Beast Wars seasons 2 and 3: Considered the greatest pieces of Transformers cartoon writing in the Western World... A major flop in Japan.Skritz wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Pics of Japanes Earthrise Wave 2 - https://hobby.dengeki.com/news/892663/
Trip-Up & Daddy-O, Wheeljack, and Ironworks.
Unlike the Hasbro release of Trip-Up & Daddy-O, which will be a mass retail release, the TakaraTomy version will instead be sold as a TakaraTomy Mall exclusive, much like how both Soundbarrier and Grapple will be as well, despite their Hasbro versions also being mass retail.
I guess Siege wasn't as much of a success in Japan that more and more of its successor line's product is being relegated to TTM instead of normal retail.
We live in weird times when the Japanese toyline is 'worse'.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
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Yet, Season 1 got the same treatment and it was a hit.Skritz wrote:That's because Beast Wars in Japan was made into a comedic dub, in a rare reversal of the cliche of 'Americans dumb down anime'.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
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Sabrblade wrote:Yet, Season 1 got the same treatment and it was a hit.Skritz wrote:That's because Beast Wars in Japan was made into a comedic dub, in a rare reversal of the cliche of 'Americans dumb down anime'.
...which clashed with the more serious season 2, 3 and Beast Machine. Poor Beast Wars.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by ZeroWolf Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:27 pm
Though is there anyway to find out how well Siege did over there? Anyone have any contact with Japanese fans?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by blackeyedprime Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:44 pm
The second hand stores didn't have Siege either but that could be a case of anything they got being sold online as soon as it came in.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by Skritz Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:19 pm
Maybe they'll never bother risking such a large price point on characters like Overlord again, given how he warmed shelves.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
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Skritz wrote:You know, as much as I'm the guy who want them to show up in CHUG I'm starting to think we will never see Star Saber or Deathsaurus. Titans Return was the line where the obscure Japanese G1 characters got brand new mold (I'd argue Sixshot count, even if he was in the Rebirth) and were released at the Leader price point. None of these guys sold particularly well and the Leader class since has been nothing but heavy hitters for mass retail: Orion Pax/Optimus Prime, Hot Rod/Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, Shockwave and Astrotrain. The exceptions are Optimus Primal (due to the fan vote) and Galaxy Convoy who, granted, was a retool and technically just another form of Optimus Prime.
Maybe they'll never bother risking such a large price point on characters like Overlord again, given how he warmed shelves.
I think part of the issue is that Overlord and Sky Shadow both had weirder transformations with the splitting in half to form different vehicle modes. POTP is different because it was designed around Primes, but I think we might get lucky later down the line. I hope anyway
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by SiegeFan Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:09 pm
He's around £22 in Smyths right now from memory. I really like how he was used in the previous IDW comics and I still wouldn't buy him, even at that price.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by Skritz Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:09 pm
That said Overlord still looks good and so is Black Shadow. They are just very block and brickish compared to the smaller but more articulate "Voyager+" figures of Siege.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by SiegeFan Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:24 pm
ZeroWolf wrote:I would be tempted for overlord at that price
Still reasonably available across the UK
https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toy ... d/p/172464
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
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Sabrblade wrote:
this is the one I want
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Skritz wrote:Technically one can have any Seeker they want from any seeker mold so long as they have enough paint, skill and patience!
I'd rather someone else do it better
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by Fuseflow Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:48 am
Assuming earthrise follows a similar pattern to release as Siege, we should get some surprise deluxe characters each wave.
In siege it was
Wave 1 - Cog
Wave 2 - Sixgun, Chromia
Wave 3 - Brunt
Wave 4 - Barricade, Impactor
We also got Rung too as a Battlemaster
For Earthrise Ironworks appears to be the surprise for wave one. Sound barrier too.
So it’s just an educated guess, but the rest of the siege line should be filled out with the remaining 1984/5 G1 characters but with another 5 surprise characters.
Rumours around Quintessa etc would fit in with this, but I do like the idea of some obscure G1 characters getting a new lease of life along with some characters coming across from the comics / movie verse.
What does everyone think, anyone want to take a guess at surprise characters we might see?
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He's just red ...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by Rodimus Prime Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:15 am
I never got Red Wing, and I don't particularly give a crap about the tetrajet mode, even if I did get Thundercracker and Starscream in Siege (so far, if I find Skywarp loose he's mine too), I always loved the design of the G1 Seekers, especially the robot modes. They're just so pleasing to the eyes, they're perfectly proportional bipedals, and the F-15 is just a gorgeous jet.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:But it is a very attractive red, he looks really good. Doesn't matter that he is a nobody, very few seekers have any personality, he is very pretty
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by AcademyofDrX Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:42 am
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Skritz wrote:You know, as much as I'm the guy who want them to show up in CHUG I'm starting to think we will never see Star Saber or Deathsaurus. Titans Return was the line where the obscure Japanese G1 characters got brand new mold (I'd argue Sixshot count, even if he was in the Rebirth) and were released at the Leader price point. None of these guys sold particularly well and the Leader class since has been nothing but heavy hitters for mass retail: Orion Pax/Optimus Prime, Hot Rod/Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, Shockwave and Astrotrain. The exceptions are Optimus Primal (due to the fan vote) and Galaxy Convoy who, granted, was a retool and technically just another form of Optimus Prime.
Maybe they'll never bother risking such a large price point on characters like Overlord again, given how he warmed shelves.
I think part of the issue is that Overlord and Sky Shadow both had weirder transformations with the splitting in half to form different vehicle modes. POTP is different because it was designed around Primes, but I think we might get lucky later down the line. I hope anyway
There's gotta be a zero percent chance that Deathsaurus gets released in a mainstream commercial line, and I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Star Saber either. The best bet would be releases in Generations Selects as retools of other characters. The biggest challenge I see for that is their builds are each very unique. Deathsaurus has the Breastforce components, but even excluding that, you're still talking about a dragon to humanoid transformation. There are a few of them across various US toylines, like BW and RiD Megatrons, but nothing that looks close. Takara certainly could do a unique mold, but would the sales make up for the cost?
Star Saber might be easier, since there are plenty of spaceships in Transformers, even if none of them look like him. But even in this case, how do you represent the complexity of the original toy, especially the combination with Leo? It seems like to wind up with something practical, they would have to make sacrifices that would undermine the original appeal.
I would claim that I don't understand the enthusiasm for CHUG versions of characters that weren't released in my region's toylines, but I personally would really like to see Rotorstorm and Thunderclash, so I can't judge.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread
Posted by ZeroWolf Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:26 pm
Skritz wrote:Well, for Victory Leo its a lot simpler if you realize he's basically just a Weaponizer anyway!
Exactly! Even better when you think that they have a selects repaint in the form of Black Victory Starsaber from Robot Masters!
Also Selects (given hasbro initiative here) has been repaints and headswaps, so I doubt Starsaber would end up there unless Takara announced it.
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