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D-Maximus_Primal wrote: It's the same skeleton. I want a different skeleton. 3 times in around a year is too much. It's boring and shows a lack of creativity.

I agree. For me, it takes part of the fun away. You dont feel you are discovering a new toy when you play with it. You already have an idea of where everything goes before you even play with it, its less fun. I mean if all we wanted was a charater representation of every car bot, then why not just put different heads on the chromedome mold and be done with it. Does that sound fun to anyone?

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:If Nautica were to share a mold with Brainstorm and Blurr, I can't believe it. That mold already has 2 different uses.

Yeah, thats totally unheard of, I mean the Dead End mold was only used for Dead End and Streetwise right? Oh, wait..

And this is the reason for it. While I adore combiners, that much mold reuse actually did tire me out. They form combiners so the individual modes are kinda lost to me mainly for the combined mode (but only partially) so I could get over it.

now when they have no choice but to be individuals, then it becomes bothersome. In Thrilling 30, they used the Bee mold 3 times, one for bee, one for Goldbug, one for Nightbeat. I only bought nightbeat, and it seemed odd to use that mold when it already had 2 good uses with minimum retooling.

a similar thing goes for combiner wars in a different way. Will said he felt the aerialbots were all some sort of baseline skeleton. well, using that example that all the aerialbots were the same mold just retooled, it was boring to have the individuals. They all transform the same and while they look different they are just too similar to really enjoy.

So really, yes the molds can look different and there can be a lot of retooling. but I would prefer have another mold get reused for another character than have a mold be used 3 times in the same line.

Also, do we now realize that essentially, if we go by what the podcast says since it is coming true a lot, that we almost know the entire first 4 waves of TR before it is even released, let alone put up for preorder besides the wave 1 leaders? That hits me as ridiculous

Fellow Transformers fan and Facebook user SunSon Son has shared some images of the upcoming Titans Return Leader Class figure Blaster, showing some of the the Titan Master features, such as storage, the head mode and more. Check them out mirrored below!

Sweet Primus are you people PICKY!!! These look AMAZING! I mean we're actually getting incredibly cool looking, actually articulate head/targetmaster toys!

What more do you want?

Now I'm not saying everything Hasbro churns out is great (repaints are particularly frustrating) but I mean come ON! The only thing here that looks even remotely questionable is that Megatron and even then I want to see better shots of him before I pass judgment.

I'm also not saying you have to like everything but don't dump on something just because you're not interested. Just ignore it.

As Peter Griffin said (paraphrased):

DON'T BE NEGATRON!!!

Blaster looks absolutely incredible. I don't even care much for the character itself but I'm super excited for him. Can't wait to pair him up with scrounge

blaster does look really cool! I can dig it!

I think I've warmed more to that Blaster design. It does look kinda neat.

I don't think he'll replace Label Blaster in my collection. And I don't think I'll get him or Soundwave. But I'm warming up to it.

Worst. Cockpit. Ever.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Also, do we now realize that essentially, if we go by what the podcast says since it is coming true a lot, that we almost know the entire first 4 waves of TR before it is even released, let alone put up for preorder besides the wave 1 leaders? That hits me as ridiculous

Yeah but we didnt see anything. We knew the 3 waves of CW before the first wave reached everyone but we only saw Defensor later. I dont feel this is any different. We still dont know the entirety of 2017 wave 2 yet.

I don't like that Blaster at all.


Kudos to those that do though.

steals_your_goats wrote:Blaster looks absolutely incredible. I don't even care much for the character itself but I'm super excited for him. Can't wait to pair him up with scrounge

Yeah, he really gives m that nice beefy Blaster vibe. That mold really works well with Blaster, who was always meant to be boxy. He will be great to go up against the Decepticon Leader Seekers!

HOW IN THE NAME Of PRIMUS IS HE GETTING THE STUFF EARLY!!!

uugh don't show me these pictures. I decided I wasn't getting blaster and now.....uuuuugggghhhhhhhh

ultraprime0914 wrote:HOW IN THE NAME Of PRIMUS IS HE GETTING THE STUFF EARLY!!!

He didnt get it at reatail. Blaster has been finished since last year and I am sure some samples have slipped from the factories within this time. Happens for every toy.

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Generator_G1 wrote:Latest podcast already up.

1. Legends Chase (repaint of upcoming new legends Bee)
2. Legends Thunderclap
3. Deluxe Fastlane
4. TR Perceptor
5. TR Nautica - remold of TR Blurr
6. TR Quickswitch (remold of TR Sixshot). LEADER class.

Just no. I can't see this being true. If Nautica were to share a mold with Brainstorm and Blurr, I can't believe it. That mold already has 2 different uses. Plus it wouldn't completely work for her character and it would be incredibly boring to have yet a third version of the same mold. Just give her a new mold.

Every other rumor they've put out has been true so it's best to just accept these as true. Also would it be boring to have 3 uses of a mold if they don't look anything alike? Brainstorm and Blurr are very different bots and Nautica would need major retooling so I wouldn't write it off just yet. Not every single character needs to be a new mold, Chromia isn't and look how different she is compared to her mold mate.

Yes but she was an extensive retooling of a figure from several years before, and that mold was only used as her and Arcee in 2 different styles. This mold will supposedly have been used 3 times in a year in 3 different toolings. To me, it's a case of Silverbolt, Cyclonus and UW Scattershot: the same mold, despite retooling, will get boring after a second use. It's the same skeleton. I want a different skeleton. 3 times in around a year is too much. It's boring and shows a lack of creativity.

I don't think it shows a lack of creativity at all. Quite the contrary actually, it takes a lot to imagine two or more characters out of the same base that still look and feel different. Plus with the amount of new molds in this line I'm sure we can swallow the few remolds and repaints they're throwing at us. Not including what we haven't physically seen yet there's 20 brand new molds and only 9 reuses. That's a lot more variety than we got with combiner wars and that's only three waves worth of figures not including titan masters.

This attitude right here is why we are getting so many repaints. Not because Hsbro and Takara can't afford to design/make new molds, but because they know they can turn out lazy copies, and we will buy them!. Not only will we buy them, but we will invent excuses to justify it and any fan that calls bullshit bullshit, gets labled a "Negatron", and told to just be happy with it.

People, if we demanded better, they would give it to us.

All right, I'm done. Rant over. I know I keep saying I'll stay out of this thread, but I can't seem to learn my lesson.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Also, do we now realize that essentially, if we go by what the podcast says since it is coming true a lot, that we almost know the entire first 4 waves of TR before it is even released, let alone put up for preorder besides the wave 1 leaders? That hits me as ridiculous

Yeah but we didnt see anything. We knew the 3 waves of CW before the first wave reached everyone but we only saw Defensor later. I dont feel this is any different. We still dont know the entirety of 2017 wave 2 yet.

We don't know definitively but there's a rumored Kup, topspin, preceptor, the clones ( both autobot and decepticon) Nautica, broadside and tidal wave so we have an idea of what's next

Iron, do you need me to banish you from this thread so you can't come back?

Ironhidensh wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Generator_G1 wrote:Latest podcast already up.

1. Legends Chase (repaint of upcoming new legends Bee)
2. Legends Thunderclap
3. Deluxe Fastlane
4. TR Perceptor
5. TR Nautica - remold of TR Blurr
6. TR Quickswitch (remold of TR Sixshot). LEADER class.

Just no. I can't see this being true. If Nautica were to share a mold with Brainstorm and Blurr, I can't believe it. That mold already has 2 different uses. Plus it wouldn't completely work for her character and it would be incredibly boring to have yet a third version of the same mold. Just give her a new mold.

Every other rumor they've put out has been true so it's best to just accept these as true. Also would it be boring to have 3 uses of a mold if they don't look anything alike? Brainstorm and Blurr are very different bots and Nautica would need major retooling so I wouldn't write it off just yet. Not every single character needs to be a new mold, Chromia isn't and look how different she is compared to her mold mate.

Yes but she was an extensive retooling of a figure from several years before, and that mold was only used as her and Arcee in 2 different styles. This mold will supposedly have been used 3 times in a year in 3 different toolings. To me, it's a case of Silverbolt, Cyclonus and UW Scattershot: the same mold, despite retooling, will get boring after a second use. It's the same skeleton. I want a different skeleton. 3 times in around a year is too much. It's boring and shows a lack of creativity.

I don't think it shows a lack of creativity at all. Quite the contrary actually, it takes a lot to imagine two or more characters out of the same base that still look and feel different. Plus with the amount of new molds in this line I'm sure we can swallow the few remolds and repaints they're throwing at us. Not including what we haven't physically seen yet there's 20 brand new molds and only 9 reuses. That's a lot more variety than we got with combiner wars and that's only three waves worth of figures not including titan masters.

This attitude right here is why we are getting so many repaints. Not because Hsbro and Takara can't afford to design/make new molds, but because they know they can turn out lazy copies, and we will buy them!. Not only will we buy them, but we will invent excuses to justify it and any fan that calls POOP POOP, gets labled a "Negatron", and told to just be happy with it.

People, if we demanded better, they would give it to us.

All right, I'm done. Rant over. I know I keep saying I'll stay out of this thread, but I can't seem to learn my lesson.

Yes please blame me for the repaints we get, that totally makes sense it's entirely my fault and others like me. Not like it has anything to do with budgets, manufacturing costs and stuff of that nature.

It's people like you that are ruining this brand. You have this bullshit elitist attitude that everything should be masterpiece quality and everything below that isn't worth anything, and on top of that you shame the people who make peace with what we're getting and don't feel the need to complain about it.

Would I like new molds? You're damn right I would but I live in the real world and I understand that it's not going to happen. They're toys for **** sake, get off your high horse.

steals_your_goats wrote:We don't know definitively but there's a rumored Kup, topspin, preceptor, the clones ( both autobot and decepticon) Nautica, broadside and tidal wave so we have an idea of what's next

Your right. But I dont see much of a difference between knowing that and knowing we were getting combiners for Combienr Wars. We all guessed we would get certain combiners before they were announced. All I mean to say is that I dont feel too spoiled with the rumours, I will still greatly enjoy seeing these toys fully realize when they come out. Just like I dknot mind knowing which Titan Class toys Hasbro currently has in the piepline.

Ironhidensh wrote:This attitude right here is why we are getting so many repaints. Not because Hsbro and Takara can't afford to design/make new molds, but because they know they can turn out lazy copies, and we will buy them!. Not only will we buy them, but we will invent excuses to justify it and any fan that calls POOP POOP, gets labled a "Negatron", and told to just be happy with it.

People, if we demanded better, they would give it to us.

All right, I'm done. Rant over. I know I keep saying I'll stay out of this thread, but I can't seem to learn my lesson.

I like having you around. Because unlike others, you just dont say things SUCK!!!, you actually say why you dislike it. I am guessing, from this, that you arent a fan of Transformers Club toys right? All of them are existing molds repainted as random characters (random for the mold) with new heads (sometimes). And of course, the price is more than double retail. The fact that there was a dedicate fan club with a subscription (meaning people have to pay for all of them and cant pick or choose) pretty much shows that fans dont mind repaints if it means getting some more characters. I just wanted to confirm if you were including that too or if you see what the club does as seperate and not an indication that fans are willing to settle for repaints (and pay more than double for them).

Also, another thing, I know you are into the MP line (as I am) but you gotta admit they are giving us a ton of repaints too. They just announced a whole new line dedicated to cartoon accurate decos of existing MPs like Red Alert. While I dont think this replaces any MPs (since we are still getting the same if not more original molds per year) it does hint that repaints may be necessary even for Takara's MP line, no?

Take care buddy!

Sorry to have started this, I just don't want Nautica to be a retool of Blurr and Brainstorm. To me, that would be the same thing as trying to get a third figure out of Springer and Sandstorm. that mold is a great mold, and they pulled off 2 good figures from it, but I feel a third one would have taken away from the figures.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Sorry to have started this, I just don't want Nautica to be a retool of Blurr and Brainstorm. To me, that would be the same thing as trying to get a third figure out of Springer and Sandstorm. that mold is a great mold, and they pulled off 2 good figures from it, but I feel a third one would have taken away from the figures.

Your generous to think this would be another retool, I think its just gonna be a redeco of one of them.

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:We don't know definitively but there's a rumored Kup, topspin, preceptor, the clones ( both autobot and decepticon) Nautica, broadside and tidal wave so we have an idea of what's next

Your right. But I dont see much of a difference between knowing that and knowing we were getting combiners for Combienr Wars. We all guessed we would get certain combiners before they were announced. All I mean to say is that I dont feel too spoiled with the rumours, I will still greatly enjoy seeing these toys fully realize when they come out. Just like I dknot mind knowing which Titan Class toys Hasbro currently has in the piepline.

I can't quite say I see it that way. If a line of Combiners or Headmasters is announced, there's ones you are naturally gonna expect right off the bat - for Combiners they're obviously going to prioritize Devastator and the first four Scramble City dudes; they were the first ones and easily some of the most popular. The only surprises in particular were Sky Lynx, an Optimus Combiner, some of the Leader toys and then boxsets that aren't even part of the main line like Computron and Liokaiser.

Headmasters? Well, naturally one's going to expect Chromedome, Highbrow, Brainstorm, Hardhead, Mindwipe, Weirdwolf and Skullcruncher. I don't think anyone here was particularly surprised to learn "woah, they're doing a HEADMASTER WEIRDWOLF in a line MADE FOR HEADMASTERS?!". It was a really cool reveal because we had no idea what it would look like and it looks AWESOME, but the fact it exists in any form is no surprise.
The Targetmasters, 1988 Headmasters and some Powermasters thrown in may be the next guesses. But who the heck was expecting Topspin? Perceptor? Overlord??? They were probably on SOMEONE's wishlist - ie mine though I'm still cool with 2010 Percy - but I certainly wasn't expecting them any time soon.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Sorry to have started this, I just don't want Nautica to be a retool of Blurr and Brainstorm. To me, that would be the same thing as trying to get a third figure out of Springer and Sandstorm. that mold is a great mold, and they pulled off 2 good figures from it, but I feel a third one would have taken away from the figures.

I apologize for my outburst just now, I don't think you have anything to be sorry for I wasn't trying to argue with you about anything I was just showing the other side to the repaint coin. Obviously a new mold would be preferred but what if instead of blurr they used scourge for Nautica's base, would you feel better about that?

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Sorry to have started this, I just don't want Nautica to be a retool of Blurr and Brainstorm. To me, that would be the same thing as trying to get a third figure out of Springer and Sandstorm. that mold is a great mold, and they pulled off 2 good figures from it, but I feel a third one would have taken away from the figures.

Your generous to think this would be another retool, I think its just gonna be a redeco of one of them.

Don't go scaring the boy now will we have to be optimistic that they would at least try to retool the body to look more like her.

I do understand wanting more original molds but money is a finite thing, they could offer unique molds but there would be a catch that I wonder how many would accept. Higher prices.

Don't know and I wouldn't like to guess how much they would add on to satisfy themselves for the extra costs of making new molds.

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Sorry to have started this, I just don't want Nautica to be a retool of Blurr and Brainstorm. To me, that would be the same thing as trying to get a third figure out of Springer and Sandstorm. that mold is a great mold, and they pulled off 2 good figures from it, but I feel a third one would have taken away from the figures.

I apologize for my outburst just now, I don't think you have anything to be sorry for I wasn't trying to argue with you about anything I was just showing the other side to the repaint coin. Obviously a new mold would be preferred but what if instead of blurr they used scourge for Nautica's base, would you feel better about that?

Scourge would be... incredibly bizarre and I don't think it'd be a good fit for Nautica at all; but I'll just assume you're only using him as an off-the-top-of-your-head example of "what if instead of retooling her from a guy that already has a retool, she was retooled from someone who doesn't have a retool already"?
In which case yeah, I would of course prefer it. I am still being blown away by the extent of just how well Hasbro has done their Retools recently - as I keep saying, aside from the thighs torso mode Bruticus looks NOTHING like torso mode Defensor - but having 2 uses for a mold and 2 uses for another mold as opposed to 3 uses for a mold and 1 use for another would work better for me; it'd make each figure more unique in a weird roundabout way.