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Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:39 pm

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Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well the Beast Era hasnt happened yet in the series timeline, so I dont see how that would work without major spoilers.
Unless it's some new adaptation, why would the Beast Era happen in the Aligned Continuity?
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Asepticon » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:30 pm

Well it would have the prophesy about the Beast Wars I guess is what I meant. I'll be reading it tomorrow. I can't wait! I haven't read most of the comics that are in it so I guess I'll be taking in a lot :-)
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby xyl360 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:06 am

Asepticon wrote:No Beast Wars related stuff? Bumber. I do wish it were comparable to the COP in the show that it was first referenced.

That's what I was hoping for when it was first announced. Instead, it's that aligned/comics 13/Cybertron is a giant robot god/Unicron is a giant robot devil (and brother of giant robot god) stuff that I never really got into.

I wonder if the third parties will do one proper (that's actually a cassette recorder within instead of a book):
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The cover of the box does look pretty much the same though:
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:48 am

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Asepticon wrote:Well it would have the prophesy about the Beast Wars I guess is what I meant.
But why?
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby ? Sentinel ? Prime » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:57 am

Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.

Speaking of, would anyone who has read it in full be so kind as to give a full spoiler summary here please?

Thank you kindly.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:13 am

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Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Asepticon » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:59 am

Ok, basically what I imagined it would be would make it like a bible with past elements and prophecy about the future. Why? Because I would have found it entertaing as though i owned a copy of the original Covenant of Primus from the Beast Wars cartoon. Still, I'm sure it's gonna be great. That's just what I would have prefered.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Asepticon » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:07 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?

Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:41 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?

Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
But the Predacons of the Aligned Continuity were an ancient race of non-transforming Cybertronian dragons who all died and went extinct in the Great Cataclysm prior to the age of standard Cybertronians (who would become the Autobots and Decepticons).

The Predacons of the Beast Era, however, were the future descendants of the Decepticons who were normal, ordinary Cybertronians at human size. Only a select few actually turned into animals (because of their scanning them on other worlds), while the mass population had standard Cybertronian altmodes.

There's also a difference between insignia designs. ;)
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:28 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
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Sabrblade wrote:
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?

Not at all. That could have been the onset of the beast era.
But the Predacons of the Aligned Continuity were an ancient race of non-transforming Cybertronian dragons who all died and went extinct in the Great Cataclysm prior to the age of standard Cybertronians (who would become the Autobots and Decepticons).

The Predacons of the Beast Era, however, were the future descendants of the Decepticons who were normal, ordinary Cybertronians at human size. Only a select few actually turned into animals (because of their scanning them on other worlds), while the mass population had standard Cybertronian altmodes.

There's also a difference between insignia designs. ;)

No, I think you're not really getting what he means, I believe he means the prophecies that where mentioned and kinda a big deal in BW.
The ones that Megatron and Primal quote to each other while they battle. You know the "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, bla bla bla And you shall know that my name is MEGATRON!"
That stuff, which I believe will be in this, since it's been now established that the Megatron from the Covenant is Megatronus, AKA The Fallen. IT would make sense, since that was part of the reason for the 13 retcon to include Megatronus Prime as being The Fallen's original name.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby ? Sentinel ? Prime » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:02 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?


No more as far and different than the Beast Era Predacons were from the Original Ones.

In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.

Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Asepticon » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Ok, got it in the mail and haven't started reading yet but did want to mention that my wall mount won't lock shut so I can't hang it up or else the bottom part falls open. Anybody else have this problem?
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby ? Sentinel ? Prime » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:11 pm

The crappy case has been pointed out on Amazon.

A question, does it explain how Optimus is the Thirteenth Prime?
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:19 pm

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Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:Well given Aligned's mandate is to be a kind of "All-Star" panoply of past continuity, it'd be amiss for a Beast Era analog NOT to occur.
Isn't the fact that they remade the Predacons to be as far and different from the Beast Wars iteration as possible sort of a clue that there might not be a Beast Era analog?


No more as far and different than the Beast Era Predacons were from the Original Ones.

In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.

Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?

Thanks for the spoiler, so much better than getting my copy in hand and finding that out by reading it in the book I bought.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sodan-1 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:50 pm

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Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:In any case Optimus is the Thirteen Prime.

Could anyone with the book pleas explain to me how that works?

You know, the site does have a spoiler option. You might want to consider using it next time, please.

On that note could everyone please make sure they're using the spoiler option where appropriate? Also if anyone cracks the code, can we keep the method hidden for those that may want to try figuring it out for themselves? My shipping email said I shouldn't expect my copy before Christmas. :sad:

Dead Metal wrote:Thanks for the spoiler, so much better than getting my copy in hand and finding that out by reading it in the book I bought.

Flippin' newbs gotta spoil things for everyone, right? :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:20 pm

Since flippin' Optimus is a member of the Thirteen somehow, I don't think it's impossible for there to be both an ancient breed of Transformers called Predacons and a future breed of Transformers called Predacons both running around prehistoric Earth. Somehow. Stupid, yes, but this whole aligned garbage is stupid.
Boy, and I thought "Megatron-us" was stupid.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby xyl360 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:43 pm

Noideaforaname wrote:Since flippin' Optimus is a member of the Thirteen somehow, I don't think it's impossible for there to be both an ancient breed of Transformers called Predacons and a future breed of Transformers called Predacons both running around prehistoric Earth. Somehow. Stupid, yes, but this whole aligned garbage is stupid.
Boy, and I thought "Megatron-us" was stupid.

Pretty much this, although perhaps the word "stupid" is a little harsh.

I haven't read any of the comics and such but I figured out who the 13th was as soon as it was mentioned that it was a "mystery" in this thread. I guess it would have been more difficult to figure out if I'd actually read the books? (seems counterintuitive, but OK, whatever).
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:55 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:That stuff, which I believe will be in this, since it's been now established that the Megatron from the Covenant is Megatronus, AKA The Fallen. IT would make sense, since that was part of the reason for the 13 retcon to include Megatronus Prime as being The Fallen's original name.
Wait, what? When was it confirmed that the Megatron of myth was Megatronus?

I know there was some speculation of that that people were making back in the day, but after all we've come to get out of this, it's pretty clear that this isn't the same Covenant of Primus book as the one from the BW cartoon (especially since the two have differing natures).

BTW, there's no "Prime" in Megatronus' name. ;)
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Asepticon wrote:Ok, got it in the mail and haven't started reading yet but did want to mention that my wall mount won't lock shut so I can't hang it up or else the bottom part falls open. Anybody else have this problem?



mine did it too.... put two strips of scotch tape from bottom to back (youll never see it) and voila, all fixed
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:45 pm

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Postby Avensis-Mahiya » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:59 pm

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I'm getting my copy for Christmas so I'm trying desperately to reserve any judgment, but the Aligned continuity is such a joke that I very well may take the Covenant of Primus with the same grains of salt as the rest of it.

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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Asepticon » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:10 pm

Still a good read. Just not the fan candy I was hoping for. Sigh.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby VioMeTriX » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:04 am

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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby ? Sentinel ? Prime » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:02 am

A lot of folks here seem to dislike the Aligned Continuity family. Any reason why? Doesn't seem to have any more inconsistances than any other Continuity Family.
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Re: Transformers: The Covenant of Primus Hardcover Announced

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:58 am

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Ω Sentinel ζ Prime wrote:A lot of folks here seem to dislike the Aligned Continuity family. Any reason why? Doesn't seem to have any more inconsistances than any other Continuity Family.
My guess is that the seed of it all began with the confirmation that the WFC video game was part of this continuity, when so many wanted badly for that game either to be its own thing or to a G1 game.

And lot of folks also don't like the aesthetic influence the Prime cartoon (and the continuity as a whole) took from the movies (and from Animated).

And, there's still a small minority who are still a little butthurt over Animated being canceled in favor of this, when there were plans for a fourth season already in development, but got scrapped because of TF: Prime's forthcoming arrival.

And a big thing regarding the inconsistencies is how Hasbro promised that all of this continuity would fit together and make sense as one whole, when just the sheer number of inconsistencies continues to contradict that again and again.
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