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Sabrblade wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:Additional support to the last-minute Magnus Prime mold switch: His tech specs don't have a Titan Master boost.

Well, neither does Metalhawk. Only Tidal Wave does since he's the only sensible toy in the set for Thunderwing to be attached to. Pounce isn't compatible and the other two are Autobots.

Oh yeah, didn't see that. My bad.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You guys wanna know what else is strange about the Siege on Cybertron set?

Magnus Prime's true identity... is Ultra Magnus.

Explain please?

His toy bio describes him as City Commander with missile launchers, both of which when put together like that are aspects of Ultra Magnus.

This in turn reflects the 11th hour change from the planned redeco of the Leader class Ultra Magnus toy to a slight redeco of the Super Ginrai toy.

That doesn't make him Ultra Magnus, that just makes Hasbro stupid for not updating the package and possibly makes the package false advertising. Also, if it was going to be a Diaclone colors redeco, that would make him a mis-named Delta Magnus. Are you the one who moved the toy from Ginrai to the Ultra Magnus toys page on TFwiki?

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:Additional support to the last-minute Magnus Prime mold switch: His tech specs don't have a Titan Master boost.

Well, neither does Metalhawk. Only Tidal Wave does since he's the only sensible toy in the set for Thunderwing to be attached to. Pounce isn't compatible and the other two are Autobots.

Oh yeah, didn't see that. My bad.

More like Hasbro's bad. By Sabrblade's logic the individually-sold Titans Return characters wouldn't have Titan Master boosts on their tech specs.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You guys wanna know what else is strange about the Siege on Cybertron set?

Magnus Prime's true identity... is Ultra Magnus.

Explain please?

His toy bio describes him as City Commander with missile launchers, both of which when put together like that are aspects of Ultra Magnus.

This in turn reflects the 11th hour change from the planned redeco of the Leader class Ultra Magnus toy to a slight redeco of the Super Ginrai toy.

That doesn't make him Ultra Magnus, that just makes Hasbro stupid for not updating the package and possibly makes the package false advertising. Also, if it was going to be a Diaclone colors redeco, that would make him a mis-named Delta Magnus. Are you the one who moved the toy from Ginrai to the Ultra Magnus toys page on TFwiki?

Nope, not me. But I am certainly glad that that toy isn't on Ginrai's Wiki page anymore, as it shouldn't have been there in the first place (were I to have put it anywhere, I would have put it on G1 Optimus Prime's toy page, especially with its little Headmaster being a mini-Optimus Prime lookin' dude).

Why exactly shouldn't it have been there? Ginrai was a fairly logical assumption given Metalhawk's presence. Considering, y'know, Metalhawk was of Masterforce origins. The TM partner looking like Optimus (Where's your source for this by the way? The only thing I've seen stated about color changes to it is that the legs and head were made blue.) would not exactly pin the toy down as either of them, it would simply mean the TM partner was changed to reflect the cab robot rather than the Powermaster/Godmaster.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why exactly shouldn't it have been there? Ginrai was a fairly logical assumption given Metalhawk's presence. Considering, y'know, Metalhawk was of Masterforce origins. The TM partner looking like Optimus (Where's your source for this by the way? The only thing I've seen stated about color changes to it is that the legs and head were made blue.) would not exactly pin the toy down as either of them, it would simply mean the TM partner was changed to reflect the cab robot rather than the Powermaster/Godmaster.

There was enough evidence to suggest that Magnus Prime was a form of Ginrai, but not enough to officially establish him as such. With the bio revealing the function of City Commander, one that Ultra Magnus had, plus the missile launchers that are normally not present on the Ginrai mold suggest it's supposed to be him, not Ginrai. But nothing conclusive just yet until he appears in fiction. TFWiki is far from an official authority, but companies do use it to excess (look up Roadburner to see what I mean).

Not sure if they'll make a titan beast planet(wars) box set but i would be cool. I could see a few beast wars characters as titan returns figures:

sky shadow = optimal optimus
ravage = tigertron homage to Device Label, 2009
us release of convobat/ megagator/ lio convoy
wheelie = rattrap
legends bumblebee = wasp
mindwipe = nightscream
Perceptor = botanica
wierdwolf = K-9/ silverbolt/ windrazor
broadside = polarclaw/ silverbolt
Hardhead/ kup = rhinox
blur/ chromedome = cheetor

I agree with the sentiment that this is here just to keep the rights to the phrase "beast wars". after all, they will be putting out a new optimus primal at some point. would suck if they couldn't use beast wars when they do.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why exactly shouldn't it have been there? Ginrai was a fairly logical assumption given Metalhawk's presence. Considering, y'know, Metalhawk was of Masterforce origins.

Except that Metalhawk actually is Metalhawk. Hasbro has used the name "Ginrai" in the past, so if they wanted Magnus Prime to be Ginrai, there was nothing stopping Hasbro from naming him "Ginrai". Yet, he was given a name that has nothing to do with Ginrai since Ginrai is neither a Prime nor a Magnus. It made no sense for an Optimus Prime-lookalike named "Magnus Prime" to be Ginrai.

Besides the original Hasbro use of the TR mold was as Optimus Prime anyway, just as was the case with Laser Prime of the Chaos on Velocitron set.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The TM partner looking like Optimus (Where's your source for this by the way?

The in-hand pics of the Titan Master that we saw awhile back, which had the Titan Master colored to look like a mini-Optimus Prime.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The only thing I've seen stated about color changes to it is that the legs and head were made blue.) would not exactly pin the toy down as either of them, it would simply mean the TM partner was changed to reflect the cab robot rather than the Powermaster/Godmaster.

Thing is, when it comes to the Ginrai character, it's the small dude that matters the most since that little dude is the character's real self while the larger toy is just a lifeless mech. And that small dude certainly don't look like Ginrai.

It's one of those things where it's not really clear either way, but more evidence points in the direction of what might be the most bizarre possibility. It's very odd. Heck, we have precedence for this - Velocitron's Laser Prime is clearly meant to be a more accurate G2 Laser Optimus Prime than the retail Voyager release, yet the bio seems to indicate it's a completely different new character instead of Optimus Prime in a new body. Magnus Prime not being what the visual identity alone would seem to confirm therefore doesn't surprise me.

Thankfully, it doesn't really matter one jot outside of nerdy internet databasing; and you can just headcanon him to be whoever you want.

Besides, how many people (not hardcore fans, but normal people) would actually look at the Magnus Prime toy and instantly think "Super Ginrai" over the far less obscure and more widely known "Optimus Prime"?

What's really confusing to me is why they didn't just outright sell him as Optimus Prime. I mean the name does have 'Prime' in it and it obviously looks like him, but surely hearing that a boxset has Optimus Prime would entice kids and parents to check it out?

Sabrblade wrote:Besides, how many people (not hardcore fans, but normal people) would actually look at the Magnus Prime toy and instantly think "Super Ginrai" over the far less obscure and more widely known "Optimus Prime"?

Indeed, how many Americans look at Super Ginrai and instantly think "Powermaster Prime"....



*raises hand*

I'm all about the #headcanon!

I see Magnus Prime as very muck like Primal Prime ( a non - Optimus like character with strong links to him) - he's the Body (originally Built for Optimus) that developed it's own sentience in collaboration wit Ginrai - so one could suggest the Titanmaster isn't Ginrai (or maybe it is) but the relationship between the two is different now the body has a mind-of-its-own.

The Japanese one seems to take place in the same idea-space too. So Super Ginrai is the Human body animated robot - but Magnus Prime is the fully sentient form of the same body from a later point in time.

But not actually Optimus Prime at all.

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I would rather of had a Titanmaster modification done to the Ultra Magnus mould though or the Magnus Body with the Optimus Cab (if they need to use that cab to get the mechanism to work) - in Diaclone colours.

Heck I still think they should release such a thing - in 2018 anyway.

So I got Sixshot again today after having sold my first one to a friend in need. My TRUs are now FILLED with them. It turns out there is a big difference in quality from the first batch that only came to walmarts in Canada. The knees are super tight here and it pegs in well at the centre in jet mode.

Kurona wrote:What's really confusing to me is why they didn't just outright sell him as Optimus Prime. I mean the name does have 'Prime' in it and it obviously looks like him, but surely hearing that a boxset has Optimus Prime would entice kids and parents to check it out?

How many "Optimus Prime" figures does a line need?

Good to hear. The Sixshot I got from a Target here a while back was in good condition, but thought I might have just been fortunate. Seems like more stock is coming after its initial release. I Could not find Soundwave forever, now I see them all over, at least 1 per store. Sixshot I was extremely fortunate to find, have not seen another one in stores since, good to know at least in some places they are coming back in stock. I have seen more wave 3 TM's come back in stock as well. Thankfully I'm all caught up on my personal wants. Just waiting on TM Ramhorn, and Overlord, neither of which has been spotted in North America to my knowledge.

Is there any reason the TR box sets have to have the same class breakdowns? They don't have the same set up as the Combiner Wars box sets.

Titans Return: 1 Leader, 1 Voyager, 1 Deluxe, 1 Scout, 1 Titan Master
Combiner Wars: 1 Voyager, 4 Deluxe, 1 Scout - Give or take, because Computron and Liokaiser didn't follow the script.

Even assuming every character followed the theme (unlike in the box-sets released so far) It would be pretty easy to manage a Eukaris boxset with a breakdown similar to what was used in Combiner Wars.

1 Voyager: Repaint of Alpha Trion
4 Deluxe: Repaint of Skullsmasher, Mindwipe, Wolfwire, Twinferno
1 Scout: Wingspan
1 Titan Master: Repaint of Lione? Clobber? It'd be random, but I think a Tarantulas Titan Master would be cool.

Unfortunately, I imagine if they use Twinferno they'll either redo him as Dezaras or RID1 Megatron, and either possibility would likely upset people. What would be funny though is if they redid Skullsmasher as City of Steel Optimus Prime, but I kind of expect that to be a con exclusive sometime in the near future...

How many "Optimus Prime" figures does a line need?[/quote]

5 billion

Caelus wrote:Is there any reason the TR box sets have to have the same class breakdowns? They don't have the same set up as the Combiner Wars box sets.

Titans Return: 1 Leader, 1 Voyager, 1 Deluxe, 1 Scout, 1 Titan Master
Combiner Wars: 1 Voyager, 4 Deluxe, 1 Scout - Give or take, because Computron and Liokaiser didn't follow the script.

Computron did with Scrounge, a Legends Class Cosmos redeco (the retooled Unite Warriors Computicon had no Legends figure), and Liokaiser had the Arms Micron Ion Scythe fill that slot.

And it's all about consistency, despite officially not being part of any given assortment due to each set being exclusive to one chain. Otherwise stores may feel "cheated out" of a better deal.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:What's really confusing to me is why they didn't just outright sell him as Optimus Prime. I mean the name does have 'Prime' in it and it obviously looks like him, but surely hearing that a boxset has Optimus Prime would entice kids and parents to check it out?

How many "Optimus Prime" figures does a line need?

Let's ask RiD, who can't get enough of him despite his comparatively few appearances in the actual show.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How many "Optimus Prime" figures does a line need?

Hasbro: Well obviously 2-3 more than there currently are.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Caelus wrote:Is there any reason the TR box sets have to have the same class breakdowns? They don't have the same set up as the Combiner Wars box sets.

Titans Return: 1 Leader, 1 Voyager, 1 Deluxe, 1 Scout, 1 Titan Master
Combiner Wars: 1 Voyager, 4 Deluxe, 1 Scout - Give or take, because Computron and Liokaiser didn't follow the script.

Computron did with Scrounge, a Legends Class Cosmos redeco (the retooled Unite Warriors Computicon had no Legends figure), and Liokaiser had the Arms Micron Ion Scythe fill that slot.

I say 'give or take' because Liokaiser bucked the trend by having a minicon instead of a scout-class figure (less) and Computron had a targetmaster in addition to its scout-class figure (more).

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:What's really confusing to me is why they didn't just outright sell him as Optimus Prime. I mean the name does have 'Prime' in it and it obviously looks like him, but surely hearing that a boxset has Optimus Prime would entice kids and parents to check it out?

How many "Optimus Prime" figures does a line need?

Let's ask RiD, who can't get enough of him despite his comparatively few appearances in the actual show.

Lemme rephrase that: how many "Optimus Prime" figures with a different design each does a line need?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:how many "Optimus Prime" figures with a different design each does a line need?

as many as can be sold come christmas.