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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:17 pm

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There are definitely a few visual flaws to Ironhide's van mode... The random-looking black black boxes on the sides, the lack of windows towards the back, and the hinge under the windshield (of anything that was possible, what isn't that red instead of gray?)... On top of the back looking really awkward with his feet hanging out.

Thankfully none of this matters much to me since he'll never be in his alt mode anyway.
I'm still more than happy with the look of the bot mode.
Speaking of bot modes, I've recently seen some of the CW (and maybe PotP) figures; and talk about compromised design... Characters like Hound and Smokescreen look horrible compared to these ER figures!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:18 pm

sol magnus wrote:You guys fly to 3P at the drop of a hat.

Maybe someone will make some feet or partsform the back of the van.

Well. Can you blame me?

Partsforming a solution isn't something I'm into. That's alright for the shield, but not for feet.

TBH, it almost makes me want to cancel my preorder.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:45 pm

Motto: "They wanna play my emotions, but I'm like the ocean-- too calm to get upset by somebody's notion."
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Gauntlet101010 wrote:
sol magnus wrote:You guys fly to 3P at the drop of a hat.

Maybe someone will make some feet or partsform the back of the van.

Well. Can you blame me?

Partsforming a solution isn't something I'm into. That's alright for the shield, but not for feet.

TBH, it almost makes me want to cancel my preorder.


It is a little annoying that the photos (at least that I've seen) have been taken from an angle that minimizes the back of the van...
I also don't think this is the best Ironhide that we'll end up seeing compared to where they are with the design of the something like the seeker mold.
But I'm holding on to my preorder... I still say the bot mode makes it worth it. In fact strictly talking bot mode, there isn't a whole lot more that can be improved here imo.
One thought I had that was a nudge to preorder was this: by the time we get a new design, is it going to be that much better anyway, and at what cost increase?

Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes with these toys I really almost start thinking. "Huh... This doesn't make much sense... This could've been better... Why isn't it?? Oh yeah, Hastak is waitng for a couple years to release the same character again with these types of improvements at a higher cost to maintain or increase their profit margin".
This isn't to suggest I think every flaw had some easy fix...
But it almost seems that sometimes the design team is told, "Hey y'all, the work is great... Too great... Let's back it down and remember there's always the next time; let's file a couple of these fixes away for the next release in a couple years. Now, who's in for lunch at Panera?"
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:10 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:
sol magnus wrote:You guys fly to 3P at the drop of a hat.

Maybe someone will make some feet or partsform the back of the van.

Well. Can you blame me?

Partsforming a solution isn't something I'm into. That's alright for the shield, but not for feet.

TBH, it almost makes me want to cancel my preorder.

I don't blame you, but for myself my 'bots are displayed in robot mode so the van doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:23 pm

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i'm surprised they didnt make ironhide a voyager class with that van roof it looks like it adds a good amount of plastic
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:13 pm

It'll be in bot mode for me too, but having a great bot mode and a so-so alt mode just robs the toy of half the fun. I want something I'm totally satisfied with. That I won't want to replace a couple of years down the line.

But I don't think they're going to make this version of Ironhide at this scale. So I may hold my nose on this one and get it. Because I have a feeling that this is it for G1 Ironhide at THIS scale.

Still. That vehicle mode. I think it's worse than the Universe mold. Sure the universe mold looks like a jigsaw puzzle, but at least it doesn't have robot feet sticking out the rear end. I'm just so disappointed in this. It's ... so almost a pass.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:13 pm

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hopefuly more effort will go into Ratchet but if not then fingers crossed for RED versions, my collections waited this long with out a Ratchet it doesnt mind waiting a bit longer.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:50 pm

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That settles it! I no longer care what any official packaging or media says. Sky Lynx's combined beast mode is totally a pointy-nosed dragon! :P
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:02 pm

Motto: "They wanna play my emotions, but I'm like the ocean-- too calm to get upset by somebody's notion."
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Gauntlet101010 wrote:It'll be in bot mode for me too, but having a great bot mode and a so-so alt mode just robs the toy of half the fun. I want something I'm totally satisfied with. That I won't want to replace a couple of years down the line.

But I don't think they're going to make this version of Ironhide at this scale. So I may hold my nose on this one and get it. Because I have a feeling that this is it for G1 Ironhide at THIS scale.

Still. That vehicle mode. I think it's worse than the Universe mold. Sure the universe mold looks like a jigsaw puzzle, but at least it doesn't have robot feet sticking out the rear end. I'm just so disappointed in this. It's ... so almost a pass.


I totally get it... And that's part of the point I was making in my previous post... It's like when you see a seriously stupid commercial on tv and think, "Who the F thought that this was a good idea, and pushed it forward to actually paying people to make it happen?"
That's almost how I feel about those van feet... Like, that's it? That's the look the designers are happy with?? Other people in the company saw it and thought, "Yup, looks good."???
I do understand he's a large "deluxe"... But damn, figure out the alt mode and then charge $10 more for him. They want $20 for Cliffjumper, so yeah, I would pay $30 for that Ironhide, especially sans van feet.
But this is why I start to think there's f#ckery involved... It's the "well it's good enough, and there's always next time to make more money" mentality.
And sorry, it's 2020... It's really difficult to accept "reasons" why stuff like this happens.
Then I also remind myself, these are toys... On top of the choice to purchase or not.
I don't blame people for passing on figures for reasons like this. I've done it a ton myself.

Last thing I'll say is while we know this character will get made again sometime in the future, what little gimmick is it going to have that potentially compromises the design again?
In the grand scheme, a lot of the ER figures are pretty solid.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:04 pm

Motto: "They wanna play my emotions, but I'm like the ocean-- too calm to get upset by somebody's notion."
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Sabrblade wrote:That settles it! I no longer care what any official packaging or media says. Sky Lynx's combined beast mode is totally a pointy-nosed dragon! :P


Wait, what does packaging/media claim is the combined mode?
That has to be a robot dragon!!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:13 pm

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Ultra Markus wrote:i'm surprised they didnt make ironhide a voyager class with that van roof it looks like it adds a good amount of plastic
That's probably why he's an exclusive.

The thing about Ironhide's feet should have been obvious already. :roll:
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Every image we've had of him has shown that A. He has the same feet as SIEGE Ironhide and B. The shield is in no way capable of covering them.
And that vehicle mode render - just look at it!

It seriously took you all til the stolen copy review to notice?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:03 am

I will say... as much as the "red windows" pissed me off at first... realizing they're the front of his legs... I was like "oh... that's why".
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:15 am

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So, these images of a potential Earthrise Bluestreak just leaked on TFW with the source as an eBay listing. It could be fake, but it's worth noting that the render pose is different than Smokescreen's. Honestly, disappointed with how it looks, but it could be worse.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:40 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:44 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I really hope we get an actual blue Bluestreak in Selects. This one looks bland.

I hope so too. That's my preferred color scheme for him, but I suspect this might be Selects due to Smokescreen being standard retail, and Prowl being the exclusive. Granted, I hope this one is fake overall just due to the Smokescreen head and bumper, rather than using the Prowl version of the mold
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Primal » Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:08 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I really hope we get an actual blue Bluestreak in Selects. This one looks bland.

I hope so too. That's my preferred color scheme for him, but I suspect this might be Selects due to Smokescreen being standard retail, and Prowl being the exclusive. Granted, I hope this one is fake overall just due to the Smokescreen head and bumper, rather than using the Prowl version of the mold

I thought the running theory was that Bluestreak would be this year's Walgreen's exclusive?

I would also like to point out that the eBay listing these renders came from lists Bluestreak as E32, which is one of the two missing ER numbers in the exclusives so far, and that both Siege and Netflix Red Alert have the wrong heads in his/their renders, so Bluestreak could still potentially use the right head sculpt instead of Smokescreen's head.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:31 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:It seriously took you all til the stolen copy review to notice?

Yeah, I guess it did, lol. :lol:

I actually don't know if I like it more than the Henkei one I already have. I feel like I have to justify a purchase a lot. But I dislike Universe Prowl quite a bit and I wanna replace that. So...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:07 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:14 am

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, I guess it did, lol. :lol:

I actually don't know if I like it more than the Henkei one I already have. I feel like I have to justify a purchase a lot. But I dislike Universe Prowl quite a bit and I wanna replace that. So...


Same... I didn't really like anything from Siege so I didn't pay attention much. Plus Ironhide's alt mode looked different enough imo that the feet at the back didn't even visually stand out that much.

I like the Universe Prowl mold for the most part, although the proportions are almost too human.
This ER version is pretty solid, but I do think Ironhide's bot mode is substantially better than the Universe one. Then with the set being $40 and not $50+, seems worth it for me.

Not sure I'm sold on that Bluestreak. I like the look, even the colors of the legs, but between Prowl and Smokescreen (assuming I end up getting him), not sure I want another Datsun bro.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:16 am

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, these images of a potential Earthrise Bluestreak just leaked on TFW with the source as an eBay listing. It could be fake, but it's worth noting that the render pose is different than Smokescreen's. Honestly, disappointed with how it looks, but it could be worse.

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Yeah, this is obviously just a recolor of the Smokescreen render, even if it is in a "new" pose than what we've seen before with Smokescreen himself. I'm confident that the final figure will use the Prowl molding, minus the light bar, of course. It will also likely use the Prowl head, but I'd be very impressed if Hasbro and Takara Tomy went the extra mile and gave Bluestreak his cartoon head sculpt to further differentiate him from Prowl. The lower legs are odd, btw. Those pieces are clear plastic, as they form the back windshield of the car mode, but they are transparent from the front and magically opaque on the sides in this render. Oops! Maybe they are meant to be "painted" light blue in those spots, but the render makes it look like solidly cast plastic. I don't think there's any reason to paint those over in blue either, as they just used clear blue plastic for Smokescreen and Prowl and colored the parts that are supposed to be opaque in the appropriate colors per their character models.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Jeddostotle7 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:32 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, these images of a potential Earthrise Bluestreak just leaked on TFW with the source as an eBay listing. It could be fake, but it's worth noting that the render pose is different than Smokescreen's. Honestly, disappointed with how it looks, but it could be worse.

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Yeah, this is obviously just a recolor of the Smokescreen render, even if it is in a "new" pose than what we've seen before with Smokescreen himself. I'm confident that the final figure will use the Prowl molding, minus the light bar, of course. It will also likely use the Prowl head, but I'd be very impressed if Hasbro and Takara Tomy went the extra mile and gave Bluestreak his cartoon head sculpt to further differentiate him from Prowl. The lower legs are odd, btw. Those pieces are clear plastic, as they form the back windshield of the car mode, but they are transparent from the front and magically opaque on the sides in this render. Oops! Maybe they are meant to be "painted" light blue in those spots, but the render makes it look like solidly cast plastic. I don't think there's any reason to paint those over in blue either, as they just used clear blue plastic for Smokescreen and Prowl and colored the parts that are supposed to be opaque in the appropriate colors per their character models.

If you look close at the pics for ER Prowl, you'll notice his head actually looks more like cartoon Bluestreak's this time, making me even more confident that this Bluestreak will end up getting that head.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:40 pm

Did someone else already point out the inevitability of an ER Bluestreak since ER Smokescreen has Bluestreak's shoulder cannons, rather than his own from Siege?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Starseeker » Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:24 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Finally played with Leader Doubledealer and I gotta say, I love the fact that it's the G1 original but with better engineering. Leg transformation is a bit annoying and the extra bits are unnecessary. But overall, he amazing and well worth the full price.


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby NTESHFT » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:44 pm

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