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In other words, we can say for certain that the briefcase did affect the universe of IDW's G1 comics, but it isn't concisely affirmative to tell if the multiverse's origins could be attributed to what happened with the briefcase.To the best of my knowledge, when Perceptor tampered with the paradox locks on Brainstorm's time machine, it had a profound impact on the celestial mechanics... of that particular universe. Prior to its use, that reality was deterministic in nature. There were no offshoot realities. Now, though, that no longer appears to be the case.
I will offer a caveat, though, which is that if that event DID spawn the Multiverse, it did so with the Multiverse fully formed... meaning that, there is no philosophical way to know if the Multiverse, and my memories of it, and indeed your memories of your own existence, came into being the instant Perceptor's clumsy fumblings altered the causality constant of that portion of the universe.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Oh, we goaded him into it anyhow by explaining that different universes with designations and numbers and so on indeed existed "officially". I don't take it literally either, but it's enjoyable to have fun with.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I do have to admit that the whole "multiverse birthed from Brainstorm's briefcase" Thing is funny and I love it!
I also believe it's made-up. But if upsets people who are REALLY concerned with canon and continuity - à la Alpha Bravo - then it's more than welcome to stay.
Well you can so choose to ignore it. I mean come one! It is an extremely arrogant read between the lines meaning and that just screams Robert being sassy about the whole thing! It doesn't need to be taken literally, but I love the idea. Like, universe Prime so to speak
Yeah but you have to be sure to get rounds without a ton of knockback for your head cannon. Whiplash wouldn't be fun.RodimusConvoy13 wrote:I think everyone has their own Head Cannon anyways and you pick and choose from sources what you want to be in it.
ScottyP wrote:Yeah but you have to be sure to get rounds without a ton of knockback for your head cannon. Whiplash wouldn't be fun.RodimusConvoy13 wrote:I think everyone has their own Head Cannon anyways and you pick and choose from sources what you want to be in it.
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:ScottyP wrote:Yeah but you have to be sure to get rounds without a ton of knockback for your head cannon. Whiplash wouldn't be fun.RodimusConvoy13 wrote:I think everyone has their own Head Cannon anyways and you pick and choose from sources what you want to be in it.
I'll make sure to ask AoE Lockdown where he gets his when I need to stock up.
That's pretty much what AVP has lately been trying to convey to people who keep trying to categorize every little aspect about the multiverse into neatly organized boxes. Rather than people being so absurdly meticulous about it, the whole point of an infinite multiverse is that practically anything's possible and not so rigidly set in stone. The possibilities of what one can imagine are limitless, based only on one's imagination. Having such a boundless multiverse allows for much creative freedom, yet sadly there are many a fan who keep trying to have everything placed into such finite systematic organizations when they really needn't to and just need to realize "It's all about toys! Play with them and have fun with them how ever way you want!"D-Maximus_Prime wrote:RodimusConvoy13 wrote:ScottyP wrote:Yeah but you have to be sure to get rounds without a ton of knockback for your head cannon. Whiplash wouldn't be fun.RodimusConvoy13 wrote:I think everyone has their own Head Cannon anyways and you pick and choose from sources what you want to be in it.
I'll make sure to ask AoE Lockdown where he gets his when I need to stock up.
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:That's pretty much what AVP has lately been trying to convey to people who keep trying to categorize every little aspect about the multiverse into neatly organized boxes. Rather than people being so absurdly meticulous about it, the whole point of an infinite multiverse is that practically anything's possible and not so rigidly set in stone. The possibilities of what one can imagine are limitless, based only on one's imagination. Having such a boundless multiverse allows for much creative freedom, yet sadly there are many a fan who keep trying to have everything placed into such finite systematic organizations when they really needn't to and just need to realize "It's all about toys! Play with them and have fun with them how ever way you want!"D-Maximus_Prime wrote:RodimusConvoy13 wrote:ScottyP wrote:Yeah but you have to be sure to get rounds without a ton of knockback for your head cannon. Whiplash wouldn't be fun.RodimusConvoy13 wrote:I think everyone has their own Head Cannon anyways and you pick and choose from sources what you want to be in it.
I'll make sure to ask AoE Lockdown where he gets his when I need to stock up.
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Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Well, it's gone now, anyway.Counterpunch wrote:Regarding Multiversal Singularities
I guess I was indifferent to the idea. I got into the fiction around the time that Universe (2003) was putting its odd take on things into the minds of fans, so I just went with the idea. It was kind of intuitive that there would be one Unicron out there gobbling up everything slowly.
But...
Put to really considering it all from a storytelling and writing standpoint...the idea of Multiversal Singularities is a hinderance and opens more wounds than it heals. Ultimately, I think it's a poor plot device, especially with the general lack of creative control the brand seems to exert over its fiction.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Counterpunch wrote:Put to really considering it all from a storytelling and writing standpoint...the idea of Multiversal Singularities is a hinderance and opens more wounds than it heals. Ultimately, I think it's a poor plot device, especially with the general lack of creative control the brand seems to exert over its fiction.
I don't want exact control. Some is ok. IDW is a nice balance that seems to keep fans pretty happy.Seibertron wrote:Herein lies my biggest issues with the Transformers brand. I continue to be baffled that Hasbro somehow can't exert exact control over how the Transformers should be presented fictionally.
ScottyP wrote:I don't want exact control. Some is ok. IDW is a nice balance that seems to keep fans pretty happy.Seibertron wrote:Herein lies my biggest issues with the Transformers brand. I continue to be baffled that Hasbro somehow can't exert exact control over how the Transformers should be presented fictionally.
A person or team to steer the ship is totally cool, and that may be what you mean. But I just want them steering, not putting the coal in the engine and making sure the hallway decor doesn't get too fancy.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Seibertron wrote:(snip) Talks about Robin
(snip) shows Star Trek as a good example
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Then it doesn't count. Fan fiction published by the Fan Club doesn't count, especially considering how low the readership for that content must be.
Seibertron wrote:It's my opinion, but I have a suspicion that a lot of the fandom probably agrees! Though I could be wrong. Curious to hear what the rest of you think.
ScottyP wrote: That could be counterpointed by saying Alpha Bravo was a prepaint for Blades and Vortex, but that's ok, they've been good at making helicopter Transformers for a long time now with only limited exception (RotF Blazemaster, ew!)
Va'al wrote:In other words - it's all made up and has no bearing on the enjoyment of the fiction, which is also made up.
As I've said before: canon is a silly construct. Continuity even more so.
william-james88 wrote:
Ok, so my feedback for the show is that while it was a great episode, I would have much preferred hearing Rodimus' thoughts and review on Shockwave than hear about football predictions. But maybe that's just because I am a big Megatronus fan and I preffer his voice to his silence![]()
Congrats on the Panthers winning Scotty!
ScottyP wrote:That last sentence is what bugs me about a lot of that fiction. There's oversight, and yes, it's in the hands of capable and (generally) good stewards of the brand, but at the end of the day it's just a couple guys doing whatever the hell they want to. Most of the official/canonical material out there has a lot of oversight and direction - the comics all go through Barber, the movies all go through Bay/Paramount, the cartoons all go through Executive Producers. In other words, the buck stops somewhere. With much of the prose and especially the "Facebook canon" being added, it's just stuff. Hell, look at the TF Wiki right now, the dudes had to put in a two week moratorium on adding that Facebook stuff because some of it is just purposely making confusing stuff up! If the Wiki guys are lost, god help the rest of us.
In addition to the G1 cartoon, isn't the notion of "someone in charge of a work of fiction doing whatever they want or whatever they feel needs to be done" pretty much the basic root of most fiction (not just Transformers fiction) in general, though?Kibble wrote:I'm sure the G1 toon is equally stupid, ridiculous, and nonsensical, if not more...but I was also a kid that accepted whatever nonsense back then.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:In addition to the G1 cartoon, isn't the notion of "someone in charge of a work of fiction doing whatever they want or whatever they feel needs to be done" pretty much the basic root of most fiction (not just Transformers fiction) in general, though?Kibble wrote:I'm sure the G1 toon is equally stupid, ridiculous, and nonsensical, if not more...but I was also a kid that accepted whatever nonsense back then.
Something like "Two warring factions of robots that possess the ability to convert into other forms, and at times when not in the midst of warfare have other adventures and conflicts", maybe.william-james88 wrote:Maybe, but then what would be the basis for Transformers fiction?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Something like "Two warring factions of robots that possess the ability to convert into other forms, and at times when not in the midst of warfare have other adventures and conflicts", maybe.william-james88 wrote:Maybe, but then what would be the basis for Transformers fiction?
Diaclone didn't really have fiction, but its premise was basically "Humans pilot converting robots to defend Earth from insectoid alien invaders who also pilot converting mecha."william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Something like "Two warring factions of robots that possess the ability to convert into other forms, and at times when not in the midst of warfare have other adventures and conflicts", maybe.william-james88 wrote:Maybe, but then what would be the basis for Transformers fiction?
Ah but wait, that isnt the initial fiction of the original figures. So for transformers, why would it be that and not:
Manned robots have gained consciousness and have now become two warring factions of robots that possess the ability to convert into other forms, and at times when not in the midst of warfare have other adventures and conflicts ?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Diaclone didn't really have fiction, but its premise was basically "Humans pilot converting robots to defend Earth from insectoid alien invaders who also pilot converting mecha."william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Something like "Two warring factions of robots that possess the ability to convert into other forms, and at times when not in the midst of warfare have other adventures and conflicts", maybe.william-james88 wrote:Maybe, but then what would be the basis for Transformers fiction?
Ah but wait, that isnt the initial fiction of the original figures. So for transformers, why would it be that and not:
Manned robots have gained consciousness and have now become two warring factions of robots that possess the ability to convert into other forms, and at times when not in the midst of warfare have other adventures and conflicts ?
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