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Under a different, very much irrelevant label, yeah. But Takara tossed Diaclone to the wind and got behind Hasbro's initial Transformers vision of living converting robots at war and on adventures, ignoring the original piloted mecha premise of the dropped, non-Transformers line.william-james88 wrote:Sure, and thats my point. Is that not the initial fiction of these toys?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Very good way to put it! I think a lot of the inconsistency over the years has also been due to the brand's survival and longevity being perpetuated by constant change. Some might say change is intrinsic to the brand, but I don't think that's the case, or at least it wasn't at first. It only changed when things started to falter - Micromasters were an attempt to chase the micro-play market that Galoob was rocking with Micro Machines, Action Masters were an attempt to get Transformers to catch up to the, at the time very successful, ARAH GI Joe line. Beast Wars only came about when Bandai and Saban crushed G2 under the boot of a Megazord (at least this is one reason of several). Can you imagine Beast Wars happening if there was some Transformers guru trying to keep the brand's presentation uniform?megatronus wrote:The problem I see is, to continue the Marvel parallel, Disney is a media company whereas Hasbro is a products company. For Disney and Marvel, everything is built around media or fiction, and there's some natural order flowing from that. Hasbro and Transformers, on the other hand, as a products company with ever changing lines and brand managers, will see a lot less consistency or order within a similar time frame. I'd like to see at least somewhat more control over the Transformers brand, but I'm not sure the nature of the toy business lends itself to that.
Out of context, yes, some of IDW's moves look insane. Within context, they've been mostly handled extremely well with good justifications. The paths taken that aren't traditional have often been great. Prowl and Megatron are deeper and more interesting characters in IDW than they probably ever have been. Barber, Roberts, Scott, Roche, and yes, even McCarthy in the last Drift series have been fantastic caretakers of the brand and really made some new, interesting characters, plus taken our old favorites and made them fresh. That's my pitch to get you to give reading some of the material from the past 4-5 years a shot - it's really a golden age of TF comic fiction right now.Kibble wrote:This is how I feel about the comics in general... Now, I have never followed the comics so they could be utterly awesome and maybe I'd buy in if I thoroughly enjoyed them, but as someone that's never paid any attention, I hear some of what has happened and I think it's just stupid s#it some comic knob made up so I don't give any credence to it. Like Prowlastator or Autobot Megs...it just seems so....comicky. I'm sure the G1 toon is equally stupid, ridiculous, and nonsensical, if not more...but I was also a kid that accepted whatever nonsense back then.
Sabrblade wrote:In addition to the G1 cartoon, isn't the notion of "someone in charge of a work of fiction doing whatever they want or whatever they feel needs to be done" pretty much the basic root of most fiction (not just Transformers fiction) in general, though?Kibble wrote:I'm sure the G1 toon is equally stupid, ridiculous, and nonsensical, if not more...but I was also a kid that accepted whatever nonsense back then.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:haha thanks Sabr! That was a good read
Va'al wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:haha thanks Sabr! That was a good read
Hmmmmno. That link just reminded me why it took me so long to get into the comics, the first time round.
There's something about the writing that comes out of the Club that just, I don't know how to explain, it just gets me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it, but I am not a fan.
And I mean from a narrative way (that may just be the ur-canon/continuity angle, however you want to split it), a simmering sense of niche elitism in the 'humour', and the actual way the dialogue is written. I just find it hard to like.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Counterpunch wrote:Va'al wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:haha thanks Sabr! That was a good read
Hmmmmno. That link just reminded me why it took me so long to get into the comics, the first time round.
There's something about the writing that comes out of the Club that just, I don't know how to explain, it just gets me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it, but I am not a fan.
And I mean from a narrative way (that may just be the ur-canon/continuity angle, however you want to split it), a simmering sense of niche elitism in the 'humour', and the actual way the dialogue is written. I just find it hard to like.
They have limited page space and word counts that make the stories more choppy and rely on some not-so intuitive jumps in conversation or imagery to get a point across.
It's not the writers fault, it's the page allotment's fault. There's just no room for working through the more complex points or making jokes that aren't kind of blatant references.
I agree with what you're saying, I just feel like I understand where they're working from with these projects.
Va'al wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:haha thanks Sabr! That was a good read
Hmmmmno. That link just reminded me why it took me so long to get into the comics, the first time round.
There's something about the writing that comes out of the Club that just, I don't know how to explain, it just gets me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it, but I am not a fan.
And I mean from a narrative way (that may just be the ur-canon/continuity angle, however you want to split it), a simmering sense of niche elitism in the 'humour', and the actual way the dialogue is written. I just find it hard to like.
Meant to reply to this before but forgot.megatronus wrote:It's not your imagination or my imagination. Just those whose imaginations are licensed and therefore canonical.
So that's what I meant by how "anything's possible in an infinite multiverse." If we can think it up, it could happen. Like D-Max said, nothing's completely absolute. If one want to play with their toys in a story that has a female Optimus Prime playing tag with Duke, He-Man, Pikachu, and Mario, then to quote Sideways, "Sure, why not?"Q: Dear Vector Prime,
Are there any universal streams where...
A: Dear Inquisitive Imam,
I realize that this is very late in the process of our interaction, but when questions are asked in the form of "are there any" or "is there ever" the answer is almost invariably that yes, such a thing is true in at least some corner of the Multiverse. However, that doesn't necessarily make it noteworthy or interesting. Perhaps, if there is a future for this format, you should try for more specificity.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:VP once gave an answer that essentially amounted to "If anyone can imagine it, it's probably happened somewhere in the multiverse anyway"
Let's reboot Hearts of Steel with the Imagination Airship as someone's alt mode. The character can even sing the imagination song in the note cadence of the Empyrean Suite.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Imagination! I loves imagination
ScottyP wrote:Let's reboot Hearts of Steel with the Imagination Airship as someone's alt mode. The character can even sing the imagination song in the note cadence of the Empyrean Suite.D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Imagination! I loves imagination
Q: Dear Vector Prime,
Are there any particular realities where Cyclonus's Armada were as prominent in the war as the Sweeps, or perhaps more prominent?
A: Dear Mass-Produced Master,
The Multiverse is vast. Almost anything you can imagine exists within its confines.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Found another quote from Vector that's even more straightforward on the matter:Q: Dear Vector Prime,
Are there any particular realities where Cyclonus's Armada were as prominent in the war as the Sweeps, or perhaps more prominent?
A: Dear Mass-Produced Master,
The Multiverse is vast. Almost anything you can imagine exists within its confines.
Counterpunch wrote:Confirmed.
Everything I make up regarding the fiction and characters is canon now.
Thank you Sabrblade.
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:As I said on the show, I wasn't a big fan of the "Aligned" Continuity. It was just too hard to reconcile differences.
william-james88 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:Confirmed.
Everything I make up regarding the fiction and characters is canon now.
Thank you Sabrblade.
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Be careful, that means that reciprocally, al the fan art you get when you google image search rodimus and ultra magnus are also true.
Counterpunch wrote:
btw, your new sig is gdlk
Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What got me was the sweeping declaration that a certain medium of fiction is somehow less than official compared to other mediums when they all come from the same source of writers working from the same license as the likes of IDW and Hasbro Studios. I get it was meant as an opinion, but it came off as sounding like a factual statement.
It's my opinion, but I have a suspicion that a lot of the fandom probably agrees! Though I could be wrong. Curious to hear what the rest of you think.
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