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SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that. I love Headmasters, and IDW, so I find these IDW Headmasters pretty freaking awesome personally.

Because the combining gimmick forced the figures to look and be designed a certain way, not allowing for character-unique transformations and predicating what they would look like in both modes irregardless of how they may have looked in the source fiction.

It's like how TT made starscream out of skydive, he definitely doesn't 'look' like a seeker do to the combination gimmick, whereas you only have to take the head off of the figure to transform it (and some collectors don't even do that yet still whine about it)

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but I still don't see the issue with it. I know a lot of people were upset with the whole Galvatron thing but I don't mind it one bit. Characters like him weren't headmasters, until they are. Same thing with the non combiner combiner characters. Things don't have to be the way they always were, that's how things get stale and if this is the way that we'll get updated figures of characters we might not normally have gotten then I'm all for it.

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but I still don't see the issue with it. I know a lot of people were upset with the whole Galvatron thing but I don't mind it one bit. Characters like him weren't headmasters, until they are. Same thing with the non combiner combiner characters. Things don't have to be the way they always were, that's how things get stale and if this is the way that we'll get updated figures of characters we might not normally have gotten then I'm all for it.

I am not saying I'M upset with it, I'm just saying that I understand why other people would be more upset about the Headmaster thing than the Combiners since Headmasters are kinda required to use the Headmaster gimmick to Transform.

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but I still don't see the issue with it. I know a lot of people were upset with the whole Galvatron thing but I don't mind it one bit. Characters like him weren't headmasters, until they are. Same thing with the non combiner combiner characters. Things don't have to be the way they always were, that's how things get stale and if this is the way that we'll get updated figures of characters we might not normally have gotten then I'm all for it.

I am not saying I'M upset with it, I'm just saying that I understand why other people would be more upset about the Headmaster thing than the Combiners since Headmasters are kinda required to use the Headmaster gimmick to Transform.

So your point is that cramming the gimmick into figs that didn't have any right to use it is wrong? So by that logic we shouldn't be getting a powermaster o/p, since o/p shouldn't be a headmaster? But it's okay for him though because that's canon right? So how does new canon get created then if hasbro isn't allowed to think outside the box?

I can get behind the idea that a whole line with one gimmick can be tiring (this being different from, say, mini-con ports or cyber keys due the variety of gimmicks included therein) but this is more so about fans being butthurt over their favorite characters being violated in their minds by becoming titan masters/headmasters, so, yes, I stand by my original point

The one thing I want out of this line is a full set of original headmasters. Any additional guys along the way would be great but I at least want the originals.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but I still don't see the issue with it. I know a lot of people were upset with the whole Galvatron thing but I don't mind it one bit. Characters like him weren't headmasters, until they are. Same thing with the non combiner combiner characters. Things don't have to be the way they always were, that's how things get stale and if this is the way that we'll get updated figures of characters we might not normally have gotten then I'm all for it.

I am not saying I'M upset with it, I'm just saying that I understand why other people would be more upset about the Headmaster thing than the Combiners since Headmasters are kinda required to use the Headmaster gimmick to Transform.

So your point is that cramming the gimmick into figs that didn't have any right to use it is wrong? So by that logic we shouldn't be getting a powermaster o/p, since o/p shouldn't be a headmaster? But it's okay for him though because that's canon right? So how does new canon get created then if hasbro isn't allowed to think outside the box?

I can get behind the idea that a whole line with one gimmick can be tiring (this being different from, say, mini-con ports or cyber keys due the variety of gimmicks included therein) but this is more so about fans being butthurt over their favorite characters being violated in their minds by becoming titan masters/headmasters, so, yes, I stand by my original point

I agree with your overall point, but you said that "Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around... it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was", when I think the oposite is the case. The HEADMASTER gimmick is more intrusive than the combining gimmick because if you wanted to, you could throw away the combiner piece and treat the CW figures like just normal Generations figures, which you can't do with Headmasters! I am PERFECTLY FINE with new ideas for pre-existing characters. I was NOT arguing against that concept, but just the simple fact that Combiners are more diverse than Headmasters, not the other way around. I rest my case.

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but I still don't see the issue with it. I know a lot of people were upset with the whole Galvatron thing but I don't mind it one bit. Characters like him weren't headmasters, until they are. Same thing with the non combiner combiner characters. Things don't have to be the way they always were, that's how things get stale and if this is the way that we'll get updated figures of characters we might not normally have gotten then I'm all for it.

I am not saying I'M upset with it, I'm just saying that I understand why other people would be more upset about the Headmaster thing than the Combiners since Headmasters are kinda required to use the Headmaster gimmick to Transform.

So your point is that cramming the gimmick into figs that didn't have any right to use it is wrong? So by that logic we shouldn't be getting a powermaster o/p, since o/p shouldn't be a headmaster? But it's okay for him though because that's canon right? So how does new canon get created then if hasbro isn't allowed to think outside the box?

I can get behind the idea that a whole line with one gimmick can be tiring (this being different from, say, mini-con ports or cyber keys due the variety of gimmicks included therein) but this is more so about fans being butthurt over their favorite characters being violated in their minds by becoming titan masters/headmasters, so, yes, I stand by my original point

I agree with your overall point, but you said that "Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around... it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was", when I think the oposite is the case. The HEADMASTER gimmick is more intrusive than the combining gimmick because if you wanted to, you could throw away the combiner piece and treat the CW figures like just normal Generations figures, which you can't do with Headmasters! I am PERFECTLY FINE with new ideas for pre-existing characters. I was NOT arguing against that concept, but just the simple fact that Combiners are more diverse than Headmasters, not the other way around. I rest my case.

But they aren't more diverse is my point. There are some 8 limb-bot figures and exceptionally fewer torso's. Everything else is a retooling, they are standardized to the point of obscenity; whereas, every figure in the tw line is unique (with sole exception of pm o/p). Sure, they turned astrotrain into sentinel, but there isn't going to be a slew of skullcruncher repaints, and there isn't going to be a scattershot repaint from galvatron, the line is going to be full of unique molds once again, and since a lot of collectors don't even play with their tf's, they can have a figure that actually looks like the character it's representing and doesn't have a pre-defined combiner port stuck in their chest. That's like saying cw o/p can stand in for your mp o/p, it doesn't really work well.

As for the rest of us, so we have to take the head off, I honestly don't see the big deal with it. This is how new traditions/canon begin; I grew up with bw, and had no idea of what G1 was, so when rid came around, I was pretty out of my comfort zone what with vehicles and all, but I liked the idea of trying new stuff, always have, always will, I tend not to get petulant over such insignificant things because I prefer the diversity and uniqueness

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Plus if someone doesn't like it, they don't ave to take the head off, or swap them around - it's not rocket science, it's hardly obtrusive like the combining gimmick was

Actually with the combiners you didn't have to combine them, but with the Headmaster you HAVE to use the headmaster gimmisk to transform it, so I don't get what you mean by that.

While that may be true I don't see how it's a problem. The heads have places on the bot to sit so it's not like you have to set it off to the side.

Hellscream's point was that you don't HAVE to use the Headmaster gimmick, when in actuality, you have to for vehicle mode. Remember Titan Wars Galvatron who everyone's upset about being a headmaster? CW Cyclonus is a cool figure because you DON"T HAVE TO combine him for either of the individual modes. He can be his own figure. Headmasters HAVE TO take their heads off for vehicle mode. If anything the Headmaster gimmick is MORE intrusive than the combining gimmick, tho I LOVE Headmasters that are SUPPOSED to be headmaster like Brainstorm, Hardhead, and others like that.

I'm picking up what you're putting down but I still don't see the issue with it. I know a lot of people were upset with the whole Galvatron thing but I don't mind it one bit. Characters like him weren't headmasters, until they are. Same thing with the non combiner combiner characters. Things don't have to be the way they always were, that's how things get stale and if this is the way that we'll get updated figures of characters we might not normally have gotten then I'm all for it.

I am not saying I'M upset with it, I'm just saying that I understand why other people would be more upset about the Headmaster thing than the Combiners since Headmasters are kinda required to use the Headmaster gimmick to Transform.

So your point is that cramming the gimmick into figs that didn't have any right to use it is wrong? So by that logic we shouldn't be getting a powermaster o/p, since o/p shouldn't be a headmaster? But it's okay for him though because that's canon right? So how does new canon get created then if hasbro isn't allowed to think outside the box?

I can get behind the idea that a whole line with one gimmick can be tiring (this being different from, say, mini-con ports or cyber keys due the variety of gimmicks included therein) but this is more so about fans being butthurt over their favorite characters being violated in their minds by becoming titan masters/headmasters, so, yes, I stand by my original point

Dude, take a chill pill. Or an enema. Sillyspringer literally said he's not upset about the gimmick. The only person who seems to be "butthurt" over other people having opinions that differ from their own is you.

Meh. I quite like Headmasters, as silly as they are. Provided they're well-implemented and have a place to go in vehicle mode I think they make for a fun figure. I definitely prefer the Japanese fiction for them over the American version though- the idea of the smaller robot being the "real" Transformer using the larger body as a kind of power mushroom (and thus allowing the robot to survive otherwise fatal injuries to their body by simply detaching) makes a lot more sense than a fully independent human (well, Nebulan I guess) contorting themselves into a head-shape and combining with a Transformer- not only can I not really see the advantages it confers (unless they function as some kind of organic battle computer, which IS pretty metal I guess, if still somewhat dumb and would still make far more sense if they were robots) but all it takes is for the human partner to run off or get KIA and the partner is left without a head- and that ISN'T a problem making the Headmaster a robot can solve!

Regarding the actual line, I for one am excited. Hardhead and Skullcruncher both look great, if a teensy bit hollow- and in any case, if they suck then 3P alternatives exist, most of which are pretty good (Hardbone is pretty awesome, Swamper is a bit of a daft looking beast but from what I've heard a very fun toy, and Crox is...well, I did say MOST of them). I am disappointed they're only making heads for Siren, Horri-Bull and Squeezeplay though. Hopefully either HasTak themselves or an enterprising 3P will make bodies for them later down the road. Siren I couldn't really give a toss about but Horri-Bull is awesome and Squeezeplay turns into a crab monster and thus I have no choice but to love him.

Blaster looks good but he's just too big for me and the "cassettes" (aside from Rewind) look mediocre. If I do bother getting a Blaster of some description I'll probably try and hunt down UT Soundmixer (for the G1 tape capabilities) or FoC Blaster (for the alt mode that actually makes sense).

PMOP...eh. On the one hand, the fact that he's so unbelievably different from Magnus despite being the same base figure is impressive and he mostly looks good. On the other hand, those hollow limbs are kinda crap and the fact he's a Headmaster rather than a proper Powermaster seriously sucks. That said I do like him, though if I do get him I'll be doing some modifications to him (notably making some fillers for his arms). I hope the Takara version makes his chestplate nice and shiny (preferably via vac-metal chrome- hopefully sealed with some sort of clearcoat like it's supposed to be so it doesn't flake).

Sentinel Prime looks kinda meh with his weird orange colourscheme, but if they are doing him as Astrotrain I'll buy that for sure, though I'll probably paint over the clear "conning tower" to give it some detail.

Galvatron I absolutely love even with his somewhat weak "jet" mode, and will be buying as soon as I see him, especially given the ludicrous prices Mania King goes for these days.

Question is, what other Headmasters will we get? I'm hoping Takara does a heavy retool of the rumoured Nightbeat as Minerva, and that someone- ANYONE- does a properly articulated Armada OVERLOAD. That guy is awesome even if he did get about as much characterization as a breezeblock (which incidentally his toy rather resembled in the posability game).

Delta Magnus wrote:Meh. I quite like Headmasters, as silly as they are. Provided they're well-implemented and have a place to go in vehicle mode I think they make for a fun figure. I definitely prefer the Japanese fiction for them over the American version though- the idea of the smaller robot being the "real" Transformer using the larger body as a kind of power mushroom (and thus allowing the robot to survive otherwise fatal injuries to their body by simply detaching) makes a lot more sense than a fully independent human (well, Nebulan I guess) contorting themselves into a head-shape and combining with a Transformer- not only can I not really see the advantages it confers (unless they function as some kind of organic battle computer, which IS pretty metal I guess, if still somewhat dumb and would still make far more sense if they were robots) but all it takes is for the human partner to run off or get KIA and the partner is left without a head- and that ISN'T a problem making the Headmaster a robot can solve!

Regarding the actual line, I for one am excited. Hardhead and Skullcruncher both look great, if a teensy bit hollow- and in any case, if they suck then 3P alternatives exist, most of which are pretty good (Hardbone is pretty awesome, Swamper is a bit of a daft looking beast but from what I've heard a very fun toy, and Crox is...well, I did say MOST of them). I am disappointed they're only making heads for Siren, Horri-Bull and Squeezeplay though. Hopefully either HasTak themselves or an enterprising 3P will make bodies for them later down the road. Siren I couldn't really give a toss about but Horri-Bull is awesome and Squeezeplay turns into a crab monster and thus I have no choice but to love him.

Blaster looks good but he's just too big for me and the "cassettes" (aside from Rewind) look mediocre. If I do bother getting a Blaster of some description I'll probably try and hunt down UT Soundmixer (for the G1 tape capabilities) or FoC Blaster (for the alt mode that actually makes sense).

PMOP...eh. On the one hand, the fact that he's so unbelievably different from Magnus despite being the same base figure is impressive and he mostly looks good. On the other hand, those hollow limbs are kinda crap and the fact he's a Headmaster rather than a proper Powermaster seriously sucks. That said I do like him, though if I do get him I'll be doing some modifications to him (notably making some fillers for his arms). I hope the Takara version makes his chestplate nice and shiny.

Well, I'm sure they're going to get around to doing the other heads, remember these were rushed out at sdcc b/c of the leaked art, so more are sure to come.

I personally just want my beasty headmsters, need me an awesome mindwipe and weirdwolf, I only wish that a y-axis joint was built into the head-dudes; an entire line without light-piping I can handle, an entire line without y-axis joints in their necks in an entirely different problem

JazZeke wrote:Dude, take a chill pill. Or an enema. Sillyspringer literally said he's not upset about the gimmick. The only person who seems to be "butthurt" over other people having opinions that differ from their own is you.

I think Hellscream was just misunderstanding my point. I meant playability-wise, Headmasters NEED the headmaster gimmick in order to transform, but CW figures can just me treated like normal figures, and you can just forget about the combining gimmick. I said NOTHING about CW being better than Titan Wars, OR that the majority were good figures, I was just stating the fact that people who hate gimmicks would probably not be as upset about CW as with TW because the CW combiner gimmick in not necessary for transformation and play. I TOTALLY agree with you on YOUR points about diversity and all that stuff Hellscream, I was only correcting the "Headmasters don't need to use their gimmicks when Combiner's gimmicks are necessary" argument. I love both combiners and Headmasters, and don't necessarily care if they give characters previously not with those gimmicks those gimmicks.

SillySpringer wrote:

JazZeke wrote:Dude, take a chill pill. Or an enema. Sillyspringer literally said he's not upset about the gimmick. The only person who seems to be "butthurt" over other people having opinions that differ from their own is you.

I think Hellscream was just misunderstanding my point. I meant playability-wise, Headmasters NEED the headmaster gimmick in order to transform, but CW figures can just me treated like normal figures, and you can just forget about the combining gimmick. I said NOTHING about CW being better than Titan Wars, OR that the majority were good figures, I was just stating the fact that people who hate gimmicks would probably not be as upset about CW as with TW because the CW combiner gimmick in not necessary for transformation and play. I TOTALLY agree with you on YOUR points about diversity and all that stuff Hellscream, I was only correcting the "Headmasters don't need to use their gimmicks when Combiner's gimmicks are necessary" argument. I love both combiners and Headmasters, and don't necessarily care if they give characters previously not with those gimmicks those gimmicks.

Right, I was going by how the combiner gimmick ruins the aesthetic of the figures, whereas the headmaster keeps the aesthetics intact. For example, tw blaster can be a gen blaster, but you'd be hard-pressed to have cw starscream fill in for classics starscream; but I get your point that the obvious yanking off the head is obtrusive; I just like the idea that they can go all gundam and pilot their vehicle modes, makes more sense than leaving them empty

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

JazZeke wrote:Dude, take a chill pill. Or an enema. Sillyspringer literally said he's not upset about the gimmick. The only person who seems to be "butthurt" over other people having opinions that differ from their own is you.

I think Hellscream was just misunderstanding my point. I meant playability-wise, Headmasters NEED the headmaster gimmick in order to transform, but CW figures can just me treated like normal figures, and you can just forget about the combining gimmick. I said NOTHING about CW being better than Titan Wars, OR that the majority were good figures, I was just stating the fact that people who hate gimmicks would probably not be as upset about CW as with TW because the CW combiner gimmick in not necessary for transformation and play. I TOTALLY agree with you on YOUR points about diversity and all that stuff Hellscream, I was only correcting the "Headmasters don't need to use their gimmicks when Combiner's gimmicks are necessary" argument. I love both combiners and Headmasters, and don't necessarily care if they give characters previously not with those gimmicks those gimmicks.

Right, I was going by how the combiner gimmick ruins the aesthetic of the figures, whereas the headmaster keeps the aesthetics intact. For example, tw blaster can be a gen blaster, but you'd be hard-pressed to have cw starscream fill in for classics starscream; but I get your point that the obvious yanking off the head is obtrusive; I just like the idea that they can go all gundam and pilot their vehicle modes, makes more sense than leaving them empty

I agree. I like the way TW figures look way more than the CW figures. Dragstrip from CW was a really nice figure, but more along the lines of Generations deluxe Starscream with the "boring" aesthetic. I have found a lot of the CW deluxes were "good, but boring". I love it when figures are centered around being great figures instead of trying to be "good enough" but mostly focus around the combined mode. Headmasters are not hard to design however, but combiners are, since they have the extra combiner part mode(s).

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

JazZeke wrote:Dude, take a chill pill. Or an enema. Sillyspringer literally said he's not upset about the gimmick. The only person who seems to be "butthurt" over other people having opinions that differ from their own is you.

I think Hellscream was just misunderstanding my point. I meant playability-wise, Headmasters NEED the headmaster gimmick in order to transform, but CW figures can just me treated like normal figures, and you can just forget about the combining gimmick. I said NOTHING about CW being better than Titan Wars, OR that the majority were good figures, I was just stating the fact that people who hate gimmicks would probably not be as upset about CW as with TW because the CW combiner gimmick in not necessary for transformation and play. I TOTALLY agree with you on YOUR points about diversity and all that stuff Hellscream, I was only correcting the "Headmasters don't need to use their gimmicks when Combiner's gimmicks are necessary" argument. I love both combiners and Headmasters, and don't necessarily care if they give characters previously not with those gimmicks those gimmicks.

Right, I was going by how the combiner gimmick ruins the aesthetic of the figures, whereas the headmaster keeps the aesthetics intact. For example, tw blaster can be a gen blaster, but you'd be hard-pressed to have cw starscream fill in for classics starscream; but I get your point that the obvious yanking off the head is obtrusive; I just like the idea that they can go all gundam and pilot their vehicle modes, makes more sense than leaving them empty

I agree. I like the way TW figures look way more than the CW figures. Dragstrip from CW was a really nice figure, but more along the lines of Generations deluxe Starscream with the "boring" aesthetic. I have found a lot of the CW deluxes were "good, but boring". I love it when figures are centered around being great figures instead of trying to be "good enough" but mostly focus around the combined mode. Headmasters are not hard to design however, but combiners are, since they have the extra combiner part mode(s).

Yeah, I prefer that the combined modes were solid; but, now it's time to move on to solid figures that are great by themselves; I think what I like most about the prospect of headmasters, is that, if I don't like a head that hasbro designs (like skullcrunchers) I can just get a different head and slap it onto the figure

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:
I agree. I like the way TW figures look way more than the CW figures. Dragstrip from CW was a really nice figure, but more along the lines of Generations deluxe Starscream with the "boring" aesthetic. I have found a lot of the CW deluxes were "good, but boring". I love it when figures are centered around being great figures instead of trying to be "good enough" but mostly focus around the combined mode. Headmasters are not hard to design however, but combiners are, since they have the extra combiner part mode(s).

Yeah, I prefer that the combined modes were solid; but, now it's time to move on to solid figures that are great by themselves; I think what I like most about the prospect of headmasters, is that, if I don't like a head that hasbro designs (like skullcrunchers) I can just get a different head and slap it onto the figure

Haha exactly! Also I am hoping Skullcruncher maybe gets retooled into action master Krok with his target master.

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Right, I was going by how the combiner gimmick ruins the aesthetic of the figures, whereas the headmaster keeps the aesthetics intact. For example, tw blaster can be a gen blaster, but you'd be hard-pressed to have cw starscream fill in for classics starscream; but I get your point that the obvious yanking off the head is obtrusive; I just like the idea that they can go all gundam and pilot their vehicle modes, makes more sense than leaving them empty

I agree. I like the way TW figures look way more than the CW figures. Dragstrip from CW was a really nice figure, but more along the lines of Generations deluxe Starscream with the "boring" aesthetic. I have found a lot of the CW deluxes were "good, but boring". I love it when figures are centered around being great figures instead of trying to be "good enough" but mostly focus around the combined mode. Headmasters are not hard to design however, but combiners are, since they have the extra combiner part mode(s).

Yeah, I prefer that the combined modes were solid; but, now it's time to move on to solid figures that are great by themselves; I think what I like most about the prospect of headmasters, is that, if I don't like a head that hasbro designs (like skullcrunchers) I can just get a different head and slap it onto the figure

Haha exactly! Also I am hoping Skullcruncher maybe gets retooled into action master Krok with his target master.

Probably won't happen 'cuz tfss rules and whatnot, but I think a cheeky optimus primal and megalligator aren't out of the question

That's an interesting repaint idea that I could totally get behind.

We just got a fantastic new Krok figure that even comes with a neat new Gatoraider figure.

steals_your_goats wrote:
From what I remember that set is supposed to be a platinum set and no other information has been released on it. As far as IDW characters being headmasters I couldn't care less Honestly how they do them. I really like headmasters and I want more IDW characters so it would be a win win as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, its a platinum set, and judging from previous reissues it cant be of the galvatron we are getting in 2016 since Platinums only reissue molds that were previously issued. So I am pretty confident that it will be a reissue of G1 galvatron and rodimus. If Galvatron is purple then that would be the first time we get that in the west, right?

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You've LEFT me stumped.

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Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Right!

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You've LEFT me stumped.

Well, give it a sec, I'm sure you'll be all RIGHT

HA! Nailed it