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RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

RAR wrote:As it stands I'm almost back to being like it was in the Galaxy Force Period - in that it's not worth me buying the Western toys when the Japanese ones cost the same sort of money and have a lot more paint on them or other reasons to prioritise them (like unique accessories in the case of the Headmasters).

You don't get unique accessories. Just bundles with Titanmaster vehicles without their Titanmasters which makes them kinda incomplete like ZeroWolf already said.
And they have different headsculpts.
I'll stick with the releases this time because I don't like the Takara headsculpts and I want the seperate Titanmasters.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

I like the robot mode very much the Shuttle mode isn't fantastic but gains a few brownie points for having a resemblance to a pre-existing vintage Takara Brave toy I guess.

Yes, the need to have the headmaster sit in a compartment completely ruins the train mode and the proportions it was goin' for (just look at those tiny doors and walkways - that is an astrotrain that can carry devs )

What are "devs"?

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

I like the robot mode very much the Shuttle mode isn't fantastic but gains a few brownie points for having a resemblance to a pre-existing vintage Takara Brave toy I guess.

Yes, the need to have the headmaster sit in a compartment completely ruins the train mode and the proportions it was goin' for (just look at those tiny doors and walkways - that is an astrotrain that can carry devs )

What are "devs"?

Devs, the generally accepted shorthand for devastator, referencing the '86 movie where he's chillin' all up in Astrotrain, because, screw physics, or something

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

So when they change modes the Titanmasters appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere?!
I like it a bit more realistic. And please no comparissons now what else isn't realistic in the Transformers universe.

And you can store the HFGs in the vehicle modes.

i still find it stupid as to why Ravage turns into a bird!

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

So when they change modes the Titanmasters appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere?!
I like it a bit more realistic. And please no comparissons now what else isn't realistic in the Transformers universe.

And you can store the HFGs in the vehicle modes.

Only some of them can look good while doing so. I'm just saying the full on compartment look kinda ruins a lot fo the figures, I mean, look at how megs stands on galvatrons cannon mode, they could've done something akin to that. I dunno man, my problem is that it just really ruins the train look, and that saddens me

Stuartmaximus wrote:i still find it stupid as to why Ravage turns into a bird!

It's not a bird, it's clearly a jet mode

They all conform to the same specifications: a tablet mode, a vehicle mode, and a 'beast'/bot mode

Stuartmaximus wrote:i still find it stupid as to why Ravage turns into a bird!

Jet, so he is a triple changer who can get around on his own, like how others have tank or taser-skateboard extra modes

& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

now what was it a while back that one of the staff said on this thread

ah.....yes.....that there wouldn't hardly BE any repaints in this line.

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

Stripes IS Steeljaw, just renamed. I guess they did that because the new Steeljaw is a Decepticon (since AoE).

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

now what was it a while back that one of the staff said on this thread

ah.....yes.....that there wouldn't hardly BE any repaints in this line.

As was pointed out earlier to my mistake, Ravage does have a new head despite what the 3D rendering says, as Rumble did.

And yes, there are fewer repaints in this line, but you seem to be missing a big point about the cassetticons and bots: they all share about 3 molds with different heads in some cases. So this argument is invalid, as these guys are supposed to be this much alike. Also, if you look at the larger figures, so far we are running pretty good with repaints/retools. Yes there are some, but we have some good molds coming out and some of the cases actually make sense too.

So don't go bashing about there being repaints. they happen. Many of the characters being done in the legends like are and always have been repaints/retools.

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

So, I'm guessing you didn't read the part in the news article (and later in the thread for that matter) where I specifically drew attention to the fact that the render uses the incorrect head, and that the new head had already been seen in the Australian Toyfair pics

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

So when they change modes the Titanmasters appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere?!
I like it a bit more realistic. And please no comparissons now what else isn't realistic in the Transformers universe.

And you can store the HFGs in the vehicle modes.

Only some of them can look good while doing so. I'm just saying the full on compartment look kinda ruins a lot fo the figures, I mean, look at how megs stands on galvatrons cannon mode, they could've done something akin to that. I dunno man, my problem is that it just really ruins the train look, and that saddens me

To me Megs/Nucleon just standing on the cannon mode is just dumb. And I like the train mode very much how it is. To me the cockpit ruins the shuttle mode. It makes it look a bit like a Stardestroyer from SW.

Stuartmaximus wrote:now what was it a while back that one of the staff said on this thread

ah.....yes.....that there wouldn't hardly BE any repaints in this line.

No, hasbro said there would be repaints only where logical (and probably at least 2 per mold)

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

Stripes IS Steeljaw, just renamed. I guess they did that because the new Steeljaw is a Decepticon (since AoE).

ok....my mistake

but there ARE quite a few repaints in this line

another example....Darkmoon is a repaint of Infinitus.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Only some of them can look good while doing so. I'm just saying the full on compartment look kinda ruins a lot fo the figures, I mean, look at how megs stands on galvatrons cannon mode, they could've done something akin to that. I dunno man, my problem is that it just really ruins the train look, and that saddens me

To me Megs/Nucleon just standing on the cannon mode is just dumb. And I like the train mode very much how it is. To me the cockpit ruins the shuttle mode. It makes it look a bit like a Stardestroyer from SW.

Well, at least it makes sense on the ship mode, but man, I hope Cybertron was built without tunnels, otherwise, that won't end well

Stuartmaximus wrote:but there ARE quite a few repaints in this line

another example....Darkmoon is a repaint of Infinitus.

Just like any other figure, the head (or in this case headmaster) is tied to the mold of the figure, just like how the hfg's were tied to specific cw figures

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:but there ARE quite a few repaints in this line

another example....Darkmoon is a repaint of Infinitus.

Just like any other figure, the head (or in this case headmaster) is tied to the mold of the figure, just like how the hfg's were tied to specific cw figures

And these are guys who have not been headmasters before, so there is no specific look they need to try to live up to

well....we're probably going to get over saturated with those!

as was the case with CW

Stuartmaximus wrote:well....we're probably going to get over saturated with those!

as was the case with CW

If you look at the massive amount of heads that we will be getting with figures and individually, we will have a very large amount already. Having some look like others is not a bad thing, especially when there are so many different figures. And the little robots mode's arent the big draw: the actual head mode is

& then you're got Astrotrain retooled from Sentinel Prime, Blurr retooled into Brainstorm, then the Blaster/Soundwave retool/repaints

Hasbro isn't exactly winning any awards for originality

Stuartmaximus wrote:& then you're got Astrotrain retooled from Sentinel Prime, Blurr retooled into Brainstorm, then the Blaster/Soundwave retool/repaints

Hasbro isn't exactly winning any awards for originality

But again remember: Blaster and Soundwave share a very similar alt mode and robot modes, so that one makes sense. Blurr and Brainstorm are heavy retools from one another, and we already have an original Brainstorm from Thrilling 30. Astrotrain was the intention and we got a bonus Sentinel Prime for the first time from that mold. And so far we have 7 revealed deluxes with only 1 retool, 4 voyagers with only 1 retool, and 3 leaders, 2 of which are retools, and the retools (save Astrotrain) are all fairly extensive. Overall, we are running about average when compared to Thrilling 30, generations, and previous lines.