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Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

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Postby Cobotron » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:24 pm

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Postby mordhelm » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:58 pm

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mordhelm wrote:Well my hunt is almost officially over. Retail Optimal Optimus and Wreck Gar are all I have left from this line. Found Novastar at a local Walmart, on the wrong rack.


Nice find on Novastar! I'm still looking, but a fear I may have missed my chance already. I've found nothing but Rippersnappers lately. Oh, and are you planning on getting Punch/Counterpunch too? That's one more for the checklist at the end of Power of the Primes.


I count my 2 on order as gotten. One will be Punch the other in the box or counterpunch. Havent decided yet.
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Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:29 pm

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mordhelm wrote:Well my hunt is almost officially over. Retail Optimal Optimus and Wreck Gar are all I have left from this line. Found Novastar at a local Walmart, on the wrong rack.


Nice find on Novastar! I'm still looking, but a fear I may have missed my chance already. I've found nothing but Rippersnappers lately. Oh, and are you planning on getting Punch/Counterpunch too? That's one more for the checklist at the end of Power of the Primes.


I count my 2 on order as gotten. One will be Punch the other in the box or counterpunch. Havent decided yet.


I don't count 'em until they're actually in my paws. Also, I too ordered two Punch/Counterpunches, one to be Punch on the Autobot shelves and one to be Counterpunch on the Decepticon shelves. He's such a great double agent that he can be a two places at once! (Hey, doing so would go a long way towards an alibi if he's ever outed by Cliffjumper as a spy!) :lol:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby mordhelm » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:40 pm

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Kinda along the same lines of what I was thinking.

I wonder if we could see some of the plans/designs for how he was going to be a combiner, since it sounded like this mold was intended to be a combiner at first, but they chose to sacrifice combining for the greater good. Could be pretty neat to see what they were planning.

On that note, did we really not get a secondary mold use out of jazz? Color me surprised by that.
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Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:29 pm

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mordhelm wrote:Kinda along the same lines of what I was thinking.

I wonder if we could see some of the plans/designs for how he was going to be a combiner, since it sounded like this mold was intended to be a combiner at first, but they chose to sacrifice combining for the greater good. Could be pretty neat to see what they were planning.

On that note, did we really not get a secondary mold use out of jazz? Color me surprised by that.


I'm not sure it was said that Punch/Counterpunch at first had the combining gimmick. I think what was meant was that he forewent that feature from the get go because his original G1 feature was more important, that of having two robot modes.

It is surprising that we didn't get another use out of Jazz (as Stepper/Ricochet, specifically), but that's how it turned out. I'm willing to bet that mold would have been repainted and/or retooled had Power of the Primes not been cut short. There's still hope that we might get a Legends EX release of Stepper from Takara Tomy at some point. They LOVE doing that whenever there is a Jazz mold to be repainted, lol.
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Postby Cobotron » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:39 pm

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Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:57 am

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Perfect idea, which means they won't do it but what about they repaint the jazz mold as before but also throw in one of the target masters they are planning from Siege! A nice little way to bridge the gap between the two lines I think
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Postby mordhelm » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:07 am

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If they do a Jazz repaint/remold I hope they also release Ratchet here too. For no other reason than symmetry. There would be an odd number of CW style limb autobots. Flip side, it does give me an excuse to use 2 wreck gars as separate guys.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Dr. Caelus » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:12 pm

Completely without warning, SDCC Optimal Optimus showed up on our carport today.
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Postby Cobotron » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:51 pm

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Caelus wrote:Completely without warning, SDCC Optimal Optimus showed up on our carport today.
Same! Delivery estimate said this coming Tuesday, but it showed up on the stoop today.

I'll take back half my bad attitude towards HTS. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby starrhero » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:55 pm

Cobotron wrote:
Caelus wrote:Completely without warning, SDCC Optimal Optimus showed up on our carport today.
Same! Delivery estimate said this coming Tuesday, but it showed up on the stoop today.

I'll take back half my bad attitude towards HTS. :lol:


Really? I have the same estimated delivery date... Interesting.

I wonder why people are getting it earlier than expected.

I also wonder if mine will arrive tomorrow... :-?
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:07 am

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Caelus wrote:Completely without warning, SDCC Optimal Optimus showed up on our carport today.
Same! Delivery estimate said this coming Tuesday, but it showed up on the stoop today.

I'll take back half my bad attitude towards HTS. :lol:


Yay! I hope eventually everyone who wants one can get one at a reasonable price, even if that means getting the Takara Tomy release instead. Scalpers be damned!
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Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:11 pm

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Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:19 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:I just got the wave 3 Prime Masters and opened Bludgeon, who has holes on the bottom of the shell that fit the Prime/Titan Master ports. Did I miss something or did I stumble on a running change?


You missed something, that's been a feature since Wave 1. All Decoy Suits have that.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby RiddlerJ » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:18 am

I'm tempted to get the general release Optimal Optimus too, and put the Throne version on the Deception shelf as Nemesis Primal.

But, you know, money.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Dr. Caelus » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:27 am

RiddlerJ wrote:I'm tempted to get the general release Optimal Optimus too, and put the Throne version on the Deception shelf as Nemesis Primal.

But, you know, money.



Or wait for a 3rd Party/Shapeways Beast Machines Megatron face for the general release Optimal Optimus, and treat that as the 'Nemesis' version.
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Postby TF-fan kev777 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:39 am

RiddlerJ wrote:I'm tempted to get the general release Optimal Optimus too, and put the Throne version on the Deception shelf as Nemesis Primal.

But, you know, money.


That was my original plan as well. For me it isn't just $$$ holding me back, I just don't care for the
primal mold that much overall compared to the OP and RP molds which I also double dipped on.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:43 am

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Caelus wrote:Or wait for a 3rd Party/Shapeways Beast Machines Megatron face for the general release Optimal Optimus, and treat that as the 'Nemesis' version.
Yeah, as if the third parties of today care about Beast Machines. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Dr. Caelus » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:25 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Caelus wrote:Or wait for a 3rd Party/Shapeways Beast Machines Megatron face for the general release Optimal Optimus, and treat that as the 'Nemesis' version.
Yeah, as if the third parties of today care about Beast Machines. :lol:


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Thinking about that finale brings up a neat idea for my own head canon - Throne of the Primes Optimal is Optimus Primal and Megatron after falling into the core of Cybertron together.

I mean, think about it: In their last battle, Megatron shows up in a reproduction of Primal's Optimal body, then proceeds to whip out a throne, begins absorbing all the sparks of his prisoners causing him to grow remarkably in size, manifests a big spinning halo of energy, starts cyberforming the core of Cybertron with the Key to Vector Sigma, and ultimately announces his plan to merge his consciousness with Cybertron. Primal responds by transforming Megatron's giant throne into a mess of technorganic vines that attack Megatron, and then plunges them both into the core before the Key can finish its work. Megatron's plan is technically seen through, just with two deviations - when he plunges into the core, it's still partially 'organic', and Optimus goes with him, monologuing about Cybertron needing both of them to create balance.

So, consider that in the context of the rest of Transformers - The Matrix of Leadership was sometimes said to contain the wisdom of Primus and all the previous Primes (sometimes its described as essentially the exact same thing as the Allspark). When someone is 'chosen' by the Matrix they are given that wisdom, and (usually) a big boost in size. The Matrix, though, ends up 'spent', either drained fighting Unicron (G1 Marvel) or the Hate Plague (G1 Cartoon). Cybertron is forced to continue on without the divine guidance of the Matrix.

Megatron's plan to absorb all of the imprisoned sparks, then, feels like a sort of demented attempt to create his own replacement for the Matrix, and his big bump in size and power certainly makes it look like his plan was partially successful. His plan to merge with the core of Cybertron would have carried that further, granting him access to Primus's wisdom and power. Essentially, he was trying to become a Prime by force, like Napoleon crowning himself Emperor.

Optimus Primal - who'd briefly held the real Matrix - better understood what being chosen should mean - safeguarding the balance between creation and destruction, order and chaos, reason and emotion, oppression and anarchy. He recognized the line that Megatron had crossed: Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. But rather than throw himself into the core of Cybertron to merge with it first and slap Megatron down with the planet itself, Optimus Primal chooses to hurl them both into the core together, saying that Cybertron needs them both for balance. Given that Primal and Megatron both have the distinction of having spent time with their sparks merged with those of others (their predecessors), it makes sense that Primal would be mentally prepared to merge himself with Megatron.

So imagine then, that Megatron's plan still fundamentally succeeded - He emerged from the crucible of (re)creation reborn in an upgraded body, deeply tied to Cybertron and its people. However, rather than dominate the planet and its populace as a 100% technological monstrosity, bereft of empathy, and driven only to expand and grow, thanks to Primal's contribution *they* become a true Prime, together. They become Optimal Prime - the optimal combination* of Megatron's intellect and Primal's wisdom, Megatron's logic and Primal's compassion, Megatron's willpower and Primal's kindness, Megatron's ambition and Primal's humility.

Optimal Prime saunters out, finds Megatron's giant throne (which had been reformatted into a viney thing by Primal), sits down with his big swirling halo, and prepares to lead Cybertron into a new era, saying (in the voice of Transformers Animated's Optimus Prime) "Yes... that's just Prime."

*It's even reflected in the toy! Optimal Megatron had eliminated the beast mode from Optimal Optimus's body, keeping only the two vehicle modes. In contrast, Optimal Prime, representing the balance between the two, gives up the APC mode and regains Primal's gorilla mode. Also fun, the gorilla mode can separate into two semi-independent parts.

So yes, from now on I will imagine the gorilla half of Optimal being Beast Wars Megatron, whom Cybertron/Primus has essentially sentenced to doing community service, with Primal permanently bound to him as his parole officer/sponsor/eternal frienemy.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:21 am

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Caelus wrote:Or wait for a 3rd Party/Shapeways Beast Machines Megatron face for the general release Optimal Optimus, and treat that as the 'Nemesis' version.
Yeah, as if the third parties of today care about Beast Machines. :lol:


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:39 pm

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You missed something, that's been a feature since Wave 1. All Decoy Suits have that.


Wow, really don't know how I missed that all this time. Nice touch but I've been having a problem trying to use it.
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Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:41 am

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mordhelm wrote:Anyone want to speculate what a hypothetical NYCC exclusive could be?


For some reason, in my mind, I thought there might not even be an exclusive toy for NYCC this year (have they released one every year?) I mean I know SDCC usually does...

Anyway...I'd love one of three things...

1) A pair of Deluxe Female Autobots to finish the Elita-1 Combiner
2) A pair of Deluxe Autobot figures to finish the Inferno Combiner
3) One Decepticon Deluxe figure to finish the Starscream Combiner

I've gone back and forth about the remaining Prime Masters. I just think that at this point, if they released a 4-pack exclusive of the remaining Primes w/Prime Armor (Pretender) suits, it would really be an insult to all those of us who got Throne of the Primes.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby mordhelm » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:15 am

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mordhelm wrote:Anyone want to speculate what a hypothetical NYCC exclusive could be?


For some reason, in my mind, I thought there might not even be an exclusive toy for NYCC this year (have they released one every year?) I mean I know SDCC usually does...

Anyway...I'd love one of three things...

1) A pair of Deluxe Female Autobots to finish the Elita-1 Combiner
2) A pair of Deluxe Autobot figures to finish the Inferno Combiner
3) One Decepticon Deluxe figure to finish the Starscream Combiner

I've gone back and forth about the remaining Prime Masters. I just think that at this point, if they released a 4-pack exclusive of the remaining Primes w/Prime Armor (Pretender) suits, it would really be an insult to all those of us who got Throne of the Primes.


What if they released the suits themselves with some Deluxe combiner bots?
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:19 am

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well that would be the hypothetical "best" situation, but I dont think they would release *just* the Prime Armors, because then anyone who didn't get the Throne would be upset.
Bucket/Want List: Botcon 2016 Customization Class Ratchet (G2 Deco), or Customization Class Ratchet (Marvel Comics Deco) **would also be willing to pay for an Unpainted Botcon 2016 Ratchet, TT Legends Fortress Head (only) with working Electronics

Wish List of Modern Combiners: Road Caesar, Monstructor & Dinoking (proper size to fiction), Landcross, Guard City, Battle Gaia, & G2 Defensor. Wish List of Titans:Metrotitan,Majin Zarak
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