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shajaki wrote:

megatronus wrote:Around 13:00, when he's playing with the mini-dude.

sorry, whats at 13:00? i watched from 11:30 to the end and saw the breakage, but did i miss something?

It was just a poor estimate. I should have said it's close to the end.

megatronus wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Maybe he didn't mention it because, when you watch, it was immediately obvious that it broke? He didn't seem to care too much. Either he's a great actor or he just didn't care as much about that.

Although you have convinced me he's too easy on the toys for you guys, it doesn't prove the main thrust of the argument. That all sponsored reviewers are untrustworthy. And it doesn't prove that they're untrustworthy because they've been sponsored either. You have to pick out a few reviews from other reviewers as well.

That's fairly generous of you, especially since it appears he tries to either mask or minimize the appearance of the breakage. I don't think we're trying to prove X's argument for him; this just happens to be an egregious example of blatantly avoiding comment on something negative, and not just anything negative, but on camera breakage.

As we've established, there's no smoking gun short of some kind of bizarre reviewer confessional. But if this turns into a pattern of some sort, you have an argument against Peaugh, possibly. That says nothing about any of the other reviewers out there. It's just sort of annoying that he just... says nothing.

you got it megs. and while i said im jumping on the "F@*% peugh" bandwagon, ill remind everyone its not entirely because of this. i wasnt a big fan of his anyways. he's dry and does zero editing, which reeaaally bugs me. he might do a lot of videos, but if he did half as many and put a some more effort into them then he'd be great.

the moment i "turned against" peaugh, was this:
youtube clip of ark studios legends datsuns - cant seem to embed properly :/
he talks about some very "meh" legends class 3P figures with a rediculously high price tag. i watched the whole video waiting for him to say if they were "worth the money" and he doesnt even mention how much they cost. he pretty much lost me after that.

shajaki wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Maybe he didn't mention it because, when you watch, it was immediately obvious that it broke? He didn't seem to care too much. Either he's a great actor or he just didn't care as much about that.

Although you have convinced me he's too easy on the toys for you guys, it doesn't prove the main thrust of the argument. That all sponsored reviewers are untrustworthy. And it doesn't prove that they're untrustworthy because they've been sponsored either. You have to pick out a few reviews from other reviewers as well.

That's fairly generous of you, especially since it appears he tries to either mask or minimize the appearance of the breakage. I don't think we're trying to prove X's argument for him; this just happens to be an egregious example of blatantly avoiding comment on something negative, and not just anything negative, but on camera breakage.

As we've established, there's no smoking gun short of some kind of bizarre reviewer confessional. But if this turns into a pattern of some sort, you have an argument against Peaugh, possibly. That says nothing about any of the other reviewers out there. It's just sort of annoying that he just... says nothing.

you got it megs. and while i said im jumping on the "F@*% peugh" bandwagon, ill remind everyone its not entirely because of this. i wasnt a big fan of his anyways. he's dry and does zero editing, which reeaaally bugs me. he might do a lot of videos, but if he did half as many and put a some more effort into them then he'd be great.

the moment i "turned against" peaugh, was this:
youtube clip of ark studios legends datsuns - cant seem to embed properly :/
he talks about some very "meh" legends class 3P figures with a rediculously high price tag. i watched the whole video waiting for him to say if they were "worth the money" and he doesnt even mention how much they cost. he pretty much lost me after that.

*shrugs* I suppose I'm a fairly generous guy. I like that there's no editing. It actually lends credibility to him. It's just him filming. He hasn't edited out the break or glued it back together and reshot the video. He shows it break. I could see it. And others noticed it too. It's not something you'd miss. I guess he could point it out more, but he didn't. Its in the video, though. Unedited. I dunno how you can say it's covered; you can clearly see it break. There are smarter ways to hide things. Like, you know, reshooting. Getting an all new toy and reshooting with that. If it was reshot with the piece glues back together or sanded down, you'd never know. If he were interested in just advertising the toy in the best possible light he'd reshoot. He'd reshoot, we'd never know, and you wouldn't accuse him of hiding something.

If you want to say he's not good enough for you, I think that's fair enough. I just don't altogether agree. But I will agree that you shouldn't just use him as your one and only guide.

IMO, you guys are not arguing X's point. X is saying all sponsored reviewers are corrupt and useless. So far all this thread really focuses on is Peaugh. That is not enough. Not by far.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:*shrugs* I suppose I'm a fairly generous guy. I like that there's no editing. It actually lends credibility to him. It's just him filming. He hasn't edited out the break or glued it back together and reshot the video. He shows it break. I could see it. And others noticed it too. It's not something you'd miss. I guess he could point it out more, but he didn't. Its in the video, though. Unedited. I dunno how you can say it's covered; you can clearly see it break. There are smarter ways to hide things. Like, you know, reshooting. Getting an all new toy and reshooting with that. If it was reshot with the piece glues back together or sanded down, you'd never know. If he were interested in just advertising the toy in the best possible light he'd reshoot. He'd reshoot, we'd never know, and you wouldn't accuse him of hiding something.

If you want to say he's not good enough for you, I think that's fair enough. I just don't altogether agree. But I will agree that you shouldn't just use him as your one and only guide.

IMO, you guys are not arguing X's point. X is saying [I]all[/] sponsored reviewers are corrupt and useless. So far all this thread really focuses on is Peaugh. That is not enough. Not by far.

Peaugh is actually the only reviewer I watch consistently. I like that Peaugh doesn't edit his stuff; it makes it straightforward and simple, and that's how I like it. I also find him funny (I guess I just like dry).

I'm not trying to make an overarching accusation. I'm no conspiracy theorist. I just find it annoying he didn't mention or acknowledge the breakage. He did in the comments, but if it happens on camera... you should say something. That's kind of the point of the review...

Meh. Whatever... moving on to other things. Squirrel!

shajaki wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:The guys a joke! I personally have boycotted his reviews, they are worthless in my eyes, and I would advise any newcomers to the hobby to avoid this guys reviews like the plague.

im inclined to jump on the bandwagon. which is a shame since he has such a broad spectrum. but oh well, i wont miss the dryness or total lack of editing thats for sure.

*edit*
by the way, wheres X? i thought he'd have a field day with this.

X been chillin having a beer day...

On Peaugh...

This really doesn't surprise me. Somehow knowing that you didn't pay s**t for the figure you just broke somehow alleviates the pain of the infamous "snap". If he doesn't give a crap about what happened to his own figure, how can you expect him to give a crap about yours. He's not getting a 2nd free Slag, so there's no sense editing it out. He just left the breakage on camera and chose not to say anything that might make TF Source reconsider his sponsorship. That's my opinion. Can anyone prove it ? Nope, unless you can read minds. That's the reason I'm so against them them showing their faces as they talk about the figure. Anyone who knows about facial expressions can tell when someone's being dishonest. I've been warning people about Peaugh for a long time on here...

Also earlier on this thread it was asked why I don't take this argument to Facebook or Youtube and call them out there ? Simple reason...

If any of my suspicions are correct, the reviewers have nothing to gain and everything to lose by even addressing me. I'm nobody to them. I'm not worth the risk of creating negative publicity on their bread and butter sites. I want to create awareness among the fandom about my suspicions. The fandom is right here so there's no need for me to take these suspicions elsewhere. For those of you who rely on the credibility of sponsored reviewers to make a purchase, I just want you to realize that these guys aren't your friends. They're trying to sell you something, and they may be putting on an act to do so. We know they get free toys, and some suggest the possibility of money or discounts. Either way, all of those things create a serious conflict of interest.

Happy beer day X!

Did you watch the Cubra review? Even by Peaughs standards it's bad, can't belive some are still defending him!

leakin' lubricant wrote:Happy beer day X!

Did you watch the Cubra review? Even by Peaughs standards it's bad, can't belive some are still defending him!

Ariel Brennan raised the same issue about the broken handle. Nope he did not respond to it. Same with another poster raising the issue, he did not answer it at all (check it out in youtube and his responses.)

fenrir72 wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:Happy beer day X!

Did you watch the Cubra review? Even by Peaughs standards it's bad, can't belive some are still defending him!

Ariel Brennan raised the same issue about the broken handle. Nope he did not respond to it. Same with another poster raising the issue, he did not answer it at all (check it out in youtube and his responses.)

I'll take a look at that, thanks.

Think,This recent Peaugh video changes nothing here. Guessing those who like Peaugh will still continue to watch his videos. speculating those who dislike Peaugh will still watch his videos but complain afterwards.

The consensus that I gather here on this forum and on other forums. Peaugh is well liked due to him being the least annoying, least loudest. Voice that is pleasing to the ears. the format he uses to transform the toys, describe articulation, shows off gimmicks, comparisons. Persona that is mild, not conceited. Makes some jokes but doesn't get carried away.

Think a smoking gun is only effective if it makes the supporters into haters or vice versa. Don't think this has happened here.

This smoking gun might as well be made out of tissue paper. As it will be quickly forgotten and won't even put a dent in Peaugh's online video reviewers reputation.

The big positive I can grab from this thread. Other threads are enjoying peaceful replies.

So please guys keep this thread going as long as you can.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think,This recent Peaugh video changes nothing here. Guessing those who like Peaugh will still continue to watch his videos. speculating those who dislike Peaugh will still watch his videos but complain afterwards.

The consensus that I gather here on this forum and on other forums. Peaugh is well liked due to him being the least annoying, least loudest. Voice that is pleasing to the ears. the format he uses to transform the toys, describe articulation, shows off gimmicks, comparisons. Persona that is mild, not conceited. Makes some jokes but doesn't get carried away.

Think a smoking gun is only effective if it makes the supporters into haters or vice versa. Don't think this has happened here.

This smoking gun might as well be made out of tissue paper. As it will be quickly forgotten and won't even put a dent in Peaugh's online video reviewers reputation.

If anything.......no blind or blanket loyalty to ANY particular individual. Use your discretion when chosing any product.

An........it's good this thread has performed a public service.

Not to be defending Peaugh, but did anyone bother to read the comments below the video? He does acknowledge the break per another users post and I quote -

"Yeah, I just got some pliers and pulled it out, still holds just fine. trimmed the other handle to be even. It was weird though, it had only been in there for about 20 minutes and it was like the paint had somehow fused inside the hand hole."

I can't say I understand why he didn't comment on it in the video, but he does acknowledge it . . .

On topic, I personally believe anyone sponsored by -anyone- is definitely confined in some way as far as what they can and can't say. It's just standard practice. That's why it's always fair to take things with a grain of salt and focus not so much on the words said, but the content presented in the video.

NOS wrote:On topic, I personally believe anyone sponsored by -anyone- is definitely confined in some way as far as what they can and can't say. It's just standard practice. That's why it's always fair to take things with a grain of salt and focus not so much on the words said, but the content presented in the video.

You likely won't hear him say "TFSource really sucks", but I don't think he's confined in what he says about toys. He really didn't seem impressed with the Crazy Devy wings.

As for others being surprised he still has supporters .... well, in general it just follows form. People who want more emphasis on faults are deepened in not liking him and people who just see it break think he's shown it and that's that. *shruggs* It's perception. Like or dislike you tend to see what you want - and that goes for me as well.

But I definitely wouldn't just get one guy's opinion on something. Not even if I like him. I may be defending Peaugh here, but if I were on the fence about something I wouldn't rely on just him.

As a guy defending him here, I don't really want him to overly gush or overly bash a figure. To be honest, I really just want the facts, not the emotion.

fenrir72 wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:Happy beer day X!

Did you watch the Cubra review? Even by Peaughs standards it's bad, can't belive some are still defending him!

Ariel Brennan raised the same issue about the broken handle. Nope he did not respond to it. Same with another poster raising the issue, he did not answer it at all (check it out in youtube and his responses.)

Haha that's me!!

A couple other folks got responses, but those comments were more "I saw it broke, that sucks!" and less "Why didn't you mention it in the video?" Also, the other comments were posted a few days ago, so he might just not monitor comments that closely for a given video after a day or two.

Gauntlet101010 wrote: As for others being surprised he still has supporters ....

I'm not surprised. Peaugh has been doing this for years and has over hundreds-thousands of followers and videos.

Lets not all forget why Import sites and companies picked Peaugh to promote their toys. It's because Peaugh is a normal guy with a huge following. He is not a troll that most hate, he is well liked, acts his age and doesn't try to ruin stuff and cause choas wherever he goes.

Having hundreds-thousands of video reviews on a account means the few that are terrible or found deceptive get buried quickly and easily get forgotten under the pile.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:well, in general it just follows form. People who want more emphasis on faults are deepened in not liking him and people who just see it break think he's shown it and that's that. *shruggs* It's perception. Like or dislike you tend to see what you want - and that goes for me as well.

Similar examples happen when being devoted to certain elected officials.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:But I definitely wouldn't just get one guy's opinion on something. Not even if I like him. I may be defending Peaugh here, but if I were on the fence about something I wouldn't rely on just him.

Nor I, I usually watch over 10 different video reviews before deciding to buy or not.

Most of my Peaugh praise here was me joking around. with all my blatant over the top sarcastic praise-humor. Most knew I was joking from the start, some didn't.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:As a guy defending him here, I don't really want him to overly gush or overly bash a figure. To be honest, I really just want the facts, not the emotion.

Don't think anyone here, maybe one or a few, Watch these videos to get told to buy or not. Most just watch the videos to see the toy move around in live video. watch the transformation, check out the articulation, see the toy scale, gimmicks and so on.

As far as Emotion goes, I don't need to see some video reviewer going nuts, start cursing, breaking stuff, kicking walls in, throwing temper tantrums and crying on video. Think acting out this way makes some think your mentally challenged, crazy, on medication, drugs or alcohol.

I prefer these TF Video reviewers guys to have mild personalities, respectful, act their age, not be loud, be as detailed possible when describing the toy. show of the transformation, scale, gimmicks, articulation and so on.

Tsutsukakushi wrote: Don't think anyone here, maybe one or a few, Watch these videos to get told to buy or not. Most just watch the videos to see the toy move around in live video. watch the transformation, check out the articulation, see the toy scale, gimmicks and so on.

I've seen a few posts say "I want him to say right out not to buy this."

megatronus wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:Happy beer day X!

Did you watch the Cubra review? Even by Peaughs standards it's bad, can't belive some are still defending him!

Ariel Brennan raised the same issue about the broken handle. Nope he did not respond to it. Same with another poster raising the issue, he did not answer it at all (check it out in youtube and his responses.)

Haha that's me!!

A couple other folks got responses, but those comments were more "I saw it broke, that sucks!" and less "Why didn't you mention it in the video?" Also, the other comments were posted a few days ago, so he might just not monitor comments that closely for a given video after a day or two.

Congrats to all of those here that contacted the video reviewer and asked him questions. that is the only way to get results for this problem, if it exist.

Even if they got no response or a response they didn't agree with, As least they were bold enough to try. Which shows courage and a attempt to get answers.

As said repeated times in this thread. there are no results received by complaining in threads.

Need I say the obvious that everyone here knows. Peaugh, Does not post or read replies here. So bashing and complaining about him here. Will not get Peaugh to change, As the man does not post or visit here.

He visits TFW, I believe.

Rated X wrote:Also earlier on this thread it was asked why I don't take this argument to Facebook or Youtube and call them out there ? Simple reason...

If any of my suspicions are correct, the reviewers have nothing to gain and everything to lose by even addressing me. I'm nobody to them. I'm not worth the risk of creating negative publicity on their bread and butter sites.

how does the saying go? the worst thing a hero can do is never try?
if thats not a saying, i just made it. i hate to have to call you out, but X, thats a pretty lame excuse. "im not doing it cause i dont think it will matter"? hell, three other members (including me) have posted on that video of his asking WTF, to which he didnt reply.

but at least we can say we tried. you, being the most vocal about these "shills", not trying, thats just lazy. you have no issues spouting your sermon to us, but cant be bothered to say it to them? sack up man.

shajaki wrote:

Rated X wrote:Also earlier on this thread it was asked why I don't take this argument to Facebook or Youtube and call them out there ? Simple reason...

If any of my suspicions are correct, the reviewers have nothing to gain and everything to lose by even addressing me. I'm nobody to them. I'm not worth the risk of creating negative publicity on their bread and butter sites.

how does the saying go? the worst thing a hero can do is never try?
if thats not a saying, i just made it. i hate to have to call you out, but X, thats a pretty lame excuse. "im not doing it cause i dont think it will matter"? hell, three other members (including me) have posted on that video of his asking WTF, to which he didnt reply.

but at least we can say we tried. you, being the most vocal about these "shills", not trying, thats just lazy. you have no issues spouting your sermon to us, but cant be bothered to say it to them? sack up man.

You forgot to quote the part of my response where I clearly state that im doing this to promote fandom awareness about my suspicions. The fandom is right here on the fan site. So now that this thread is getting plenty of contributors even when Im not online, my job is done. All I did is let the cat out the bag. Now everyone seems to be picking up on these anomalies and posting them here. People are weighing in on smoking guns they found on their own. So my goal of performing fandom awareness has been fulfilled. Ill keep on posting here because I owe it to both the supporters and naysayers alike. But if I went off the grid tomorrow, this thread would do just fine without me. The guy who started this thread only created it to stop other threads from being derailed off topic, but now even he has become an active participant in this topic. I knew this was going to be a hot potato because Im asking people to look at things some would rather we turn a blind eye towards. Feathers are going to be ruffled. These reviewers gave up their right to be anonymous when they chose to become public mouthpieces and get free toys to do so. Everything said on this thread comes with the turf.

For the record, I dont even have a YouTube account, let alone a video camera to warrent having one. Im not going to create an account just to post comments on youtube. Its a video posting site, not a comment posting site. Comments are what this site is for, so Im at home right here. Maybe this will trickle over to TFW2005, but seibertron.com is my media outlet of choice.

but everyones asking you to back up your claims, which at this point almost seems like youre actively trying to avoid, and make excuses. making a youtube account is about as hard as making a seibertron account by the way.

youre all talk, no action. at this point you probably should just bow out, cause you sure aint doin anything else to contribute.

If I may make a suggestion here, Peaugh's been doing this for a long time and has probably broken quite a few figures/parts in his lifetime (as we all have, regardless of how careful we are)- I get the impression from the bit where the axe broke that he was thinking "Sh*t, I broke it, I should have been more careful"- whther he was right or wrong to do so, I get the impression he assumed it was his fault for breaking the toy and thus he didn't think it was fair to hold it against it. I would agree he probably should have drawn more attention to the breakage but I'd attribute that less to "He's a shill!!!111!!one!!" and more to him just being quite a leniant person, which he's fairly upfront about. I think if he'd been actively shilling it he'd have edited it out or tried to hide the fact it broke.

So yeah, he could have handled that a bit better but I wouldn't call it outright shilling so much as simple naivety/over-generosity on his part. He's addressed the issue in the comments and he hasn't been ridiculously defensive when people have mentioned it either, so at the very least he's not trying to pretend the issue isn't there at all.

Way way back I already noticed some discrepancies with a particular reviewer being mentioned. Posted them even in his youtube post and got no response.

And X, why didn't you start this type thread in the first place?

And yup. Though you must (?) have meant some altruistic motives but a lot of your posts did DERAIL the lot of the threads here and abouts. Should have been you who "started the fire"

shajaki wrote:but everyones asking you to back up your claims, which at this point almost seems like youre actively trying to avoid, and make excuses. making a youtube account is about as hard as making a seibertron account by the way.

youre all talk, no action. at this point you probably should just bow out, cause you sure aint doin anything else to contribute.

I think youre missing the entire point. I dont make videos so why would I create an account on a video posting site ?

Im not here for the reviewers, im here for the fandom. Thats why im posting on a fan site...duh

As we have already seen, there are plenty of seibertronians who are active on youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. If this thread gives them the inspiration to take the fight to the reviewers elsewhere, I applaud them.

You keep saying Im all talk. Well thats exactly what people come to a fan site to do. I came to "talk" about my suspicions. If my "talk" helps generate a new additude about sponsored reviewers, then its the fandom speaking on its own, not me. Like I said earlier, all I did was let the cat out the bag. Im not the martyr you want me to be.

Rated X wrote:

shajaki wrote:but everyones asking you to back up your claims, which at this point almost seems like youre actively trying to avoid, and make excuses. making a youtube account is about as hard as making a seibertron account by the way.

youre all talk, no action. at this point you probably should just bow out, cause you sure aint doin anything else to contribute.

I think youre missing the entire point. I dont make videos so why would I create an account on a video posting site ?

Im not here for the reviewers, im here for the fandom. Thats why im posting on a fan site...duh

As we have already seen, there are plenty of seibertronians who are active on youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. If this thread gives them the inspiration to take the fight to the reviewers elsewhere, I applaud them.

You keep saying Im all talk. Well thats exactly what people come to a fan site to do. I came to "talk" about my suspicions. If my "talk" helps generate a new additude about sponsored reviewers, then its the fandom speaking on its own, not me. Like I said earlier, all I did was let the cat out the bag. Im not the martyr you want me to be.

I would say people come to this site (1) for information/news and (2) for community. And neither are just about talking. It's about making something.

Right now, you're just a guy with a suspicion. You could actively convert that suspicion into a cause or even a well-grounded theory, but you're not. You're just talking.

If this really matters to you, if you're really trying to do some sort of good for the people here through spreading information and contributing to the community, talking isn't enough.