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Almost completely forgot about that; the Dreamwave Armada comic actually put effort into the Mini-Cons' personalities; even if they were basic. Destruction team certainly deserves a mention.

So I think it's safe to say at this point, the list is entirely worthless because as Kurona pointed out way back ... the comics did everyone better.

Even Wheelie.

Burn wrote:So I think it's safe to say at this point, the list is entirely worthless because as Kurona pointed out way back ... the comics did everyone better.

Even Wheelie.

Not really, because this list now shows which have a greater contrast compared to other comic interpretations. You can say everyone is better, but which charcters really stand out as being so much better? Like doesnt Skids have so much more to offer in the comics than Wheelie does when you compare them to their comic counterparts?

And are you really saying that the best interpretation of any TF character is the one only found in the comics?
Because I disagree. As everyone agreed, Lockdown isnt better in the comics and I would say that neither is Tankor or Rattrap. And I preffer Prime Starscream to any comic version of the character I read. I think I even preffer cartoon G1 Bumblebee, Prowl and Prime over their comic interpretations. And Prime Soundwave over any of his comic interpretations.

william-james88 wrote:

Burn wrote:So I think it's safe to say at this point, the list is entirely worthless because as Kurona pointed out way back ... the comics did everyone better.

Even Wheelie.

Not really, because this list now shows which have a greater contrast compared to other comic interpretations. You can say everyone is better, but which charcters really stand out as being so much better? Like doesnt Skids have so much more to offer in the comics than Wheelie does when you compare them to their comic counterparts?

And are you really saying that the best interpretation of any TF character is the one only found in the comics?
Because I disagree. As everyone agreed, Lockdown isnt better in the comics and I would say that neither is Tankor or Rattrap. And I preffer Prime Starscream to any comic version of the character I read. I think I even preffer cartoon G1 Bumblebee, Prowl and Prime over their comic interpretations. And Prime Soundwave over any of his comic interpretations.

G1 Cartoon Prowl? I can certainly see why you'd like Prime or Bumblebee more, but... cartoon Prowl's greatest achievement is that he existed. He didn't do anything. All the power to you but I find myself very confused.

While I can't speak for Marvel as I haven't seen him in that yet - if he is in it at all - IDW Wheelie is a pretty good character I find. His Spotlight alone made up for every single one of his lines in the cartoon and made me actually like his rhyming gimmick. How do you do that? How do you make me like that? It's genius.

Aaaand personally speaking, while their TFP incarnations are amazing and certainly in the top 3, the IDW incarnations of Starscream and Soundwave just knock them out of the park for me. TAAO has made Starscream one of the best characters in the entire franchise while ex-RiD/OP giving Soundwave a peaceseeking approach makes him much more interesting and relatable as a character than ever before. Hell, Issue 22 Soundwaves alone makes him fantastic.



... just gonna say it here, I prefer IDW Tankor to BM Tankor too.

william-james88 wrote:And are you really saying that the best interpretation of any TF character is the one only found in the comics?

99.9% of them, yes.

Throw all the names you want at me, but trying to win this argument is pointless, because it's not an argument. You have your opinion, I have mine.

The only reason I haven't submitted my own top 5 is because I simply cannot narrow them down. When you grow up reading Marvel UK, it's ingrained in you how well done every character was.

I suppose if I were to pick a character whose cartoon incarnation I preferred - and not cheating with someone who was never featured in the comics - I have to say my favourite version of Shockwave is from Animated. IDW and Marvel are wonderful, but there's something about TFA Shockwave I love so much more. He's so perfectly creepy and threatening and that voice is on point.

Here's another one: Devastator. All he did in the cartoon was smash stuff. In IDW, his personality actually reflects his components.

Kurona wrote:I suppose if I were to pick a character whose cartoon incarnation I preferred - and not cheating with someone who was never featured in the comics - I have to say my favourite version of Shockwave is from Animated. IDW and Marvel are wonderful, but there's something about TFA Shockwave I love so much more. He's so perfectly creepy and threatening and that voice is on point.

I gotta disagree on this. I agree with your assessment of the TFA character but it's not enough to make him better than the Marvel version. As I said before in my opinion that version is the closest to what a Decepticon is.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:I suppose if I were to pick a character whose cartoon incarnation I preferred - and not cheating with someone who was never featured in the comics - I have to say my favourite version of Shockwave is from Animated. IDW and Marvel are wonderful, but there's something about TFA Shockwave I love so much more. He's so perfectly creepy and threatening and that voice is on point.

I gotta disagree on this. I agree with your assessment of the TFA character but it's not enough to make him better than the Marvel version. As I said before in my opinion that version is the closest to what a Decepticon is.

Oh I'm not saying that it's better than the Marvel version; not sure how they'd rank, just that TFA's my favourite

I'll also say I liked TFP Arcee a lot more than IDW Arcee. Though then again I consider IDW Arcee a black spot upon that entire continuity while I find TFP Arcee likeable. Which is enough, really.

Soundwave902 wrote:Here's another one: Devastator. All he did in the cartoon was smash stuff. In IDW, his personality actually reflects his components.

Ooh, good point! I don't think about this one much because the Constructicons themselves aren't particularly focused on or given attention to and the character piece of Devastator is more an extention of Prowl and later Scoop, but... yeah, this is a pretty good point. Devastator - and later Combiners like Menasor and Bruticus - were done better in IDW due to putting thought and effort into what the forced merging of 5 or 6 minds would result in. We unfortunately don't get to see a lot of that in Superion, Predaking and Defensor, though...

Kurona wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:I suppose if I were to pick a character whose cartoon incarnation I preferred - and not cheating with someone who was never featured in the comics - I have to say my favourite version of Shockwave is from Animated. IDW and Marvel are wonderful, but there's something about TFA Shockwave I love so much more. He's so perfectly creepy and threatening and that voice is on point.

I gotta disagree on this. I agree with your assessment of the TFA character but it's not enough to make him better than the Marvel version. As I said before in my opinion that version is the closest to what a Decepticon is.

Oh I'm not saying that it's better than the Marvel version; not sure how they'd rank, just that TFA's my favourite

Ah yes I see now. I misread your previous post. My bad

Marvel Shockwave owns all!

I liked TFP Arcee a lot more than IDW Arcee. Though then again I consider IDW Arcee a black spot upon that entire continuity while I find TFP Arcee likeable. Which is enough, really.

IDW Arcee did leave an impression on me due to the complete 180 her character had from the G1 goody-2-shoes. So I guess TFP Arcee is the middle ground between the two.

And I just thought of another one: Marvel Ratbat.

Star Saber

Kurona wrote:Star Saber

What comic was he in?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:Star Saber

What comic was he in?

The finale of 'season 1' of MTMTE, just before Dark Cybertron. He was infamously changed from his pure good guy roots into a religious extremist villain in that arc, making that incarnation hated quite a bit by a fair few parts of the fandom.

Oh, I should say I kinda disagree with Skids on this list. Not MTMTE Skids because he's excellent and I think he might be one of my favourites; but the Marvel character is... hm.

There's quite a bit I did enjoy about him. His relationship with Charlene was fun, it was nice to see an Autobot retreat from the war even if it was a bit heavy-handed; and his discovery of a lot of Earth's culture was very fun. But then the moral of that story ended up being "don't follow your dreams, you're stuck with your 9-to-5"? And I mean, yeah, there is something to be said about investing too much in your dreams and not realising the reality around you; but that doesn't mean the other extreme is any better; if anything it's far worse. When I was reading the last few pages of it a month or two back I remember just staring at it. Bit pessimistic.

Yes but then Skids ended up stuck in limbo and by the time he re-emerged he was suffering trauma from it. You can't just concentrate on his one story and ignore the later story which really helped further his character.

Burn wrote:Yes but then Skids ended up stuck in limbo and by the time he re-emerged he was suffering trauma from it. You can't just concentrate on his one story and ignore the later story which really helped further his character.

Oh, he had later stories? I haven't got past 124 yet; I figured that since I'm very close to the Headmasters they wouldn't bother with the 1985 toys.

This might be subjective, but Spike Witwicky. In the cartoon, he's pretty much a kid that the Autobots let hang around for no reason. In IDW, he cares about his planet and wants to help it, no matter who stands in his way