The Energon Pub

[LordBludgeon]

Stressing about finding Shockwave at retail? I'm still stressing about the fact the Siege line has yet to hit any retail around me. lol. Believe me, I've been looking. My two local Wal-Marts are still pretty bare after Christmas with Robots in Disguise toys still shelfwarming. My Local Targets are in better shape with some Studio Series and Generations. Finally managed to get Optimal Optimus. But Siege? Haven't hit shelves yet, unless they have and all sold out instantly.

[starrhero]

This thread is swimming in love juices for the new leader Prime...

There is only one Optimus I even remotely like...

Excited to see Omega, but there's one guy that needs to Modernized....
GRANDUS
Well, i hope this guy would come in the trilogy, oh wait, there's micromasters in the trilogy so there are hopes.

A figure for this guy would be great also..

If we're talking about GIANT Transformers, I have another suggestion:



Though that will never happen. Oh well...

As for Galaxy Convoy, he's 100% an instant buy for me. I don't own anything from the Unicron Trilogy and have tried to get anything from the series, rather it be a version of Hot Shot, or Override, etc. Seeing this gives me a good amount of hope that we can expet to see more characters from other generations of the Transformers and like Thew said: "Justify the S in the name Generations.

and yes i know about the couple of beast wars characters we've gotten as well as armada starscream and megatron, but it be nice to get more than just 7 characters from other series.

[Albatross250]

^Perhaps as a legends exclusive, after all they are releasing Big Powered from existing TR toys in the Spring. I'd definitely be up for it, but only if we had a Star Convoy & Sky Garry to go with it.

An interview in the latest Transformers Generations book implied that Big Powered would mark the conclusion of the Legends line.

That's unfortunate. Legends was the last bastion of hope for some really creative releases. I mean Things like the Select Series & Greenlight are cool and all, but I don't see doing anything major like a Metrotitan from Metroplex etc..

Hasbro Takara got unified so there will be a possible, and i really want Grandus to be a titan since there are Micromasters.

[o.supreme]

Hasbro Takara got unified so there will be a possible, and i really want Grandus to be a titan since there are Micromasters.

& are NOT unified. they are still very separate toy companies. They did decide to unify the Transformers brand in that pretty much all releases across all Transformers toy lines will be released the same in Japan as in all other countries Hasbro distributes to.

However this is somewhat of a negative. The uniqueness and upscale price point at which would appeal to older collectors with more unique offerings is not the same with Hasbro. I seriously doubt we will ever see a Gradus release. If we do, I'll be happy to be wrong, but without outlets such as the legends line, it just became substantially less likely

[ZeroWolf]

This thread is swimming in love juices for the new leader Prime...

There is only one Optimus I even remotely like...

Excited to see Omega, but there's one guy that needs to Modernized....
GRANDUS
Well, i hope this guy would come in the trilogy, oh wait, there's micromasters in the trilogy so there are hopes.

A figure for this guy would be great also..

If we're talking about GIANT Transformers, I have another suggestion:



Though that will never happen. Oh well...

As for Galaxy Convoy, he's 100% an instant buy for me. I don't own anything from the Unicron Trilogy and have tried to get anything from the series, rather it be a version of Hot Shot, or Override, etc. Seeing this gives me a good amount of hope that we can expet to see more characters from other generations of the Transformers and like Thew said: "Justify the S in the name Generations.

and yes i know about the couple of beast wars characters we've gotten as well as armada starscream and megatron, but it be nice to get more than just 7 characters from other series.

Who is that?

Now how long till we get pictures of the truck mode. Also an important question, do you think you can mix and match the armour for um and Cybertron Prime?

[ScottyP]

Is it odd to call Him Ligerjack?

because Galaxy Force made his name differently, also Sonic Bomber. (Wing Saber)

Some people got to see Galaxy Force fansubbed in English by TV-Nihon before Cybertron starting airing on TV in English, and so prefer to use the Japanese names instead.

Ligerjack is fine, yeah! Heck, Leobreaker's initial working name was Overcast, since it's Overhaul's upgraded form. Isn't it something like: starts as Overhaul/Overcast, someone changes Overhaul to Trailbreaker, this leads to Trailbreaker/Leobreaker, then last minute Trailbreaker went back to being Overhaul and it was too late to change Leobreaker again? Or maybe they just decided not to? Anyway, the name has a fun history, that's for certain!

[starrhero]

Who is that?

Now how long till we get pictures of the truck mode. Also an important question, do you think you can mix and match the armour for um and Cybertron Prime?

That's Gaea, a version of the Marvel Comic's Generation 1 Earth and the sister of Primus & Unicron featured in Shattered Glass. She ended up fighting the evil Primus.

As for the idea of swapping the UM armor with Cybertron Prime's armor, I wouldn't get my hopes up. I wouldn't be surprised to see that the armor is incompatible due to the retooling. But then again, who knows?

[jtanimator]

OH MY GOOD GOSH YES PLEASE. the original was one of the first Transformers I ever owned over 10 years ago, and I still have him. I lost all of his upgrade kibble, but I still have the main bot. When I heard they were repainting UM to be OP, I was completely uninterested since UM satisfied all my needs, and is a great figure. But now that I know it's upgraded cybertron OP, I WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP MY HANDS OFF HIM. GOSH I LOVE THIS WFC LINE SO MUCH.

Hehem. Sorry got a little excited there.

[Overcracker]

Totally called it back in December when we got the artwork reveal: Full Cybertron Prime super mode down to the chest piece.

https://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/transformers-war-for-cybertron-siege-discussion-thread-p1999890.php#p1999890

It was the obvious choice.

It looks quite nice, and kind of reminds me of the THS-01 Galaxy Force Prime for some reason.

Even though I own the original Cybertron Prime, I'm still enticed enough by this to want to get him.

[o.supreme]

Who is that?

Now how long till we get pictures of the truck mode. Also an important question, do you think you can mix and match the armour for um and Cybertron Prime?

That's Gaea, a version of the Marvel Comic's Generation 1 Earth and the sister of Primus & Unicron featured in Shattered Glass. She ended up fighting the evil Primus.

LOL, the more you know. I remember this from a Botcon 2004 T-Shirt (the design on the shirt was more detailed IIRC)...but I thought ti was just something a fan made up.

[william-james88]

However this is somewhat of a negative. The uniqueness and upscale price point at which would appeal to older collectors with more unique offerings is not the same with Hasbro. I seriously doubt we will ever see a Gradus release. If we do, I'll be happy to be wrong, but without outlets such as the legends line, it just became substantially less likely

What upscale price point? The prices have usually been similar between both companies in their respective countries.
I do agree that they had unique offerrings in their legends line, but Hasbro also had such unique offerings, decos, characters and retools in their generations line, which forced Japanese collectors to pay the very big bucks to import.

[o.supreme]

However this is somewhat of a negative. The uniqueness and upscale price point at which would appeal to older collectors with more unique offerings is not the same with Hasbro. I seriously doubt we will ever see a Gradus release. If we do, I'll be happy to be wrong, but without outlets such as the legends line, it just became substantially less likely

What upscale price point? The prices have usually been similar between both companies in their respective countries.
I do agree that they had unique offerings in their legends line, but Hasbro also had such unique offerings, decos, characters and retools in their generations line, which forced Japanese collectors to pay the very big bucks to import.

That probably wasn't the best use of language, my apologies. What I meant was, when it comes to exclusives - while both & offered them, IMHO, 's offerings were by far more varied and more frequent, and, as we saw with things like Grand Maximus, they are at times, on a larger scale. I seriously doubt now that Hasbro will offer such frequent and varied exclusives as the Legends line did, which is a shame.

I'm very forward about admitting I'm a victim of "Beware what you wish for"...because for a long time I did wish that the releases on both sides would be the same. Only I wished Hasbro would adapt to Takara, not the other way around, which is what we got.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Armorswapping is probably possible, the cab robots look to have the same connectors after all.

Okay, I like how this Optimus turned out.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAxawHaUG8[/youtube]
I can hear the transformation sequence while looking at him, and that is a very good thing.

He'll be lower-priority for me than Magnus and Shockwave because I already have the original (which is more show-accurate and does things this one can't) but I still like how he turned out enough to want him. Probably the best Unicron Trilogy homage in all of CHUG.

Is it odd to call Him Ligerjack?

because Galaxy Force made his name differently, also Sonic Bomber. (Wing Saber)

Some people got to see Galaxy Force fansubbed in English by TV-Nihon before Cybertron starting airing on TV in English, and so prefer to use the Japanese names instead.

Ligerjack is fine, yeah! Heck, Leobreaker's initial working name was Overcast, since it's Overhaul's upgraded form. Isn't it something like: starts as Overhaul/Overcast, someone changes Overhaul to Trailbreaker, this leads to Trailbreaker/Leobreaker, then last minute Trailbreaker went back to being Overhaul and it was too late to change Leobreaker again? Or maybe they just decided not to? Anyway, the name has a fun history, that's for certain!

They probably thought Leobreaker sounded cooler and more fitting than Overcast. Also, here's what Overhaul's Cyber Key Code info has to say on the matter:
[quote="Overhaul's Cyber Key info]
In the original design stage for Transformers: Cybertron, Overhaul was going to be called "Trailbreaker", a popular name from the 1980's. This was to match up with his later upgrade to "Leobreaker" - a lion on the Jungle Planet. His name was changed to Overhaul, but the lion's name stayed the same! A lion would sound kinda funny with the name "Leohaul", right?[/quote]
Regarding Galaxy Force names... I don't care for "Ligerjack" because the sculpt is pretty much entirely leonine; I'm hard pressed to find anything that looks more tiger than lion except for perhaps the tail length.
Also, "Inch Up" is daft

[william-james88]

That probably wasn't the best use of language, my apologies. What I meant was, when it comes to exclusives - while both & offered them, IMHO, 's offerings were by far more varied and more frequent, and, as we saw with things like Grand Maximus, they are at times, on a larger scale. I seriously doubt now that Hasbro will offer such frequent and varied exclusives as the Legends line did, which is a shame.

I'm very forward about admitting I'm a victim of "Beware what you wish for"...because for a long time I did wish that the releases on both sides would be the same. Only I wished Hasbro would adapt to Takara, not the other way around, which is what we got.

I still see there are positives, like another chance to get hard to get Hasbro exclusives (like Throne of the Primes) but i can definitely see where you are coming from. Still though, as you know me I am a big fan of looking at both sides of the coin and I feel we are ignoring something. Hasbro did have huge exclusives that were at a higher price point. We just dont think abou them, but they did and I am 100% certain that if we were to ot down all their big ticket exclusives, we would end up with double Takara's output.

Here are a few high ticket Hasbro exclusives of the past few years:





















These are varried, frequent and at times of a larger scale. Of course, do as many fans care about these? Maybe not. But we werent looking at that.

[Lunatic Prime]

I hope his inner robot has the long rear truck section like the Cybertron Leader, but I'll take it regardless.

Nope, it's the same (retooled of course) as SIEGE Ultra Magnus' white Prime.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Will, I wouldn't call Pricegouge Primus a high point among Hasbro exclusives

^Perhaps as a legends exclusive, after all they are releasing Big Powered from existing TR toys in the Spring. I'd definitely be up for it, but only if we had a Star Convoy & Sky Garry to go with it.

An interview in the new Transformers Generations 2019 book implied that Big Powered might represent the conclusion of the Legends line.

There's a difference between "might" and "will", though.

[kirbenvost]

I still have my original Cybertron Optimus, which already was and still is a great figure, so I don't know if I really feel compelled to get this one or not.

Same, I expected to feel a lot more jazzed about this release than I do. I'll wait and see reviews before making a final decision but if I don't get it, it's money saved.

[Burn]

Cybertron Optimus Prime, is hands down, one of, if not THE BEST Optimus Prime molds EVER.

It's going to take a hell of a lot for this "tribute" to beat him. Good luck Hasbro, thanks for at least making the effort!

[Wolfman Jake]

Cybertron Optimus Prime, is hands down, one of, if not THE BEST Optimus Prime molds EVER.

It's going to take a hell of a lot for this "tribute" to beat him. Good luck Hasbro, thanks for at least making the effort!

[william-james88]

Will, I wouldn't call Pricegouge Primus a high point among Hasbro exclusives

We were talking about high PRICE points. High points is for another time

[no-one]

Cybertron Optimus Prime, is hands down, one of, if not THE BEST Optimus Prime molds EVER.

It's going to take a hell of a lot for this "tribute" to beat him. Good luck Hasbro, thanks for at least making the effort!

[vid]tribute[/vid]

This is post of the week material.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Cybertron Optimus Prime, is hands down, one of, if not THE BEST Optimus Prime molds EVER.

It's going to take a hell of a lot for this "tribute" to beat him. Good luck Hasbro, thanks for at least making the effort!

Agreed. I find him charming enough to want to get, but he's no substitute for the original. It's the problem with doing updates to Unicron Trilogy figures, really - sometimes they'll have better articulation, but they're generally going to end up losing size and cool features.

[o.supreme]

I still see there are positives, like another chance to get hard to get Hasbro exclusives (like Throne of the Primes) but i can definitely see where you are coming from. Still though, as you know me I am a big fan of looking at both sides of the coin and I feel we are ignoring something. Hasbro did have huge exclusives that were at a higher price point. We just dont think abou them, but they did and I am 100% certain that if we were to ot down all their big ticket exclusives, we would end up with double Takara's output.

Here are a few high ticket Hasbro exclusives of the past few years:

lots of pics

These are varried, frequent and at times of a larger scale. Of course, do as many fans care about these? Maybe not. But we werent looking at that.

I guess it is really a case of "the grass beeing greener". I prefer characters based on animated series interpretations. Of all the ones you listed, CW Liokaiser and the TR *Siege* set are the only ones I am glad I have (I almost got G2 Bruticus...but Hasbro dropped the ball on that too).

I'd trade all of those for a Domestic release of Grand Max, Big Powered, Greatshot & God Bomber.

case in point- With re-releasing generations Metroplex, it would have been a good opportunity for Hasbro to perhaps reissue it as well. The fact that it wasn't even considered is disappointing.

[Seibertron]

t's just occurred to me, we've had 2 prime leaks, when're we gonna see Omega? we saw the unpainted tank prototype back in October i think, but when are we gonna see the full figure. For that matter when is the next major convention? I'm guessing that's when figures like this and SS-38 (is that right, the Bumblebee Optimus) will be officially revealed by HasTak.

Toy Fair 2019 is next month. I will be attending to provide coverage for Seibertron.com.

[Lunatic Prime]

I just noticed something Sorry, but I have to laugh about it even though it might be sad black humor if it turns out to be true.

Has anybody spotted Cybertron Optimus Prime's hip blasters? The ones which come with SIEGE Ultra Magnus.


- NO?
I mean of course maybe the dude taking the picture just forgot about them and they are lying somewhere near him as well as the blaster which can be attached to his right underslung cannon.
BUT we all know that the (management/financial) guys at are all just greedy bast...*cough*, I mean outstanding in their jobs when it comes to developing strategies to entice consumers to help them get the most profit out of a product. So maybe SIEGE Leader class Cybertron Optimus Prime won't come with those blasters (of course all for the welfare of consumers so they don't have to pay more or the product will even be released as an overprized exclusive *cough PotP Nemesis Prime*) and you have to buy both Prime AND Ultra Magnus to have a complete Cybertren Optimus Prime.
THEN I can just say (again): WELL PLAYED,