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Hellscream9999 wrote:

Caelus wrote:As far as the, 'if you don't like headmasters, don't remove the head' thing, to me the problem comes in when they make significant concessions in a toy's design to include some gimmick. The fact that Galvatron is a headmaster doesn't bother me, but I will be bothered if he has a springloaded crown/helmet that looks bad from any angle except straight on, and that eliminates any functional articulation at the neck.

That's basically my issue, I don't think they're spring-loaded, they were shown off in video's. While most, if not all of them will have y-axis rotation (left and right), none of them appear to actually have x-axis rotation (up and down) which is truly unfortunate, especially when they could have incorporated it into the headmasters

I think Galvatron does have at least a head swivel.

Not even an entertainer or a symths nearby? Or are you stuck using buses?

ZeroWolf wrote:Not even an entertainer or a symths nearby? Or are you stuck using buses?

Nope. I live just north of Blackpool. Nearest Toys R Us is Preston, and I have never seen either of those other stores.

rickdraco wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Not even an entertainer or a symths nearby? Or are you stuck using buses?

Nope. I live just north of Blackpool. Nearest Toys R Us is Preston, and I have never seen either of those other stores.

I'm in Texas and my nearest Toys-R-Us is about 30 minutes away. I've not been to it yet but it seems to be very small.

SillySpringer wrote:

rickdraco wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Not even an entertainer or a symths nearby? Or are you stuck using buses?

Nope. I live just north of Blackpool. Nearest Toys R Us is Preston, and I have never seen either of those other stores.

I'm in Texas and my nearest Toys-R-Us is about 30 minutes away. I've not been to it yet but it seems to be very small.

I wish the one in Preston was only 30 minutes away. Even if I had a car, it would be an hour away from me. On the buses, closer to 3.

rickdraco wrote:I wish the one in Preston was only 30 minutes away. Even if I had a car, it would be an hour away from me. On the buses, closer to 3.

Hooray for the internet then hey?

Welcome to the Pub by the way

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Microraptor wrote:I don't understand all the whining about the headmasters. If you don't like the gimmick, all you have to do is just not take their head of. That's it.

Great characters like galvatron, sentinel prime and astrotrain shouldn't be headmasters in the first place.

Sentinel Prime and Astrotrain are "great characters"? Since when?

Sentinel prime was bad ass in megatron origins I loved his power suit like iron man. He valiantly stood against but was ultimately viciously killed by megatron. He was a good predecessor in his nature to optimus and came off really well.

I always liked astrotrain in g1 and idw have given him a nice new lease of life as the grumpy sarcastic transport. I just don't think these characters deserve to be stained by being headmasters.

So they have a removable head, how is that 'being stained' for every person out there against headmasters is another who maybe grew up with them, and has been hoping for these figures, and gimmick to make a comeback

As I said above if you read my comments, the characters mentioned never have been headmasters. Galvatron idw states his hatred for headmasters.

It stains the characters by having a crap gimmick that they never had previously. They're their own character not some body being piloted.

I've no problem with the likes of brainstorm and chromedome and the likes who've always been headmasters to make a return but to make characters like galvatron, sentinel, astrotrain, scourge and blurr into headmasters is hugely disappointing.

So, rid, armada, energon, and cybertron are all garbage because they designed the figures around a central gimmick... I mean, they took G1 Grimlock and made him a raptor in BW, is he forever stained now

That's an incorrect analogy. Those are different eras and different characters that used gimmicks. These figures are based off idw/g1.

Grimlock still remained a beast to robot. The gathering is a tie in to sell toys and extend the story of beast wars but the essential thing is grimlock remained a carnivorous dinosaur to robot. Not a headmaster. That's actually a massive change.

shajaki wrote:

rickdraco wrote:I wish the one in Preston was only 30 minutes away. Even if I had a car, it would be an hour away from me. On the buses, closer to 3.

Hooray for the internet then hey?

Welcome to the Pub by the way

Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

SillySpringer wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:So we finally get a voyager astrotrain, galvatron and the first toy of sentinel prime and they're bloody headmasters when they've never been headmasters before. So annoyed. t

Seems like everyone on this thread is getting red-faced over nothing. Dear Lord.

Not sure if you're trolling or not reading the comments.

rickdraco wrote:Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

Have you considered ordering the TakaraTomy full sets (Unite Warriors) from the likes of HLJ or AmiAmi? Their prices are quite cheap but I've no idea what the shipping would be like from JPY to UK though...

Prowl4 wrote:
Grimlock still remained a beast to robot. The gathering is a tie in to sell toys and extend the story of beast wars but the essential thing is grimlock remained a carnivorous dinosaur to robot. Not a headmaster. That's actually a massive change.

I think the Transformers Brand has made it awfully clear that the only true G1 toys you would be getting are the actual Hasbro G1 toys. If you want moderized G1 and nothing but, then Takara has the Masterpiece line. Outside of G1 and Masterpiece, there are no rules. Where were you guys when Rodimus became a micromaster? Or when Optimus became a triple changer dragon? Or when Blurr was just a retool of Drift as a normal earth car? Thats as much a huge change sicne tha character was always about his fast sleek futuristic altmode. Like making G1 Megatron into a tank instead of a gun, that's an INSANELY HUGE change.

Did we ever actually get an Optimus Prime that was a White Freightliner cab part of the classics line? No. And we wont. Why arent we going cray over that?! The Generations toy are of the G1 characters, sure but that is a starting point, just inspiration, their point is never to actually give you G1 again, because G1 already exists.

To me, this line is the same as Animated, Prime, or the movie line. It's a new take on G1 characters adn thats what it's always been.

Prowl4 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:So we finally get a voyager astrotrain, galvatron and the first toy of sentinel prime and they're bloody headmasters when they've never been headmasters before. So annoyed. t

Seems like everyone on this thread is getting red-faced over nothing. Dear Lord.

Not sure if you're trolling or not reading the comments.

I was referring to everyone who is getting angry about Titans Return even though the line is not even out yet.

shajaki wrote:

rickdraco wrote:Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

Have you considered ordering the TakaraTomy full sets (Unite Warriors) from the likes of HLJ or AmiAmi? Their prices are quite cheap but I've no idea what the shipping would be like from JPY to UK though...

Its the same as from japan to Canada. But I think the problem with the UK is that their customs fee is greater.

SillySpringer wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:So we finally get a voyager astrotrain, galvatron and the first toy of sentinel prime and they're bloody headmasters when they've never been headmasters before. So annoyed. t

Seems like everyone on this thread is getting red-faced over nothing. Dear Lord.

Not sure if you're trolling or not reading the comments.

I was referring to everyone who is getting angry about Titans Return even though the line is not even out yet.

You act like this has never occurred before. It's what we do as fans. If you don't like it, then this probably isn't the fandom for you.

shajaki wrote:

rickdraco wrote:Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

Have you considered ordering the TakaraTomy full sets (Unite Warriors) from the likes of HLJ or AmiAmi? Their prices are quite cheap but I've no idea what the shipping would be like from JPY to UK though...

I have considered it, but unfortunately I can't afford to spend that much in a single purchase. Wish I could, as I would LOVE to get Bruticus as a complete set. I also expect it to be impossible to get the G2 Menasor and Superion reasonably in the uk.

william-james88 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:
Grimlock still remained a beast to robot. The gathering is a tie in to sell toys and extend the story of beast wars but the essential thing is grimlock remained a carnivorous dinosaur to robot. Not a headmaster. That's actually a massive change.

I think the Transformers Brand has made it awfully clear that the only true G1 toys you would be getting are the actual Hasbro G1 toys. If you want moderized G1 and nothing but, then Takara has the Masterpiece line. Outside of G1 and Masterpiece, there are no rules. Where were you guys when Rodimus became a micromaster? Or when Optimus became a triple changer dragon? Or when Blurr was just a retool of Drift as a normal earth car? Thats as much a huge change sicne tha character was always about his fast sleek futuristic altmode. Like making G1 Megatron into a tank instead of a gun, that's an INSANELY HUGE change.

Did we ever actually get an Optimus Prime that was a White Freightliner cab part of the classics line? No. And we wont. Why arent we going cray over that?! The Generations toy are of the G1 characters, sure but that is a starting point, just inspiration, their point is never to actually give you G1 again, because G1 already exists.

To me, this line is the same as Animated, Prime, or the movie line. It's a new take on G1 characters adn thats what it's always been.

Truer words have never been spoken, especially in a children's toy line where change is the name of the game.

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:So we finally get a voyager astrotrain, galvatron and the first toy of sentinel prime and they're bloody headmasters when they've never been headmasters before. So annoyed. t

Seems like everyone on this thread is getting red-faced over nothing. Dear Lord.

Not sure if you're trolling or not reading the comments.

I was referring to everyone who is getting angry about Titans Return even though the line is not even out yet.

You act like this has never occurred before. It's what we do as fans. If you don't like it, then this probably isn't the fandom for you.

My point is, since the line isn't out yet, the characters some people are saying "could've replaced Galvatron, Sentinel, and Astrotrain", may be coming out also. We only have confirmation of a handful of characters, and we still have a whole line to be revealed. Just a pet peeve of mine to rant about.

Was there all of this nonsense going on about Hasbro releasing third party figures back when Generations Arcee was revealed? It looks so much like IGear's Delicate Warrior and/or Impossible Toys' Valkyrie. However they were all based on the unreleased Titanium Arcee prototype so of course they'd all look alike. So now, as it was then, Hasbro is copying Hasbro and not a third party as they're also copying Hasbro.

I just bought Generations Brainstorm in a lot on Ebay several hours ago even though I knew this was being released. That voyager is just too good looking not to own even with a newer version coming out regardless of which one is more "accurate". I have room for both in my collection as the deluxe almost looks like a different character entirely compared to the voyager...and the Autobots could always use more air support as I've noticed from recently separating my figures by land/air/beast alt modes. We also need WAY more aquatic based Transformers.

rickdraco wrote:

shajaki wrote:

rickdraco wrote:Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

Have you considered ordering the TakaraTomy full sets (Unite Warriors) from the likes of HLJ or AmiAmi? Their prices are quite cheap but I've no idea what the shipping would be like from JPY to UK though...

I have considered it, but unfortunately I can't afford to spend that much in a single purchase. Wish I could, as I would LOVE to get Bruticus as a complete set. I also expect it to be impossible to get the G2 Menasor and Superion reasonably in the uk.

Maybe you could try going to a convention, or maybe ask someone in the uk sightings thread to help you get them...

Alpha Weltall wrote:We also need WAY more aquatic based Transformers.

Seacons??? HMMM???

william-james88 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:
Grimlock still remained a beast to robot. The gathering is a tie in to sell toys and extend the story of beast wars but the essential thing is grimlock remained a carnivorous dinosaur to robot. Not a headmaster. That's actually a massive change.

I think the Transformers Brand has made it awfully clear that the only true G1 toys you would be getting are the actual Hasbro G1 toys. If you want moderized G1 and nothing but, then Takara has the Masterpiece line. Outside of G1 and Masterpiece, there are no rules. Where were you guys when Rodimus became a micromaster? Or when Optimus became a triple changer dragon? Or when Blurr was just a retool of Drift as a normal earth car? Thats as much a huge change sicne tha character was always about his fast sleek futuristic altmode. Like making G1 Megatron into a tank instead of a gun, that's an INSANELY HUGE change.

Did we ever actually get an Optimus Prime that was a White Freightliner cab part of the classics line? No. And we wont. Why arent we going cray over that?! The Generations toy are of the G1 characters, sure but that is a starting point, just inspiration, their point is never to actually give you G1 again, because G1 already exists.

To me, this line is the same as Animated, Prime, or the movie line. It's a new take on G1 characters adn thats what it's always been.

Didn't buy the likes of that micromaster rodimus. Leader megatron is heavily influenced between g1 and idw so that only strengthens my argument.

As I said this line is based off of g1 and idw. Not sure if you read the comics or not but they're pretty g1 in the comic designs. NOWHERE in the comics or previous media have galvatron, sentinel prime, blurr, scourge or astrotrain been headmasters.

I'd understand if there's many different versions of the characters to spawn variety but each character in this titan returns line hasn't really got much spotlight and therefore should not be a headmaster in a first or second outing.

I'm here. I'd question myself as a fan if I was happy to get a headmaster to characters that haven't gotten much spotlight and such a massive change.

I'm entitled to my opinion.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

rickdraco wrote:

shajaki wrote:

rickdraco wrote:Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

Have you considered ordering the TakaraTomy full sets (Unite Warriors) from the likes of HLJ or AmiAmi? Their prices are quite cheap but I've no idea what the shipping would be like from JPY to UK though...

I have considered it, but unfortunately I can't afford to spend that much in a single purchase. Wish I could, as I would LOVE to get Bruticus as a complete set. I also expect it to be impossible to get the G2 Menasor and Superion reasonably in the uk.

Maybe you could try going to a convention, or maybe ask someone in the uk sightings thread to help you get them...

That is a fantastic idea, and I would honestly LOVE to get the opportunity to go to a con.. but sadly at the moment financially and physically it's not on the cards. The UK sightings board though, tomorrow I am going to be looking through!

My plan, unless there's a shift in the IDW fiction(the current fiction I'm beholden to), is to treat traditionally non-headmaster characters as their normal selves in bot mode and pretend the Titanmaster figures that pilot vehicle mode are simply a type of holomatter avatar.

I've been able to come to terms with non-combiners being combiners easily enough, I don't foresee a problem with Titans Return. Toys are gonna get whacky, just how it goes. You can work yourself up all day long, but why not try to have some fun with it instead?

rickdraco wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

rickdraco wrote:

shajaki wrote:

rickdraco wrote:Heh, indeed, Hooray for the Internet. And Thanks for the welcome, I have been a lurker and reader of the boards for years, but it's only recently I have actually started to post at all. It's just a shame that internet prices get inflated. My best friend has been working on getting a full Menasor, now only needing Dead End.. but the cheapest one available is £23.. the RRP of a Voyager figure in the UK!

Have you considered ordering the TakaraTomy full sets (Unite Warriors) from the likes of HLJ or AmiAmi? Their prices are quite cheap but I've no idea what the shipping would be like from JPY to UK though...

I have considered it, but unfortunately I can't afford to spend that much in a single purchase. Wish I could, as I would LOVE to get Bruticus as a complete set. I also expect it to be impossible to get the G2 Menasor and Superion reasonably in the uk.

Maybe you could try going to a convention, or maybe ask someone in the uk sightings thread to help you get them...

That is a fantastic idea, and I would honestly LOVE to get the opportunity to go to a con.. but sadly at the moment financially and physically it's not on the cards. The UK sightings board though, tomorrow I am going to be looking through!

Yeah, that'd be the place to go for finding these things, maybe if all you did was pay someone to mail them to you

SillySpringer wrote:

Alpha Weltall wrote:We also need WAY more aquatic based Transformers.

Seacons??? HMMM???

If only.

They even have their own repaints into different characters and then another set of repaints that isn't just G2. I'd love an army of Seacons in any one of their three color schemes. I've already went on about how easy it would be to get EVERY beast combiner out of only a few base molds and retools. There's no excuse why we haven't gotten any yet.