Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby Black Hat » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:08 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I've always said, I don't think gender should exist among Giant Alien Robots, especially oversexualized designs. Yet whenever I hear people vehemently champion Fembots, this is the type of thing I assume they want. The same people that gave MP Blackarachnia's shockingly mediocre Beast Mode a pass because the Bot Mode Robo Boobs looked good.

Speaking as someone who thinks MP Blackarachnia looks great (though I still need to get her...) I forgave the somewhat questionable spider mode because her show transformation is utterly impossible, and the fact it even resembles a spider at all with a robot mode that accurate, good looking, poseable and kibble free is astonishing. And also because Blackarachnia is one of my favourite Transformers characters ever.

Honestly, I really don't think this Arcee, for all its flaws, is majorly oversexualized. 100% accurate? No, but then that's impossible with a transforming Arcee. Takes a few creative liberties? Yes, but with the exception of the chest I think they're mostly improvements to the show model.
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:18 am

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Sabrblade wrote:The new Masterpiece mantra: "Show-accurate no matter what! ...Unless the designer is horny."

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I thought that was the whole point of the MP Fembots? Since Blackarachnia at least. They are selling these things to the same fans that buy stuff like this:
They didn't change Blackarachnia's design to make her MP look more sexy than how her cartoon model looked, since her cartoon model was already that sexy.

Arcee, meanwhile, has had her MP design altered to be more "saggy" than how her cartoon model looked, when her Thrilling 30 toy, her upcoming Earthrise toy, and even her upcoming Cyberverse Deluxe toy, all do right by how her chest is supposed to look (when the Thrilling 30 toy and the MP were even designed by the same man!).
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:51 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The new Masterpiece mantra: "Show-accurate no matter what! ...Unless the designer is horny."

>:oP


I thought that was the whole point of the MP Fembots? Since Blackarachnia at least. They are selling these things to the same fans that buy stuff like this:
They didn't change Blackarachnia's design to make her MP look more sexy than how her cartoon model looked, since her cartoon model was already that sexy.

Arcee, meanwhile, has had her MP design altered to be more "saggy" than how her cartoon model looked, when her Thrilling 30 toy, her upcoming Earthrise toy, and even her upcoming Cyberverse Deluxe toy, all do right by how her chest is supposed to look (when the Thrilling 30 toy and the MP were even designed by the same man!).


Why do you think they went for the saggy look? What I also dislike is how they botched her midsection.
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:29 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Why do you think they went for the saggy look?
Well, we are talking about the same man who wrote and drew Kiss Players.
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:05 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Why do you think they went for the saggy look?
Well, we are talking about the same man who wrote and drew Kiss Players.

I dont get it, what is the sexual appeal with this arcee? I dont see how the design is sexier. I just see it as some sort of design compromise for other stuff we dont know about.
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:20 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Why do you think they went for the saggy look?
Well, we are talking about the same man who wrote and drew Kiss Players.

I dont get it, what is the sexual appeal with this arcee? I dont see how the design is sexier. I just see it as some sort of design compromise for other stuff we dont know about.
Her "boob line", so to speak, has been shifted downward to more realistically match the vertical position of where breasts would normally be found on the body of a human woman.

This line was positioned higher than that position on the torso of Arcee's cartoon model (and other toys based on it), but has been shifted southward on the MP, deviating from how her chest is "supposed" to look to, well, put the part of her chest where her breasts would be if she was a human in the position of her torso where breast would be found on a human woman body.

Compare the top pic (the actual MP) with the bottom one (a modified pic showing how her chest ought to be positioned higher):

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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:18 pm

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The bottom one does look better like, the collar seems to be the right size.
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby Syclone » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:50 am

Yeah, I think it's more the amount of collar shown plus the angle that the upper part of the chest juts out at that make this look bad, rather than "boobs placed realistically". That plate could be in the same spot if those 2 bits were fixed....or just move the plate up.

EITHER WAY, I would be totally on board with this figure if it were $70, maybe $90. Just like with Hound, I think it generally looks great and I'd be willing to forgive some design.... laziness...if it were sold for a reasonable price. And given the recent QC issues combined with the thinner plastic pieces on this figure, this seems like a losing proposition.

Also, for $145, you're telling me, the same toy line that gave us the disappearing ladder on Inferno can't give us a better looking backpack on Arcee? Oof....
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Re: Transformers MP-51 Arcee Discussion

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:16 pm

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