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Not really. Everything before RID is part of the same continuity spanning directly from the US cartoon from Season one through Season three.This includes Beast Wars, through BW 2 and Neo, on through Beast Machines.

Shirogoshi wrote:Oh, and Tramp, instead of continuing to derail the topic, which you're quite good at, might I add, if anything you're skilled at, you're good at derailing threads, answer my question. Have you reread the comic in the last 24 hours? Read issue 77. I know I"m right, I know for a fact I'm right. You are trying to claim something which isn't correct as usual, and we're clearly told Primus is dead. Cybertron would not tear itself apart if Primus could be revived. Same with Unicron he was destroyed PERMANANTLY by the matrix.

No, he wasn't permanently destroyed. HE was destroyed, but he can regenerate. As could Primus given time. In other words, death is only a temporary thing to them.

Yeah, sure, and that's why the planet was falling apart, eh? That's why everyone said he was dead, becasuse absolutely NO-ONE heard about Primus's amazing ability to come back when he has been killed. Notice you're the only one who thinks this. Here's an idea, Tramp: For once in your life, try using fact, rather than your little opinions that your overactive imagination created.

Tramp wrote:Not really. Everything before RID is part of the same continuity spanning directly from the US cartoon from Season one through Season three.This includes Beast Wars, through BW 2 and Neo, on through Beast Machines.

How do you figure that??????????How is Rid part of the same continuity????????? And How is the U.S. Headmasters in the same continuity as the Japanese continuity?????
You just cant admit when you made a mistake can you??????The fact is that the Japanese splintered off into their own continuity at the end of the return of optimus prime.And RID stands alone all by its self.
You were even wrong about why the Japanese started their own shows and you still wont admit you made a mistake!!!!!!!!

Sirogoshi, I am usinmg fact. You are reading from an individual character's perspective, not an observer's view. Therefore, how would Prowl or any of the other characters in the story know this anyway. They don't know really anything aobut Primus or Unicron. All they knew was Primus was their creator, and Unicron was the destroyer of all of existance. They only knew what they were told. They saw Emirate Xaaron die while an avatar of Primus. THus, they believed him dead. The planet was heavily damaged and suffering quakes, but it did not break apart. The Last Autobot revitalizes the planet. Primus will live again. You cannot permanently kill him or Unicron. You can destroy his corporial form, but that too will eventually regenerate.

Sto_vo, expecting Tramp to realise he's wrong is like expecting Paris Hilton to keep her legs shut- probably won't happen.

Seriously, what kind of Village Idiot thinks RiD's a continuation of anything? It's a standalone series, as has been noted MANY times.

Shirogoshi wrote:Sto_vo, expecting Tramp to realise he's wrong is like expecting Paris Hilton to keep her legs shut- probably won't happen.

Seriously, what kind of Village Idiot thinks RiD's a continuation of anything? It's a standalone series, as has been noted MANY times.

Shirogoshi. I never said RID was a continuation of anything. I said everything before RID, not RID itself.

Tramp wrote:

Shirogoshi wrote:Sto_vo, expecting Tramp to realise he's wrong is like expecting Paris Hilton to keep her legs shut- probably won't happen.

Seriously, what kind of Village Idiot thinks RiD's a continuation of anything? It's a standalone series, as has been noted MANY times.

Shirogoshi. I never said RID was a continuation of anything. I said everything before RID, not RID itself.

true, but nonetheless, I have had to go change the tech-specs on my profile, as you've got yourself listed as 8 and I had mine at 7. No way in hell am I having that, because any fool (well, nearly any fool) can see the obvious problems with some of the things you're saying. Fair enough, you like the Dreamwave continuity, I was pretty darn sad to see it go myself, and may even find it to be my favourite so far because of the way it mixed everything up together, however, there is no way at all that you can ignore the inconsistencies between the various G1 continuities and claim they are all part of the same story. The Ultimate Guide was written when DW had the license, meaning that of course, they would be defaulted to when it came to conflicting continuity, but there are things in there that had not even been imagined officially at the time of the original TV show and comics. Give up please. Or at least make your delusion more entertaining.

Tramp wrote:Sirogoshi, I am usinmg fact. You are reading from an individual character's perspective, not an observer's view. Therefore, how would Prowl or any of the other characters in the story know this anyway. They don't know really anything aobut Primus or Unicron. All they knew was Primus was their creator, and Unicron was the destroyer of all of existance. They only knew what they were told. They saw Emirate Xaaron die while an avatar of Primus. THus, they believed him dead. The planet was heavily damaged and suffering quakes, but it did not break apart. The Last Autobot revitalizes the planet. Primus will live again. You cannot permanently kill him or Unicron. You can destroy his corporial form, but that too will eventually regenerate.

Which in simple English is

Tramp wrote:I think I know better than everyone. regardless of what books say, if my imaginiation says it's there, and it's possible, it's possible. Who cares what the characters in the book say, they're just the characters in the book. I on the other hand, am a 37 year old graphic novel designer, who likes Transformers, but more than that, I like talking down to people, and thinking I know more than them. That's why my answer is right, and Shirogoshi's is wrong. Because I say it is. So there. Hmph!

He's dead, you ignoramus. Why would Cybertorn be falling apart if only Xaaron died? God, you love contradicting yourself. Try again, Tramp.

Then again, on second thought don't. Just leave already. You lost your argument, and all you're doing now is what you do all the time: Prove how utterly ignorant and disrespectful you are to everyone else, and that you can't shut up unless the topic gets locked.

Shorogishi. How many times has Unicron been killed, and still managed to come back to, life, even in the same continuity? Plenty. He did it in the G1/BW cartoon continuity, he did it in Armada/Energon continuity, and he appears to do so in Marvel because even though destroyed in modern times, he still comes back in the future of Galavatron's era. Primus is the same. You cannot permanently kill him. And it isn't "my imagingation" that says this, it is The ultoimate Guide that says this.

I've pooven you wrong on 3 points:

1]you claim that Prowl does not fade to grey when he dies,And he does.

2]Your claim that the Japanese series are in the same continuety as the G1 u.s toon

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tramp I want to ask you a question.How do the Japanese universes fit into your theroy?I'm not looking for a large debate just looking for your thought on it.

Well, considering that the earlier ones before RID all stemmed directly from the original US G1 cartoon which had been dubbed into Japanese, I would place them in the same continuity as that show.

Then you say

Tramp wrote:
This of course originated from the Japanese versions, and was addressed in the US comics.
They applied this original process in Armada with Overload, who had a minicon who became the head of the larger body, and in Energon with Omega Supreme. Both were Headmasters who had robot Headmaster partners, not humanoids. Yes, tyey have different histories for the different characters, because they are different continuities, but they are still part of the greater TF canon multiverse.

3] Your claim that the Japanses created their shows after the cancelation of the U.S. series and that the U.S. Headmasters was created to wrap it up for us.The fact is that U.S. headmasters was created in hopes to reignute the flames of the fans and was ment to be the start of a new season that never came to be because the rating's were not that good for the 3 parter.
And as for the Japanises the Japanese Headmasters started airing 7/87 and the U.S. headmasters airred 11/87.The Japanese had a 4 month head start before our show was canceled.

Now try to wiggle you way out of that one.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I've pooven you wrong on 3 points:

1]you claim that Prowl does not fade to grey when he dies,And he does.

2]Your claim that the Japanese series are in the same continuety as the G1 u.s toon

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tramp I want to ask you a question.How do the Japanese universes fit into your theroy?I'm not looking for a large debate just looking for your thought on it.

Well, considering that the earlier ones before RID all stemmed directly from the original US G1 cartoon which had been dubbed into Japanese, I would place them in the same continuity as that show.

Then you say

Tramp wrote:
This of course originated from the Japanese versions, and was addressed in the US comics.
They applied this original process in Armada with Overload, who had a minicon who became the head of the larger body, and in Energon with Omega Supreme. Both were Headmasters who had robot Headmaster partners, not humanoids. Yes, tyey have different histories for the different characters, because they are different continuities, but they are still part of the greater TF canon multiverse.

3] Your claim that the Japanses created their shows after the cancelation of the U.S. series and that the U.S. Headmasters was created to wrap it up for us.The fact is that U.S. headmasters was created in hopes to reignute the flames of the fans and was ment to be the start of a new season that never came to be because the rating's were not that good for the 3 parter.
And as for the Japanises the Japanese Headmasters started airing 7/87 and the U.S. headmasters airred 11/87.The Japanese had a 4 month head start before our show was canceled.

Now try to wiggle you way out of that one.

That is simple, The animation for the US stories were done first, but schedualling is different for US and Japanese. The US season starts in September. I'm not sure when the Japanese season starts, but if the start of "Headmasters is any indication, it's in early-to-mid summer. Secondly, where did you hear that they were written to reignight the series?

Oh, give it up already. You lose.

Tramp wrote:Shorogishi. How many times has Unicron been killed, and still managed to come back to, life, even in the same continuity? Plenty. He did it in the G1/BW cartoon continuity, he did it in Armada/Energon continuity, and he appears to do so in Marvel because even though destroyed in modern times, he still comes back in the future of Galavatron's era. Primus is the same. You cannot permanently kill him. And it isn't "my imagingation" that says this, it is The ultoimate Guide that says this.

I realise my posts are apparently invisible to you, however, in the Marvel G1 comic, Unicron dies once. Likewise, so does Primus. Galvatron (the one in that particular arc)himself says that he has been taken from an alternate future to the reality he is in. So the Unicron that Optimus Prime kills with the Matrix is not the same one that made that Galvatron. The G1 Cartoon does have him survive, I'll grant you that, but makes no connotation to any supernatural origins. In fact it states quite clearly that that particular Unicron was a being created by another, which simply went out of control. BW and BM are not 100% part of the same continuity, although there are many similarities (and many more which have since been retconned in by Dreamwave and IDW) and to be honest, Unicron doesn't actually appear in any of the US produced Beast Wars shows. His image might be used by the Vok to relay information to Optimus Primal but that's about it. This show is however the first canon mention of Primus in a US cartoon (I'll admit some ignorance in dealing with the Japanese continuities) even though it is as a mythical figure, not actually someone or something which influences or is important to events in the series.

Actually, Unicron is supposed to be in the later episodes of the BW cartoon. I haven't seen them myself, but others have, and the Ultimate Guide does show images of Unicron during his regeneration after being destroyed. His appearance is similar to the unfinished Deathstar II.

He never comes back, you n00b. He is shown in flashbacks only. And in case you're not aware (Clearly you aren't) Beast Wars is set on earth's PAST, I.e. thousands of years before G1 starts!

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I've pooven you wrong on 3 points:

1]you claim that Prowl does not fade to grey when he dies,And he does.

2]Your claim that the Japanese series are in the same continuety as the G1 u.s toon

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tramp I want to ask you a question.How do the Japanese universes fit into your theroy?I'm not looking for a large debate just looking for your thought on it.

Well, considering that the earlier ones before RID all stemmed directly from the original US G1 cartoon which had been dubbed into Japanese, I would place them in the same continuity as that show.

Then you say

Tramp wrote:
This of course originated from the Japanese versions, and was addressed in the US comics.
They applied this original process in Armada with Overload, who had a minicon who became the head of the larger body, and in Energon with Omega Supreme. Both were Headmasters who had robot Headmaster partners, not humanoids. Yes, tyey have different histories for the different characters, because they are different continuities, but they are still part of the greater TF canon multiverse.

3] Your claim that the Japanses created their shows after the cancelation of the U.S. series and that the U.S. Headmasters was created to wrap it up for us.The fact is that U.S. headmasters was created in hopes to reignute the flames of the fans and was ment to be the start of a new season that never came to be because the rating's were not that good for the 3 parter.
And as for the Japanises the Japanese Headmasters started airing 7/87 and the U.S. headmasters airred 11/87.The Japanese had a 4 month head start before our show was canceled.

Now try to wiggle you way out of that one.

That is simple, The animation for the US stories were done first, but schedualling is different for US and Japanese. The US season starts in September. I'm not sure when the Japanese season starts, but if the start of "Headmasters is any indication, it's in early-to-mid summer. Secondly, where did you hear that they were written to reignight the series?

Dude why the hell would they have put any money into a show witch was basicly a toy add if they werent intendind that the show continue.Why put any money into somthing you know will fail.

Tramp wrote:Actually, Unicron is supposed to be in the later episodes of the BW cartoon. I haven't seen them myself, but others have, and the Ultimate Guide does show images of Unicron during his regeneration after being destroyed. His appearance is similar to the unfinished Deathstar II.

yeah, well I don't know anything about heart surgery, but I have a friend who once went within 50 miles of a hospital so I feel qualified to operate on you if I have to. twat

Very simple. They still need to wrap up the series for the fans. If you notice, unless a series is abruptly cancelled, they always wrap it up with a Series Finale. That is pretty much what "Season Four" was. It was a three eppisode season finale.

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I've pooven you wrong on 3 points:

1]you claim that Prowl does not fade to grey when he dies,And he does.

2]Your claim that the Japanese series are in the same continuety as the G1 u.s toon

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tramp I want to ask you a question.How do the Japanese universes fit into your theroy?I'm not looking for a large debate just looking for your thought on it.

Well, considering that the earlier ones before RID all stemmed directly from the original US G1 cartoon which had been dubbed into Japanese, I would place them in the same continuity as that show.

Then you say

Tramp wrote:
This of course originated from the Japanese versions, and was addressed in the US comics.
They applied this original process in Armada with Overload, who had a minicon who became the head of the larger body, and in Energon with Omega Supreme. Both were Headmasters who had robot Headmaster partners, not humanoids. Yes, tyey have different histories for the different characters, because they are different continuities, but they are still part of the greater TF canon multiverse.

3] Your claim that the Japanses created their shows after the cancelation of the U.S. series and that the U.S. Headmasters was created to wrap it up for us.The fact is that U.S. headmasters was created in hopes to reignute the flames of the fans and was ment to be the start of a new season that never came to be because the rating's were not that good for the 3 parter.
And as for the Japanises the Japanese Headmasters started airing 7/87 and the U.S. headmasters airred 11/87.The Japanese had a 4 month head start before our show was canceled.

Now try to wiggle you way out of that one.

That is simple, The animation for the US stories were done first, but schedualling is different for US and Japanese. The US season starts in September. I'm not sure when the Japanese season starts, but if the start of "Headmasters is any indication, it's in early-to-mid summer.quote]

But that doesnt take away from the fact that you said the Japanese series started after the cancelation of the U.S. series.Also dont you think the Japanese would have had a head start on the intentions of the U.S. producers.They did not like the idea at first of humans piloting TF's because they felt it would have been to much like so many other show's that were on the air at the time.Transformers was one of a few shows that had living robots.

craggy wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, Unicron is supposed to be in the later episodes of the BW cartoon. I haven't seen them myself, but others have, and the Ultimate Guide does show images of Unicron during his regeneration after being destroyed. His appearance is similar to the unfinished Deathstar II.

yeah, well I don't know anything about heart surgery, but I have a friend who once went within 50 miles of a hospital so I feel qualified to operate on you if I have to. twat

Craggy, ther is no need for that kind of language. This is supposed to be a friendly debate and discussion. Can we please keep it like that?

Tramp wrote:

craggy wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, Unicron is supposed to be in the later episodes of the BW cartoon. I haven't seen them myself, but others have, and the Ultimate Guide does show images of Unicron during his regeneration after being destroyed. His appearance is similar to the unfinished Deathstar II.

yeah, well I don't know anything about heart surgery, but I have a friend who once went within 50 miles of a hospital so I feel qualified to operate on you if I have to. twat

Craggy, ther is no need for that kind of language. This is supposed to be a friendly debate and discussion. Can we please keep it like that?

Sure we can, sorry. I must have been forgetting how open to accepting new ideas and others opinions we all are on this forum.

Tramp, do you not see how frustrating you are? It's easy to resort to namecalling with you. You're annoying, you argue with absolutely everything, and act like you know more than everyone.

Shirogoshi wrote:Tramp, do you not see how frustrating you are? It's easy to resort to namecalling with you. You're annoying, you argue with absolutely everything, and act like you know more than everyone.

Nah, he only knows as much as his fabled Ultimate Guide (which was inaccurate and out of date before it was even published, BTW) tells him. He is frustrating though.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I've pooven you wrong on 3 points:

1]you claim that Prowl does not fade to grey when he dies,And he does.

2]Your claim that the Japanese series are in the same continuety as the G1 u.s toon

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tramp I want to ask you a question.How do the Japanese universes fit into your theroy?I'm not looking for a large debate just looking for your thought on it.

Well, considering that the earlier ones before RID all stemmed directly from the original US G1 cartoon which had been dubbed into Japanese, I would place them in the same continuity as that show.

Then you say

Tramp wrote:
This of course originated from the Japanese versions, and was addressed in the US comics.
They applied this original process in Armada with Overload, who had a minicon who became the head of the larger body, and in Energon with Omega Supreme. Both were Headmasters who had robot Headmaster partners, not humanoids. Yes, tyey have different histories for the different characters, because they are different continuities, but they are still part of the greater TF canon multiverse.

3] Your claim that the Japanses created their shows after the cancelation of the U.S. series and that the U.S. Headmasters was created to wrap it up for us.The fact is that U.S. headmasters was created in hopes to reignute the flames of the fans and was ment to be the start of a new season that never came to be because the rating's were not that good for the 3 parter.
And as for the Japanises the Japanese Headmasters started airing 7/87 and the U.S. headmasters airred 11/87.The Japanese had a 4 month head start before our show was canceled.

Now try to wiggle you way out of that one.

That is simple, The animation for the US stories were done first, but schedualling is different for US and Japanese. The US season starts in September. I'm not sure when the Japanese season starts, but if the start of "Headmasters is any indication, it's in early-to-mid summer.

But that doesnt take away from the fact that you said the Japanese series started after the cancelation of the U.S. series.Also dont you think the Japanese would have had a head start on the intentions of the U.S. producers.They did not like the idea at first of humans piloting TF's because they felt it would have been to much like so many other show's that were on the air at the time.Transformers was one of a few shows that had living robots.

As far as I know of it did. Everything I have read and been told states that the Japanese Headmasters started after The US series was cancelled. IF that information is incorrect, I have no knowledge of this.