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Rated X wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Ok, let's just get something out of the way:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sponsor?s=tsa person, firm, organization, etc., that finances and buys the time to broadcast a radio or television program so as to advertise a product, a political party, etc.
So, right away we've already established that sponsorship, by very definition, means he's being paid to advertise BBTS. Likely with, you know, money (and not just free toys). BBTS is buying that spot you see before his review. That is the definition of sponsorship. That spot at the beginning? That's what BBTS is buying.
I don't really care about intuition and paranoia. You've essentially concocted fanfiction and I'm not here to talk about fanfics involving the secret conspiracies behind TF reviews. I don't care if BBTS sent him every single toy he's ever reviewed for free - it's irrelevant. What we're talking about is whether he's lying about a product's quality. Show me reviews that demonstrate that his reviews are full of ****. So far you've linked to one you think shows that.
One.
One review by one guy. I'm still waiting for more.
We don't know if any of them are getting money to do this. We only know they are getting free toys.
You are being over dramatic by adding words like "paranoia" and "conspiracies". Obviously your one of those guys that only sees things in black and white. You want a signed confession lol. They're not going to admit it on camera if they are biased. It all boils down to opinions on figures that are known pieces of ****. I cant accuse these guys of over-glorifying figures that I also love. That alone knocks out 80% of the 3rd party figures in my collection. Ill try to focus my attention on reviews of figures from companies that are known to have a bad rap.
Ive shown you that the motive is there. That doesn't mean they are being biased, it simply means if they were, they have probable cause to justify it. I take it you really have faith in these reviewers which naturally makes you pessimistic about my beliefs. It's just not in your nature to ask "what if?"
The world is full of "what if's" that have probable cause but no definitive black and white answer because people choose to stay silent...
What if OJ did it ?
What if Michael Jackson really was a pedophile ?
What if Saddam did have WMD in his possession ?
There's only so much proof you can obtain when the truth is hidden in someone's mind rather than in a physical form. That's when intuitions and the logic behind them start coming into play. I've offered plenty of motive to justify the possibility if it did indeed exist. Do you care to offer any motive the reviewers might have to maintain 100% integrity? Other than "innocent until proven guilty" you have even less evidence than me to back up your counter-argument. At least I've established a motive. All you've established is you trust their integrity.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Rated X wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Ok, let's just get something out of the way:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sponsor?s=tsa person, firm, organization, etc., that finances and buys the time to broadcast a radio or television program so as to advertise a product, a political party, etc.
So, right away we've already established that sponsorship, by very definition, means he's being paid to advertise BBTS. Likely with, you know, money (and not just free toys). BBTS is buying that spot you see before his review. That is the definition of sponsorship. That spot at the beginning? That's what BBTS is buying.
I don't really care about intuition and paranoia. You've essentially concocted fanfiction and I'm not here to talk about fanfics involving the secret conspiracies behind TF reviews. I don't care if BBTS sent him every single toy he's ever reviewed for free - it's irrelevant. What we're talking about is whether he's lying about a product's quality. Show me reviews that demonstrate that his reviews are full of ****. So far you've linked to one you think shows that.
One.
One review by one guy. I'm still waiting for more.
We don't know if any of them are getting money to do this. We only know they are getting free toys.
You are being over dramatic by adding words like "paranoia" and "conspiracies". Obviously your one of those guys that only sees things in black and white. You want a signed confession lol. They're not going to admit it on camera if they are biased. It all boils down to opinions on figures that are known pieces of ****. I cant accuse these guys of over-glorifying figures that I also love. That alone knocks out 80% of the 3rd party figures in my collection. Ill try to focus my attention on reviews of figures from companies that are known to have a bad rap.
Ive shown you that the motive is there. That doesn't mean they are being biased, it simply means if they were, they have probable cause to justify it. I take it you really have faith in these reviewers which naturally makes you pessimistic about my beliefs. It's just not in your nature to ask "what if?"
The world is full of "what if's" that have probable cause but no definitive black and white answer because people choose to stay silent...
What if OJ did it ?
What if Michael Jackson really was a pedophile ?
What if Saddam did have WMD in his possession ?
There's only so much proof you can obtain when the truth is hidden in someone's mind rather than in a physical form. That's when intuitions and the logic behind them start coming into play. I've offered plenty of motive to justify the possibility if it did indeed exist. Do you care to offer any motive the reviewers might have to maintain 100% integrity? Other than "innocent until proven guilty" you have even less evidence than me to back up your counter-argument. At least I've established a motive. All you've established is you trust their integrity.
I'm a guy who likes proof over "intuition". If sponsored reviews are biased; if Optobotimus is just shilling for products it should be easy to prove. The fact that you've only posted one review tells me that either you can't be bothered to search for more or that you can't find any outside of the one. And if you can't find any unreliable reviews, well, ... your arguing for nothing.
Being sponsored means he's getting paid. That's the literal definition. If you're arguing he's getting paid, well, he is. It's not hidden or a secret. What matters is the bottom line: if he's reliable. So far the only answer you're giving is "yes" with a healthy dose of "but I don't like that he's being paid and I don't trust him as a person."
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just to get it out in the open - I dislike it when reviewers show themselves. They are not why I'm tuning in. I'm tuning in for the Transformer. I'm not here for gags, a story, a gimmick, or "humor", just the figure.
http://youtu.be/E8-bwivGP50 - Here's a dud.
http://youtu.be/gJE08q3ILlQ - Here's another dud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O87ikvevhSM - Another dud.
I'm not even really trying.
Yeah, so ... right now I just think you dislike Optibotimus' style and are just finding reasons to dislike him. Maybe he goes too easy on figures, but I don't see corruption at work here.
So, who's next? Who else is so terribly corrupt that sponsorship is ruining the system?
Rated X wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just to get it out in the open - I dislike it when reviewers show themselves. They are not why I'm tuning in. I'm tuning in for the Transformer. I'm not here for gags, a story, a gimmick, or "humor", just the figure.
http://youtu.be/E8-bwivGP50 - Here's a dud.
http://youtu.be/gJE08q3ILlQ - Here's another dud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O87ikvevhSM - Another dud.
I'm not even really trying.
Yeah, so ... right now I just think you dislike Optibotimus' style and are just finding reasons to dislike him. Maybe he goes too easy on figures, but I don't see corruption at work here.
So, who's next? Who else is so terribly corrupt that sponsorship is ruining the system?
Well I love Scoop so I really cant comment his lack of enthusiasm in that review. As it was said earlier, different strokes for different folks. And yes the mini-con assault team really does suck, I agree. I might focus on that figure to see if other reviewers attempt to glorify it.
But what you actually found is fine examples of sugarcoating. When I said a "dud" I meant a review where the reviewer almost bends over backwards to diss the figure. I not talking about just having a "meh" attitude or making a few pot jokes about the character's relevance and need for a figure. I'm looking for them to basically say "You don't need this figure in your collection". I really didn't see that in your examples. I just saw a big pile of "meh".
Rated X wrote:You do know every review that I review is ten minutes of my life Ill never get back...![]()
Moving on to the god of Transformers himself...the almighty Peaugh
I actually found him to be a bit tougher on figures to the point where I felt he was speaking as a fan rather than on behalf of TF Source.
But after scouring through his youtube channel I found this:
He admits his friend in California found them in a store and sent them to him. He said they cost 3 bucks each in the store. But that didn't stop him from adding a TF Source plug to the video even though they were not free samples. Now if that isn't a "company guy" than what is ?
On a side note, was this review even necessary ? He has several reviews for rescue bots and other kiddie stuff. How many parents buy their toddlers 3 dollar toys from TF Source and are in need of a review to make a decision ? This is pure overkill.
Then I scrolled down further through his uploads and found this...
Why does this video even exist ? Fine I admit this video has no TF Source plug. But it is proof that Peaugh will review any piece of crap he can get his hands on for free. That doesn't say much for someone people claim is providing a service to the fandom. This guy would try to sell ice cubes to eskimos.
Remember when I said in the KFC Transistor thread that the reviewer community is becoming a circus ? These videos are a perfect example.
And for the record, I'm not stating that these particular videos show Peaugh as being untrustworthy or biased. They just set the tone for an opinion I wouldn't even bother to even listen to.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Gauntlet101010 wrote:If I were a reviewer I'd review a KO without a companion piece. Something you can't afford it,.
But I'd make a pretty poor reviewer. I'm pretty easy on figures and my thoughts don't run much deeper than "it's good. I like it."
fenrir72 wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:If I were a reviewer I'd review a KO without a companion piece. Something you can't afford it,.
But I'd make a pretty poor reviewer. I'm pretty easy on figures and my thoughts don't run much deeper than "it's good. I like it."
That's my point Gauntlet as a given I'm sure the reviewer would have had connections in the collector TF community to maybe borrow a sample?
That being said, maybe I'm a bit OCD, if I've risen to the point of being an uber reviewer like those guys we have had discussions on, it would have gone further to help collectors avoid getting shafted with those KOs. I'd buy a KO so long as I know it's one. Not the other way around.
The hobby is expensive as it is, kind of a pain that your hard earned cash is wasted on a KO.
megatronus wrote:This is a very silly argument. But that's kind of why I like it.![]()
I doubt reviewers routinely get "free" figures from sponsors as compensation. When peaugh receives those "unexpected" figures or sets in the mail, it is often implied that they came directly from the manufacturer. He just seems to have built some good relationships with the 3Ps. I'd be hard pressed to find the exact videos, but Optibotimus has said in a few of his reviews that he pays for his figures.
I'm inclined to think that these guys get compensated in a way that is proportional to the traffic they drive to their respective sponsor sites. That could be a small discount at the sponsor's store, or payment per click of the sponsor's link in the video description.
X, the term you're looking for here is conflict of interest. You think that payments, in whatever form they're made, are causing a conflict of interest when reviewers give, in your opinion, an unrealistically rosy view of certain products so that the sponsorship, and payments continue.
That's a mindset you probably cannot prove.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Rated X wrote:You do know every review that I review is ten minutes of my life Ill never get back...![]()
Moving on to the god of Transformers himself...the almighty Peaugh
I actually found him to be a bit tougher on figures to the point where I felt he was speaking as a fan rather than on behalf of TF Source.
But after scouring through his youtube channel I found this:
He admits his friend in California found them in a store and sent them to him. He said they cost 3 bucks each in the store. But that didn't stop him from adding a TF Source plug to the video even though they were not free samples. Now if that isn't a "company guy" than what is ?
On a side note, was this review even necessary ? He has several reviews for rescue bots and other kiddie stuff. How many parents buy their toddlers 3 dollar toys from TF Source and are in need of a review to make a decision ? This is pure overkill.
Then I scrolled down further through his uploads and found this...
Why does this video even exist ? Fine I admit this video has no TF Source plug. But it is proof that Peaugh will review any piece of crap he can get his hands on for free. That doesn't say much for someone people claim is providing a service to the fandom. This guy would try to sell ice cubes to eskimos.
Remember when I said in the KFC Transistor thread that the reviewer community is becoming a circus ? These videos are a perfect example.
And for the record, I'm not stating that these particular videos show Peaugh as being untrustworthy or biased. They just set the tone for an opinion I wouldn't even bother to even listen to.
Geez, who made you the god of Transformers reviews, deciding who should post what on their own channel?
Like I said BBTS / TFSource / whoever is buying advertising space at the beginning of his reviews and a link. That doesn't mean he gets that toy for free. That means he, more than likely, gets money. That's what sponsorship is. Being paid to post advertising. It's not "review the toys we give you" (although he most likely will because he's into reviews).
Why can't he just upload what he wants to? He's not a corporation. He's a guy with a popular channel who got lucky. By posting these two videos you're just showing that he can post what he likes and not necessarily any free thing he's given. If just accepting money for advertising makes you a "company man" then your criteria for that is very low. That's like saying the owner of a builder works for Lexus because they post an ad on a billboard on top of his building. Or that a site works for Google because they use Google's adsense on their site.
And that still doesn't prove he's lying to shill product. You still haven't proven that his reviews aren't trustworthy.
So far we have:
- Optibotomus just being too easy on TF for your liking and
- Preaugh posting two reviews of toys he wasn't given for free (thusly demonstrating that he doesn't just review things he's given).
So far I am less than impressed with the body of evidence presented here. Who else is there to discuss?
Rated X wrote:You do know every review that I review is ten minutes of my life Ill never get back...![]()
Moving on to the god of Transformers himself...the almighty Peaugh
I actually found him to be a bit tougher on figures to the point where I felt he was speaking as a fan rather than on behalf of TF Source.
But after scouring through his youtube channel I found this:
He admits his friend in California found them in a store and sent them to him. He said they cost 3 bucks each in the store. But that didn't stop him from adding a TF Source plug to the video even though they were not free samples. Now if that isn't a "company guy" than what is ?
On a side note, was this review even necessary ? He has several reviews for rescue bots and other kiddie stuff. How many parents buy their toddlers 3 dollar toys from TF Source and are in need of a review to make a decision ? This is pure overkill.
Then I scrolled down further through his uploads and found this...
Why does this video even exist ? Fine I admit this video has no TF Source plug. But it is proof that Peaugh will review any piece of crap he can get his hands on for free. That doesn't say much for someone people claim is providing a service to the fandom. This guy would try to sell ice cubes to eskimos.
Remember when I said in the KFC Transistor thread that the reviewer community is becoming a circus ? These videos are a perfect example.
And for the record, I'm not stating that these particular videos show Peaugh as being untrustworthy or biased. They just set the tone for an opinion I wouldn't even bother to even listen to.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Well, at least you have a video to support your assertion.
Not sure if it's the best example. He does gloss over the problem ... in a figure widely loved and praised. Still, at least it's something to support the assertion that he, at least, goes easy on problems.
Of course that's just one video from him.
leakin' lubricant wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Well, at least you have a video to support your assertion.
Not sure if it's the best example. He does gloss over the problem ... in a figure widely loved and praised. Still, at least it's something to support the assertion that he, at least, goes easy on problems.
Of course that's just one video from him.
It is just one video but it's kind of representative of his style, problems are generally ignored. Whereas optibotimus devotes quite bit of attention to problems, even in the Kronos review, he shows obvious flaws and in good detail.
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