transformers for the win!

Very good list, I must say. Though I'd have liked Energon Mirage/Dreadwing to at least get an honourable mention, along with, of course, the Seacons (though that's already been mentioned).

Thanks man! And I did mention Energon Mirage, I too think he is awesome. That headsculpt is killer!

And yeah aside from Octopunch, I did exclude a lot of G1. Thats because I do compare all toys being equal, which I get might not be fair to some. But by doing that, a lot of G1 usually seems dated in comparison. These lists are meant to help show different parts of this hobby to those that might not be aware of it all. And I find it hard to recomend G1 outright to people starting since its very much a world of its own. Some lists will have G1 when its appropriate and when a G1 toy does rise above the rest (like when looking at best car alt modes for instance, or G1 scattershot being a really cool looking cybertronian ship). But for the most part, G1 usually gets its own lists because it is so hard to compare with toys that have more articulation and that arent as dated (like the Sharkticon I mention which might be almost 15 years old but whos articulation, deco and playability is as good if not better than today's toys).

As for BW Rampage, thats very interesting, because I considered him more land, especially with those treads. But yeah, he is water themed, as crabs are (though I associate them more to the shore than outright being in the water, unlike a shark or a boat, but thats just me).

You know, this is making me think that this water theme is far greater than some may have thought. And while some people have now learnt of Undertow, I have now learnt of Manta. So thanks Burn. He does look terrible though Joking aside, its pretty cool that he comes up right away when you google Boat Transformer:



If anyone can name more water themed TFs not covered yet, don't be shy.

Here's a few more although they wouldnt make the list:


Transformers Cybertron Shortround Gallery


Transformers Beast Machines Hammerstrike Gallery


BW Razorclaw


Transformers Beast Wars Sea Clamp (Gimlet) Gallery

william-james88 wrote:

StarFireMk4 wrote:Actually I take it back, while it's still good it's incomplete. WHERE'S CLAWJAW?

Haha, there can only be so many bots mentioned, one will always get away. Hence why we have these discussions
So, who would you remove from the list to include clawjaw?

Ultra Markus wrote:no mention of skybite?

Yes, he is mentionned, but by his Japanese name Gelshark since that deco made too huge a difference to ignore.

Delta Magnus wrote:Woohoo! Aquatic Transformers for the win!

Very good list, I must say. Though I'd have liked Energon Mirage/Dreadwing to at least get an honourable mention, along with, of course, the Seacons (though that's already been mentioned).

Thanks man! And I did mention Energon Mirage, I too think he is awesome. That headsculpt is killer!

And yeah aside from Octopunch, I did exclude a lot of G1. Thats because I do compare all toys being equal, which I get might not be fair to some. But by doing that, a lot of G1 usually seems dated in comparison. These lists are meant to help show different parts of this hobby to those that might not be aware of it all. And I find it hard to recomend G1 outright to people starting since its very much a world of its own. Some lists will have G1 when its appropriate and when a G1 toy does rise above the rest (like when looking at best car alt modes for instance, or G1 scattershot being a really cool looking cybertronian ship). But for the most part, G1 usually gets its own lists because it is so hard to compare with toys that have more articulation and that arent as dated (like the Sharkticon I mention which might be almost 15 years old but whos articulation, deco and playability is as good if not better than today's toys).

As for BW Rampage, thats very interesting, because I considered him more land, especially with those treads. But yeah, he is water themed, as crabs are (though I associate them more to the shore than outright being in the water, unlike a shark or a boat, but thats just me).

You know, this is making me think that this water theme is far greater than some may have thought. And while some people have now learnt of Undertow, I have now learnt of Manta. So thanks Burn. He does look terrible though Joking aside, its pretty cool that he comes up right away when you google Boat Transformer:



If anyone can name more water themed TFs not covered yet, don't be shy.

Here's a few more although they wouldnt make the list:


Transformers Cybertron Shortround Gallery


Transformers Beast Machines Hammerstrike Gallery


BW Razorclaw


Transformers Beast Wars Sea Clamp (Gimlet) Gallery

if you want to count multi-changers theres broadside and quickswitch or since hasbro now owns gobots- Dive-dive

Dr Va'al wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Great list James and holy crap! I have never seen or heard of Undertow! That's an awesome looking figure! I can't believe I've seen or heard of that dude before! I want him!

That is the wonder of the PCC line. They will always be in my heart.
My Elastic Heart. With Shia.


(You better be looking after them Will.)



But yes, I entirely agree on Undertow, it's an excellent little boat that could, and will. And it has the Octopunch homage, excellent headsculpt and lightpiping, plus gattling guns. Because the seas be a dangerous place, laddie. Yarr.

Ha! Didn't even notice that! Thanks!

william-james88 wrote:

StarFireMk4 wrote:Actually I take it back, while it's still good it's incomplete. WHERE'S CLAWJAW?

Haha, there can only be so many bots mentioned, one will always get away. Hence why we have these discussions
So, who would you remove from the list to include clawjaw?

Hmm..

This may be debatable, and it IS your list, but I'd replace Sharkticon with Clawjaw.

PretendaH!

Diver
Gilmer
Splashdown

Landcross Wavah!

Micromaster Seawatch/Boater

Modern:

Breacher (semi amphibious)

Undertow? Never heard of him, but I see why he makes the list

BW Razorclaw! And yeah, Claw Jaw too, love that little weirdo. But WJ, I'm shocked that Legends Skybyte doesn't make your list, even that he's #1. You love that figure! Haters be damned!

Kyleor wrote:...Which figure is the one in the teaser pic since it's not on the list at all?

Yeah, that one actually looked the best of the lot lol

If we include 3P, MMC's Hearts of Steel Shockwave is pretty neat, and the new TFC Seacons combiner set looks to be shaping up nicely.

jay5 wrote:

Kyleor wrote:...Which figure is the one in the teaser pic since it's not on the list at all?

Yeah, that one actually looked the best of the lot lol

If we include 3P, MMC's Hearts of Steel Shockwave is pretty neat, and the new TFC Seacons combiner set looks to be shaping up nicely.

That's Revenge of the Fallen Depthcharge. He's a fun toy but his legs aren't the best, I would of preferred if more of the boats hull folded away but I guess that would be too much for scout class.

Well, Seaspreay was great (especially teamed up with Breacher) but I don't really care for the rest at all. Never been into water-based altforms. Maybe it's cos to look right they'd best be put in actual water and I'm not gonna do that.

You've overlooked the greatest aqua-bot of them all! Poor Tako Tank -- why must true love always allude you?

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Woohoo! Aquatic Transformers for the win!

Very good list, I must say. Though I'd have liked Energon Mirage/Dreadwing to at least get an honourable mention, along with, of course, the Seacons (though that's already been mentioned).

Thanks man! And I did mention Energon Mirage, I too think he is awesome. That headsculpt is killer!

And yeah aside from Octopunch, I did exclude a lot of G1. Thats because I do compare all toys being equal, which I get might not be fair to some. But by doing that, a lot of G1 usually seems dated in comparison. These lists are meant to help show different parts of this hobby to those that might not be aware of it all. And I find it hard to recomend G1 outright to people starting since its very much a world of its own. Some lists will have G1 when its appropriate and when a G1 toy does rise above the rest (like when looking at best car alt modes for instance, or G1 scattershot being a really cool looking cybertronian ship). But for the most part, G1 usually gets its own lists because it is so hard to compare with toys that have more articulation and that arent as dated (like the Sharkticon I mention which might be almost 15 years old but whos articulation, deco and playability is as good if not better than today's toys).

Yeah, I hear ya. Would a top 5 aquatic G1/G1.5/G2 TF toys be overkill? If not, aside from the obvious (the Seacons because F*CK YEAH SEACONS) I'd suggest Gnaw with his shiny chrome teeth and Pretender Submarauder with his creepy Gigeresque shell and horseshoe crab "submarine" mode.

As for BW Rampage, thats very interesting, because I considered him more land, especially with those treads. But yeah, he is water themed, as crabs are (though I associate them more to the shore than outright being in the water, unlike a shark or a boat, but thats just me).

That's fair enough. To the best of my knowledge, crabs (or at least some crabs) do spend a lot of time actually underwater on the sea floor. IIRC Rampage is styled after a king crab, which is definitely an undersea/bottom feeder crab.

(Actually...a TF that turns into a Japanese giant spider crab would be both awesome and terrifying.)

If anyone can name more water themed TFs not covered yet, don't be shy.

I can think of a few, though they're more amphibious than strictly water-based. Beast Wars Basics Snapper...

Beast Wars Fuzors Terragator (who isn't going to win any awards for being a good toy but has an awesome beast mode, which sort of makes up for his atrocious robot mode. A bit.)...

And of course, the Tako Tank!

Here's a few more although they wouldnt make the list:


Transformers Cybertron Shortround Gallery

Ah, poor Shortround. One of the few Transformers to have a fairly convincing toilet mode.

Transformers Beast Machines Hammerstrike Gallery

Hammerstrike! If only his robot mode wasn't so terrible, 'cause that shark mode is great!

BW Razorclaw

I'd love to get this guy one day. He has a really simple transformation that still works well, and the sculpted detailing on his is killer. Gotta love Kenner and their sculpting work.

Transformers Beast Wars Sea Clamp (Gimlet) Gallery

Y'know, speaking of Sea Clamp and Tripredacus in general, I'd love to see a proper update for ol' Trippy (that BotCon abomination doesn't count). 2 of his components are great but Ramhorn kinda sucks (at least from what I've seen). Third parties take note!

Hehe, Cybershark's chest blaster...

Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah, I hear ya. Would a top 5 aquatic G1/G1.5/G2 TF toys be overkill? If not, aside from the obvious (the Seacons because F*CK YEAH SEACONS) I'd suggest Gnaw with his shiny chrome teeth and Pretender Submarauder with his creepy Gigeresque shell and horseshoe crab "submarine" mode.
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Y'know, speaking of Sea Clamp and Tripredacus in general, I'd love to see a proper update for ol' Trippy (that BotCon abomination doesn't count). 2 of his components are great but Ramhorn kinda sucks (at least from what I've seen). Third parties take note!

Submaruader is an amazing design!


Transformers Super God Masterforce Submarauder (Gilmer) Gallery

Just making sure though, thats a shark head he has right? Reminds me of a street shark:


And you can take my word for it, Beast Wars Ramhorn is a terrible toy when he is not a limb. Especially the robot mode. But his transformation into the 2 arms is pretty cool and very well done.

shajaki wrote:Undertow? Never heard of him, but I see why he makes the list
BW Razorclaw! And yeah, Claw Jaw too, love that little weirdo. But WJ, I'm shocked that Legends Skybyte doesn't make your list, even that he's #1. You love that figure! Haters be damned!

He's in the honourable mentions since I do love that toy (Legends Gelshark). I wasnt gonna have 2 sharks on the list ( that gives me an idea for a top 5 sharks list) and I do feel Cybershark is better for how much he accomplishes. He also has better hands

ZeroWolf wrote:That's Revenge of the Fallen Depthcharge. He's a fun toy but his legs aren't the best, I would of preferred if more of the boats hull folded away but I guess that would be too much for scout class.

Yeah, I feel the same about his legs. It's just pieces of the ship in half. Still makes a great alt mode though, hence why I used him for the cover Actually, now that I think of it, his legs remind me of a new Water themed TF that was just released, High Tide:

Andrius wrote:You've overlooked the greatest aqua-bot of them all! Poor Tako Tank -- why must true love always allude you?

Did you know he was initially made by Takara to be a Microman Playset? Thats why he is so different from everything else.

william-james88 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Undertow? Never heard of him, but I see why he makes the list
BW Razorclaw! And yeah, Claw Jaw too, love that little weirdo. But WJ, I'm shocked that Legends Skybyte doesn't make your list, even that he's #1. You love that figure! Haters be damned!

He's in the honourable mentions since I do love that toy (Legends Gelshark). I wasnt gonna have 2 sharks on the list ( that gives me an idea for a top 5 sharks list) and I do feel Cybershark is better for how much he accomplishes. He also has better hands

ZeroWolf wrote:That's Revenge of the Fallen Depthcharge. He's a fun toy but his legs aren't the best, I would of preferred if more of the boats hull folded away but I guess that would be too much for scout class.

Yeah, I feel the same about his legs. It's just pieces of the ship in half. Still makes a great alt mode though, hence why I used him for the cover Actually, now that I think of it, his legs remind me of a new Water themed TF that was just released, High Tide:

Andrius wrote:You've overlooked the greatest aqua-bot of them all! Poor Tako Tank -- why must true love always allude you?

Did you know he was initially made by Takara to be a Microman Playset? Thats why he is so different from everything else.

Other problem I had with depthcharge was I got him the same time as skystalker, so he just paled in comparison I do see a resemblance to the legs of high tide.

Seems to be you only have limited choices with boat hulls and transformations