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Like I said before I will maintain not picking up Shocky until I see what Takara has to offer. The waiting may go something like this... .

Definitely some shrinkage from WfC, though I think Shockwave may be roughly the same height.

Haaa. Yeah, I'd buy some loose too, but I'm sure the general kid audience never would.

I'm mostly just responding to how BIG the art is on the card... instead of a far off robot, we have a right-up-in-your-face robot. Very nice. Heh.

from what ive read here these guys are almost scout size but are being sold for $15, please for the love of god boycott this line this madness has to end. Just remember if no one buys em they will go on clearance and be a realistic price.

Yikes. Well, at least it allows Megatron to look impressive next tot he rest of them.

Agreed. Placing the cars next to Megs will look nice and kinda in scale.

(heh. Scale!? what's that!?)

To spin it in a positive aspect, if you have the WFC figures, Megatron and Optimus will be in scale with Jazz and Sideswipe. Possibly even the seekers. Magnus and Shockwave will be smaller than Bumblebee and Cliffjumper

Either those are huge bubbles and cards or these are puny deluxes...

Knowing there is a Voyager Soundwave coming, I'm hoping to goodness they rectify things with some larger leader and seeker bots. Else, it's going to be an odd shelf...

Soundwave dwarfing everyone, and Bumblebee being bigger than Shockwave, Jazz, and Sideswipe.

Surely someone at Hasbro is thinking about this stuff and losing sleep trying to make it right.

You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

korisifu wrote:To spin it in a positive aspect, if you have the WFC figures, Megatron and Optimus will be in scale with Jazz and Sideswipe. Possibly even the seekers. Magnus and Shockwave will be smaller than Bumblebee and Cliffjumper

Magnus and Shockwave smaller than Bumblebee and Cliffjumper...
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The positive doesn't help much

maybe they'll put out a new Bumblebee a bit smaller.

okay, thinking about the last 5 years.... I'm relatively SURE they'll put out another Bumblebee with this line. LOL. (remembers the last 5 toy lines in a wash of yellow and black)

gothsaurus wrote:Soundwave dwarfing everyone

He can't be THAT big. With Voyagers being smaller than old Voyagers combined with him having almost Minicon-sized pack-ins, he's probably just gonna be a bulky WFC Soundwave.

Plus, he don't look that big, IMO.

gothsaurus wrote:maybe they'll put out a new Bumblebee a bit smaller.

I'm personally hoping for a Scout-class 'Bee.

They'll have Voyagers and Legions, so why not?

gothsaurus wrote:maybe they'll put out a new Bumblebee a bit smaller.

Give some time and deluxes will be in scale with the Worlds Smallest Transformers LOL

But they will offer an ultra class transformer magnifying glass =P

Yeah, Scout class would be perfect. Cripes. They could put out the whole line of minibots as Cybertron mode and I'd snatch them up like they were... I dunno... minicons or something.

Erailea wrote:You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

Nah, Megs is about on scale with the other Generations figures. He came out during ROTF, before the downsizing. He is quite a bit bulkier than the Classics Seeker mold.

Still... I don't want Soundwave to be the proverbial Bulkhead on my FOC shelf. I'd like to have a voyager size....

Prime
Megatron
Grimlock (oh yeah)
Seekers (taking into account the wingspan, these would be slightly smaller and just right in the lineup)
Shockwave

So point being, if Hasbro put these out as well... I'd buy them too.

Wow, super excited for the Fall of Cybertron line. Like everyone else, I’ll be using these to supplement my War for Cybertron/Generations collection. I have the Cybetronian versions of Optimus, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Megatron, and Soundwave from that line, and the new FoC stuff will fit perfectly. In fact, I am planning on not buying any of the FOC characters I already have from the WFC line. (Who am I kidding, of course I'll buy them.)

A fellow collector pre-ordered an assortment with Optimus, Shockwave, and Jazz, and I bought his Jazz- can't wait!

You know, if they'd make the card back just big enough to stick the bubble onto and get rid of some of the void space int the package they could cut $4 off each figure, ship more to a case, and put more figures on more pegs. If they are going to reduce the size of the figure, reduce the size of the packaging to save costs too. I'd buy everyone of these without hesitation or a grimace on my face if they came in as minimalist of a package as possible and at a $10-$11 dollar price point.

As it is, if it comes to a decision between these and a handful of Bot Shots or a Prime figure at a lower price point, I'm not choosing the FOC figure.

This all sounds great (to us collectors).... but bottom line to a successful corporation is making money. If they can't grab the kids attention with a GIANT visual (whether a big package OR a big card backer) then they lose out to other toys on the shelves.

SOOOooooo those cards aren't going away any time soon.

I'd still love to see them switching to a resealable version like the Japanese ones. That's still a feasible possibility.

Lord Onixprime wrote:If they are going to reduce the size of the figure, reduce the size of the packaging to save costs too. I'd buy everyone of these without hesitation or a grimace on my face if they came in as minimalist of a package as possible and at a $10-$11 dollar price point.

Totally agree. Shrink the package, bring back the old deluxe size and I will even gladly pay more than $10-$11...

We all had the same discussion at the con regarding the awkwardly huge Mech Tech weapons. They're downsizing the toys to include an awkward, clunky brick of a weapon with the figure. We're all pretty much in agreement that they're wicked-useless and out of proportion... but they boost sales to Hasbro's main demographic of little kids.

We're going to be stuck with smaller figures and bigger packaging... and BAM-ZOWIE-KABLAM mech-tech gimmicks for the long haul through the recession.

gothsaurus wrote:This all sounds great (to us collectors).... but bottom line to a successful corporation is making money. If they can't grab the kids attention with a GIANT visual (whether a big package OR a big card backer) then they lose out to other toys on the shelves.

SOOOooooo those cards aren't going away any time soon.

I'd still love to see them switching to a resealable version like the Japanese ones. That's still a feasible possibility.

We had tiny boxes for our deluxe(and larger) equivalents in the G1 days and we made due.

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Erailea wrote:You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

Nah, Megs is about on scale with the other Generations figures. He came out during ROTF, before the downsizing. He is quite a bit bulkier than the Classics Seeker mold.

I seems to have said that oddly... What I was asking was in the Fall of Cybertron figures are on the the same size ratio as the PRID figures. Because aren't the PRID figures smaller than those lines that came out before them?

Erailea wrote:

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Erailea wrote:You know, wasn't WFC Megs on the same scale DOTM deluxes? So does that make these smaller FOC deluxes the same size as the Prime figures? Because, if I remember right, Prime figs are smaller than normal too (I'm not home right now and I'm drawing a blank of sizes. I just remember the complaints when the the line first started appearing)

Nah, Megs is about on scale with the other Generations figures. He came out during ROTF, before the downsizing. He is quite a bit bulkier than the Classics Seeker mold.

I seems to have said that oddly... What I was asking was in the Fall of Cybertron figures are on the the same size ratio as the PRID figures. Because aren't the PRID figures smaller than those lines that came out before them?

Comparing TFP Wheeljack to Generations Wheeljack... the TFP version is a tad taller, but a heck of a lot scrawnier. And there's a huge size difference in car mode.

Yeah, there's a noticeable difference. Though on the other hand, RiD had small deluxes(Car brothers, Build Team, etc). As did Beast Wars. Maybe we're just spoiled by the A/E/C toy sizes.