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I love how all the hate is getting dished out here but many seem to overlook who's writing this. as it's Roberts. He's the reason why 22-23 were so good. You replace Ramondelli's art with Milne's and everything becomes a bit better.

Blurrz wrote:I love how all the hate is getting dished out here but many seem to overlook who's writing this. as it's Roberts. He's the reason why 22-23 were so good. You replace Ramondelli's art with Milne's and everything becomes a bit better.

I'm not dishing out hate. I'm stating a fact of economics. I'm making some changes in my comic habit in the new year, and need to look at what I'm ordering now and deciding whether I want to continue to order it. Given my previous stated problems with TF comics up till this point, I hardly consider it worth my time and money to continue to get it in singles form, thus I'm moving into TPB collecting.

So they're going to kill Optimus, and give us... Rodimus and Bumblebee.

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Yeah okay my disappointment and general horror is so great I literally cannot translate it into words.

Peleliu wrote:So they're going to kill Optimus, and give us... Rodimus and Bumblebee.

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Yeah okay my disappointment and general horror is so great I literally cannot translate it into words.

...Exactly. I smell a G1 Season 3 happening here...

Can't help but jump in this conversation...killing prime and replacing with bumblebee and rodimus? Do I hear '86 again. Remember, one of the reason transformers went downhill was because optimus dies in the animated movie. I smell a repeat. Oh, and I'm new to the site, by the way.

And I actually love RID/Transformers 2000. It would be a cool idea to have it in comic form

I'd rather save cash on the figures.

Sabrblade wrote:1. I find it ironic that people are bummed about the Robots in Disguise comic not being about RiD, while bashing the RiD cartoon at the same time.

I didn't get the memo that there was a requirement whereby you had to like the cartoon for a certain continuity before having interest in a comic series for said continuity.

Dr. Heavy B wrote:

Joetx wrote:

Dr. Heavy B wrote:You know what I want to see, a reboot of beast wars

IDW has already done that, TWO volumes even. Plus, BW had the benefit of an extremely well done animated series. Time to move on to the continuities which got the shaft.

1st, the two volumes you speak of were not reboots, but took place durring the shows third season.

So you want them to redo 1 of, if not the most, successful series in the TFs universe???

Sounds like a great idea. *sarcasm*

Joetx wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:1. I find it ironic that people are bummed about the Robots in Disguise comic not being about RiD, while bashing the RiD cartoon at the same time.

I didn't get the memo that there was a requirement whereby you had to like the cartoon for a certain continuity before having interest in a comic series for said continuity.

I mean, if there were to be a RiD-based comic, it'd likely be based on the cartoon rather than a remake of it, given how that was done for IDW's Beast Wars comics, and Dreamwave's Summer Special of RiD and Beast Wars.

Sabrblade wrote:

Joetx wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:1. I find it ironic that people are bummed about the Robots in Disguise comic not being about RiD, while bashing the RiD cartoon at the same time.

I didn't get the memo that there was a requirement whereby you had to like the cartoon for a certain continuity before having interest in a comic series for said continuity.

I mean, if there were to be a RiD-based comic, it'd likely be based on the cartoon rather than a remake of it, given how that was done for IDW's Beast Wars comics, and Dreamwave's Summer Special of RiD and Beast Wars.

Yes, IDW's BW comic was set in the animated series' world, but since the characters from the respective series barely interacted, the connection was tangential.

Plus, as we've seen w/ IDW's G1 Ongoing & -tion series, they have no qualms against rebooting a continuity rather than basing their comics on the cartoons.

Blurrz wrote:I love how all the hate is getting dished out here but many seem to overlook who's writing this. as it's Roberts. He's the reason why 22-23 were so good. You replace Ramondelli's art with Milne's and everything becomes a bit better.

I like Ramondelli's more then Milne's. It's a refreshing change.

Prime dead, Prime alive, I'm for some growth and development here. Love Prime, and a big fan of G1, but even the basic story has been done so many times that its getting old. Season three of G1 could 've been better had they put more into development of the series instead of pushing for more toy sales. The only way they could've pulled it out of the crapper was to bring Prime back, then they gave up with 3 episodes of season 4. What made Beastwars work was the character development and the connection to the G1 universe without rehashing it. Unicron trilogy, Animated, Prime, RID, and Bay-verse trilogy all rehash the same basic story. If Prime lives, maybe move him to the back of the plot for awhile. If he dies, actully develop the characters and make us care about them like we do Optimus Prime. I was upset when an important character died near the end of the Beastwars animated series. I want to care about the characters in what I watch and read. I was hoping for more development with Thundercracker in the ongoing series.

Now my beef about these two new series is this: One takes place on Cybertron, the other is intergalactic. Transformers is about robots in disguise. The basic story is about robots who crash on earth and disguise themselves for recon, to be unseen from the native populace, and basic survival from their enemies. What made it coo was the realistic and recognizable earth forms. In my opinion, this is what killed the toyline near the end of the 80's and brought the critics out for the unicron triology. An airplane, a gun, a truck, a sportscar that turn into a fighting robot? Awsome! Now we are back on Cybertron, no need for earth modes. Alt modes are more for convenience or transportation, rather than disguise. Tne there is the other story. Ok, visits to other planets will permit modes of disguise. Of course then there is the transportation aspect as well. But where is the real connection here? Vehicle modes are only limited by imagination, and whatever character limits exist. I think often the reader and the writers get lost on the imagination after time. Eventually the reader loses interest as stories become more "out there". Writers get to a point where they run out of new and interesting ideas. I think this has been the downfall of many science fiction, fantasy, and animated shows, as well as the written word. Not to mention what thrills me about the transformers has always been the complexity of the character design. To take them off Earth, would seem to remove limits to the character design (how this robot becomes a police car, that robot becomes a tank) making future designs too easy to come up with, to explain away the mode and transformation. Might as well make them grow and shrink at will, add and remove extra appendages at any given time and develop any kind of weaaponry needed at anytime. Limitations and relation to earth kept the story real and grounded. I'm concerned that these stories are going to fizzle out and lose interest. On that note, as a collector and a fan, I'm going to give it a chance and hopefully I'll be pleasntly surprised.

primezimm wrote:Prime dead, Prime alive, I'm for some growth and development here. Love Prime, and a big fan of G1, but even the basic story has been done so many times that its getting old. Season three of G1 could 've been better had they put more into development of the series instead of pushing for more toy sales. The only way they could've pulled it out of the crapper was to bring Prime back, then they gave up with 3 episodes of season 4. What made Beastwars work was the character development and the connection to the G1 universe without rehashing it. Unicron trilogy, Animated, Prime, RID, and Bay-verse trilogy all rehash the same basic story. If Prime lives, maybe move him to the back of the plot for awhile. If he dies, actully develop the characters and make us care about them like we do Optimus Prime. I was upset when an important character died near the end of the Beastwars animated series. I want to care about the characters in what I watch and read. I was hoping for more development with Thundercracker in the ongoing series.

Now my beef about these two new series is this: One takes place on Cybertron, the other is intergalactic. Transformers is about robots in disguise. The basic story is about robots who crash on earth and disguise themselves for recon, to be unseen from the native populace, and basic survival from their enemies. What made it coo was the realistic and recognizable earth forms. In my opinion, this is what killed the toyline near the end of the 80's and brought the critics out for the unicron triology. An airplane, a gun, a truck, a sportscar that turn into a fighting robot? Awsome! Now we are back on Cybertron, no need for earth modes. Alt modes are more for convenience or transportation, rather than disguise. Tne there is the other story. Ok, visits to other planets will permit modes of disguise. Of course then there is the transportation aspect as well. But where is the real connection here? Vehicle modes are only limited by imagination, and whatever character limits exist. I think often the reader and the writers get lost on the imagination after time. Eventually the reader loses interest as stories become more "out there". Writers get to a point where they run out of new and interesting ideas. I think this has been the downfall of many science fiction, fantasy, and animated shows, as well as the written word. Not to mention what thrills me about the transformers has always been the complexity of the character design. To take them off Earth, would seem to remove limits to the character design (how this robot becomes a police car, that robot becomes a tank) making future designs too easy to come up with, to explain away the mode and transformation. Might as well make them grow and shrink at will, add and remove extra appendages at any given time and develop any kind of weaaponry needed at anytime. Limitations and relation to earth kept the story real and grounded. I'm concerned that these stories are going to fizzle out and lose interest. On that note, as a collector and a fan, I'm going to give it a chance and hopefully I'll be pleasntly surprised.

Last Stand allready prooved there can be Transformer stories in the IDW-verse that doesn't really need the "Robots in Disguise" approach to be succesful among the fans - and if we look at the first 3/4 of Ongoing, we can see how lame it can get in the wrong hands. Now, at the end of Ongoing, humanity is capable of defending himself with new/alien technology, while some countries can side with decepticons - so I guess that's a good time to leave Earth for good.