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mooncake623 wrote:Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.
The defination of a HasTak Third party toy. Is a bigger toy class than the original toy scale. Much more articulation, Higher sculpt. toys that look like they were sculpted for adults fans and not for young kids. Think UT Ordin team members and TW Throttler team members fit these requirements to get called MP TF toys.
This is not the definition of a Masterpiece Transformer. This is your definition of a Masterpiece Transformer.
Don't put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!
Really? Show me specifically where UniqueToys and ToyWorld THEMSELVES state that these are aimed towards MP collectors.Tsu wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.
Yeah. Those attributes PLUS being incredibly faithful to cartoon models, not taking liberties wherever they please.Tsu wrote:The defination of a HasTak Third party toy. Is a bigger toy class than the original toy scale. Much more articulation, Higher sculpt. toys that look like they were sculpted for adults fans and not for young kids. Think UT Ordin team members and TW Throttler team members fit these requirements to get called MP TF toys.
Then why is it every time you make this statement you get such opposition?Tsu wrote:Not just my defination. Seems to be the majority of the online fans defination of what constitutes a Third party MP TF toy. Over sized toy + MP Articulated bot + high sculpt = Masterpiece level 3rd party toy.
Tsutsukakushi wrote:mooncake623 wrote:Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.
The defination of a HasTak Third party toy. Is a bigger toy class than the original toy scale. Much more articulation, Higher sculpt. toys that look like they were sculpted for adults fans and not for young kids. Think UT Ordin team members and TW Throttler team members fit these requirements to get called MP TF toys.
This is not the definition of a Masterpiece Transformer. This is your definition of a Masterpiece Transformer.
Don't put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!
Not just my defination. Seems to be the majority of the online fans defination of what constitutes a Third party MP TF toy.
Tsutsukakushi wrote:Over sized toy
Tsutsukakushi wrote:+ MP Articulated bot
Tsutsukakushi wrote:+ high sculpt
Tsutsukakushi wrote:= Masterpiece level 3rd party toy.
Tsutsukakushi wrote:Recent example were the Two Third Party Astrotrain toys. Despite DX9 Astrotrain barely looking anything like the Original toy or cartoon designs. Most online fans consider DX9 Chigurh a MP level toy due mainly for it huge size. coupled with articulation and high sculpt.
Despite TW Astrotrain looking more like the original toy and cartoon designs. Many fans refused to consider it a MP toy. saying it was too small and needed to be bigger.
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Apparently having MP level articulation, cartoon and toy accurate modes. high sculpt aimed at adults were not enough to get this toy get called a MP level toy. It needed to be huge as a main factor for MP Level.
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Even after I gave examples of TW Astrotrain deserving to be a MP toy. Based off him being a pinch bigger than the MP seekers and way bigger than the MP cars bots. this still was not good enough for fans to call this a MP toy due to size.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.
necr0blivion wrote:Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.
Please cite the reference where either Unique Toys or ToyWorld even suggest, much less outright declare, that those sets of figures are Masterpiece figures. Otherwise, stop recalling the issue (which really just seems to be YOUR issue) and then asking people not to comment on it.
Also, ToyWorld released Grindrod in Sept/Oct 2012 (according to my order from BBTS). MP Sideswipe came out around the same time. That means that ToyWorld was working on these Throttlebots before this resurgence of MP really even took off. These were created for collectors' Classics displays. They might look good next to MP, but that doesn't mean they were created as such.
Again, stop stating your opinions as facts. We've been down this road before, and it really delineates any constructive discussion on these forums.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:necr0blivion wrote:Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.
Please cite the reference where either Unique Toys or ToyWorld even suggest, much less outright declare, that those sets of figures are Masterpiece figures. Otherwise, stop recalling the issue (which really just seems to be YOUR issue) and then asking people not to comment on it.
Also, ToyWorld released Grindrod in Sept/Oct 2012 (according to my order from BBTS). MP Sideswipe came out around the same time. That means that ToyWorld was working on these Throttlebots before this resurgence of MP really even took off. These were created for collectors' Classics displays. They might look good next to MP, but that doesn't mean they were created as such.
Again, stop stating your opinions as facts. We've been down this road before, and it really delineates any constructive discussion on these forums.
See, this is the tenor rebuttal comments should take.
I like this a lot better than my internet yelling.
Delta Magnus wrote:Internet yelling is fun though.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Counterpunch wrote:I've really and honestly considered making a YouTube channel called, "Is it Classics? Staring ME Counterpunch!" where I discuss a variety of issues related to whether things are Classics or just ****.
I'm dead serious.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
Counterpunch wrote:I've really and honestly considered making a YouTube channel called, "Is it Classics? Staring ME Counterpunch!" where I discuss a variety of issues related to whether things are Classics or just ****.
Delta Magnus wrote: What Toyworld did with their combiners was an absolute travesty and put me off both their Dinobots and their Throttlebots. Having that much useless combiner kibble is utterly unacceptable in 2015, especially when HasTak are doing such a good job with their combiners (even the hands and feet do stuff). Ordin is especially disappointing given that from the beginning it looked like they were going to properly integrate the parts, with the feet forming neat missile pods. But then they went and made the hands and the chestplate do nothing at all and it ruined it for me. If HasTak can do it I damn well expect it out of a 3P.
I know some simpletons may have difficulty coping with such intimidating concepts as "spatial awareness" and "not being a hamhands" but not all of us are total klutzes that can't handle any significant amount of engineering. Honestly X, with all your whining about how parts integration "ruins" figures, complaining about complicated engineering and general opposition to Transformers doing any actual transformation, I'm surprised you don't just collect non-transforming action figures and static versions of their alt modes.
megatronus wrote:I guess that makes me a "simpleton."
DM, I know many of these figures are aspirational purchases for you, so it may be hard to truly understand how much of a b**** Fansproject Menasor is to transform, and how parts integration comes at the expense of playability and fun.
Diesel transformation: 45 minutes. CW Menasor transformation: 30 seconds.
I really don't care if the parts are super well integrated. I would prefer if they had some pegs so they can be carried on one of the figure's backs, but really that's all I require functionally, and even that's not a big deal.
Saying things are acceptable and unacceptable in absolute terms doesn't further the conversation any, so I would avoid those. These are toys homaging 80s toys. Should they be better? Yea. Do they need to integrate parts? Not necessarily - it depends how well it's done. Sometimes you want a weapon or hand or foot or chest plate that does that really well over a half measure in the name of integration.
Tsutsukakushi wrote:Delta Magnus wrote: What Toyworld did with their combiners was an absolute travesty and put me off both their Dinobots and their Throttlebots. Having that much useless combiner kibble is utterly unacceptable in 2015, especially when HasTak are doing such a good job with their combiners (even the hands and feet do stuff). Ordin is especially disappointing given that from the beginning it looked like they were going to properly integrate the parts, with the feet forming neat missile pods. But then they went and made the hands and the chestplate do nothing at all and it ruined it for me. If HasTak can do it I damn well expect it out of a 3P.
I know some simpletons may have difficulty coping with such intimidating concepts as "spatial awareness" and "not being a hamhands" but not all of us are total klutzes that can't handle any significant amount of engineering. Honestly X, with all your whining about how parts integration "ruins" figures, complaining about complicated engineering and general opposition to Transformers doing any actual transformation, I'm surprised you don't just collect non-transforming action figures and static versions of their alt modes.megatronus wrote:I guess that makes me a "simpleton."
DM, I know many of these figures are aspirational purchases for you, so it may be hard to truly understand how much of a b**** Fansproject Menasor is to transform, and how parts integration comes at the expense of playability and fun.
Diesel transformation: 45 minutes. CW Menasor transformation: 30 seconds.
I really don't care if the parts are super well integrated. I would prefer if they had some pegs so they can be carried on one of the figure's backs, but really that's all I require functionally, and even that's not a big deal.
Saying things are acceptable and unacceptable in absolute terms doesn't further the conversation any, so I would avoid those. These are toys homaging 80s toys. Should they be better? Yea. Do they need to integrate parts? Not necessarily - it depends how well it's done. Sometimes you want a weapon or hand or foot or chest plate that does that really well over a half measure in the name of integration.
In defense of Delta Magnus, I support his responses reactions replies in this thread.
When all your doing is running around posting 100 hate insulting toys replies in threads each week. These types of post frustrate members and you get fighting counter replies.
Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
My observations:
1. LOL!!!
2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.
3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!
megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
My observations:
1. LOL!!!
2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.
3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!
fenrir72 wrote:megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
My observations:
1. LOL!!!
2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.
3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!
I spotted two Arcee repaints on the top.
Rated X wrote:megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
My observations:
1. LOL!!!
2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.
3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!
Im no fan of I-gear Sharkticons robot mode either. Thats why they stay on shark mode and the UT Sharkies stay in robot mode.
I think you missed the old school fembots on the top shelf in "Ancient Cybertron". I intend to give the newer fembots a nice display higher up once MMC Elita One Arrives. The bottom shelf is my W.I.P. shelf.
Here's a better view:
Thadicon wrote:Rated X wrote:megatronus wrote:Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…
My observations:
1. LOL!!!
2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.
3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!
Im no fan of I-gear Sharkticons robot mode either. Thats why they stay on shark mode and the UT Sharkies stay in robot mode.
I think you missed the old school fembots on the top shelf in "Ancient Cybertron". I intend to give the newer fembots a nice display higher up once MMC Elita One Arrives. The bottom shelf is my W.I.P. shelf.
Here's a better view:
Loving the display dude
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