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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Rated X » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:22 pm

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For me these pictures are the nail in the coffin. No matter how awesome they look, the size just freakin sucks. Yeah I said it. Same thing goes for Warbotron. I mean seriously, how are you gonna have a hun-grrr that will probably be almost twice the height of Galvatron ?
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:41 pm

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At first, I was impressed, but these new pictures just do nothing for me, sadly. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't *look* to be worth $100.00+

I realize Mania King, standing right next to him, is the same price (a little over, actually) but Mania King commands that kind of money and he's worth it. He's not only built well, he LOOKS good. This guy, he looks a little cheap to me. The mold lines, the colors, all of it just doesn't appeal to me.

I'm glad that UT is making another combiner and this one's clearly higher quality than their last offering, but it's just not working for me.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:36 am

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No thanks.

Wouldn't mind if the 1987 Terrorcons limbs bots that were legends-commander scale went up to Deluxe scale. But going up to Voyager or Ultra toy scale is extremly oversized.

Having a 3rd party team leader core bot Hun-Gurr be Leader scale, Is even more oversized.

I'll hope and wait for the $80 2015-2016 HasTak Combiners Wars Terrorcons Abonimus. That has Deluxe scale limbs bots, With a Voyager scale Hun-gurr.

We still don't know how many combiners Hasbro is going to make, but I would think that Abominus is probably towards the end of the list, if only for the reason Hasbro can't reuse those molds with other combiners.


If they get made, Guessing HasTak will mix and match toys between Combiners Wars Predaking, Abonimus and Piranaking.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby NOS » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:58 am

Looks like the alt mode arms have something of a parts-forming aspect. Not a big deal, but a little disappointing for a combiner to have parts-forming for a mode that doesn't include the gestalt.

Regardless, I'm in the boat with most here who feel this guy is just too big for my collection. Sorta funny really..... first they make a combiner too small, now they make one too big. 8-}
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Genocide G2.0 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:08 am

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Ginrai Minor » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:35 am

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Hmmm.......gonna wait and see. I can deal with some decepticons being larger than Galvatron, especially a deranged brute pack of Terrorcons. I always pictured Abominus as the gestalt that towered all.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby rpetras » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:15 pm

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If his combined form turns out to be closer to the size of Predaking, and less like Warbotron, I think I'm in.

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby shajaki » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:18 pm

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Evil Eye » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:12 pm

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Rated X wrote:
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For me these pictures are the nail in the coffin. No matter how awesome they look, the size just freakin sucks. Yeah I said it. Same thing goes for Warbotron. I mean seriously, how are you gonna have a hun-grrr that will probably be almost twice the height of Galvatron ?

Easy. With the magic of "Scale never made a jot of sense in Transformers, and the only way you could get cartoon-accurate scale is if they defied the laws of physics".

Look at Devastator. When he's combined he can hold Optimus like King Kong held Ann. And yet when he's separated, his components are shorter than Optimus- and there's only 6 of them after all.

When you make a combiner, you have to weigh up whether you're prepared to have huge individual robots or a disappointingly small combined form. Size changing technology does not work at present. Myself I'd rather have large individual 'bots- the whole point of combining is that the team can form a colossal warrior that towers over other Transformers. If you go with the "everyone must be the same size" philosophy then your combiner is basically a human (robot?) pyramid- and not very intimidating.

Also, they're made-up monsters. They can be whatever size they want, and given that they're among the more powerful and dreaded of combiners, it stands to reason they should be pretty big.

I'm still disappointed by the lack of monstrousness, but I reckon the colours could play a big part in it.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:04 pm

Size really only matters because I want combiners to look good with each other and with other robots next to them. The Warbo guys look amazing, but they're too big to fit either in my collection or on my shelf. And I think the same is true for these guys.

TFC's size is probably the best, at least for me. Although size isn't the end all and be all of the discussion.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby TheGrognard » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:14 pm

I think Troll is a great bot and I'm pretty happy with how UT has upped their game with this guy. I do hope they change the gestalt head sculpt tho. Too calm and contemplative for my taste.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:09 pm

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Well, I've got room for this guy. And more importantly, I'm not buying too many combiners after him for my Classics shelves. With Predaking complete, Computron due maybe this month and 40% of Defensor done, that leaves Monstructor-which Fansproject has teased-and Piranacon. And I'm not getting two of any of the G1 combiners.

So for me, his size isn't bad.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:48 am

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Nice packaging. I hope this thing ships out in October.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:23 am

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Hmm, I put the packaging into the recycle bin anyway. ;)
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Evil Eye » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:26 pm

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Nice packaging, but I really don't care about packaging much. I keep the boxes of high-end figures (mainly in case I want to transport them later) and I wouldn't throw the box away, but it would just be packed away somewhere. Toys are for playing with goddamnit!

(Now I think about it, I kinda want to track down a bunch of AFA graded figures just to release them from their acrylic prisons and actually let them stand free and proud. Shame they cost so damn much.)
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby craggy » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:26 pm

NOS wrote:Looks like the alt mode arms have something of a parts-forming aspect. Not a big deal, but a little disappointing for a combiner to have parts-forming for a mode that doesn't include the gestalt.

Regardless, I'm in the boat with most here who feel this guy is just too big for my collection. Sorta funny really..... first they make a combiner too small, now they make one too big. 8-}

no partsforming, except to get him into foot mode. bloody marvellous transformation and engineering, and the sculpt is pretty nice, but I already thought this lot were looking to be too big before I saw the comparison with ManiaKing. That's killed off any interest I had.

I'm not opposed to a big gestalt mode, but that's only one reason I'll buy a combiner team. I like the option of posing them individually alongside the rest of my collection and these are too big for that. Beast mode could get away with it, sure, because they are monsters, but bot mode having the little guys in the team as big as Galvatron? No thanks.

I wish 3rd parties would take a step back from the "make everything fng ginormous and charge $100 minimum for it!" state of mind they're all in recently. I've bought some pricey 3rd party bots in my time, but not every character requires the Masterpiece treatment (in terms of size and engineering, not talking looks here) and honestly, some of the smaller 3rd party stuff I have is some of my favourite, because it really feels like I've got value for my money. The FP Insecticons for example, weren't expensive, are a good Deluxe-ish size and have loads of play value. Important/fan favourite characters, or ones who are already huge I can see getting the same attention on their figures, but for rank and file guys like these, who've had nearly enough characterisation to fit on the back of a postage stamp, I'd be quite happy to get something Deluxe/Voyager at most, and wouldn't gripe much about simple transformations if they were effective enough.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Evil Eye » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:08 am

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With the Terrorcons I think them being huge makes sense. They are monsters after all, and IIRC they're ferocious shock troops who rely on sheer size, power and bloody-mindedness to crush the foe. Galvatron was always a "normal sized" robot whilst the Terrorcons were hulking brutes.

If it was something like Menasor I'd agree completely because, well, they're cars. They're not going to be massive. Abominus on the other hand is one of the mightiest and strongest combiners ever, second only to Predaking. He's usually depicted as absolutely massive, so it makes sense his components would be pretty damn big too. I don't know how big the individual Terrorcons appeared in the cartoon (I haven't gotten to season 3 yet) but given the cartoon's somewhat questionable grasp on scale and keeping characters a consistent size, I'm not sure it matters.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Rated X » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:32 am

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Delta Magnus wrote:With the Terrorcons I think them being huge makes sense. They are monsters after all, and IIRC they're ferocious shock troops who rely on sheer size, power and bloody-mindedness to crush the foe. Galvatron was always a "normal sized" robot whilst the Terrorcons were hulking brutes.

If it was something like Menasor I'd agree completely because, well, they're cars. They're not going to be massive. Abominus on the other hand is one of the mightiest and strongest combiners ever, second only to Predaking. He's usually depicted as absolutely massive, so it makes sense his components would be pretty damn big too. I don't know how big the individual Terrorcons appeared in the cartoon (I haven't gotten to season 3 yet) but given the cartoon's somewhat questionable grasp on scale and keeping characters a consistent size, I'm not sure it matters.


I wish I could sugarcoat it in my mind that well. I cant unsee the fact that the upsizing wasn't done with fiction in mind. It was done to try and build hype to start a 3rd party MP scale craze. Then they can start doing the same characters all over again and make more money. I gave in to MMC Feral Rex because while the individual bots are bigger than the Hercules bots, the combiner still manages to scale with Hercules. And the fact that they kept Razorclaw the same height as his troops was a nice nod to cartoon accuracy. Warbotron should have gone for the same effect. I would have been a buyer. Same thing for Ordin. I could live with larger limb bots, but that giant foot tall Hun-Grrr is going to be just horrible. TFC's razorclaw was a joke.
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Evil Eye » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:25 pm

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Well with the torso-bot thing, the torso-bots have always been larger than the limb-bots. From what I've seen of Predaking, Razorclaw was always a fair bit taller than the other Predacons. Same with basically every other combiner team that wasn't Devastator (and only because he had 2 bots forming his torso). Also, I really don't subscribe to the idea that all combiners should be the same size- if anything they should vary in size depending on the vehicles they turn into (with Superion being huge, Menasor being kinda small and Bruticus being...well, first he needs to change Blast Off into something that actually makes sense...).

Personally I don't think this is some kind of "MP Combiner craze", I think the designers just like making larger toys with more room for engineering. Also there is no doubt that larger component bots allows for a much more impressive combined mode. FP Bruticus is cool and all, but because his members are scout class (with one deluxe class) he ends up a little short- anything bigger than a Voyager can punch him in the stomach. Warbotron's Bruticus on the other hand is a towering goliath that looks like he can crush most Autobots beneath his feet, and he's actually almost to vehicle mode scale with most figures (except of course for Swindle and Blast Off, who are forever destined to be woefully out of scale...unless someone decides to make Blast Off a jet and Swindle a Marauder APC or something more sensible).

Also not sure how TFC Razorclaw is a "joke". I mean, sure he's a lot bigger than his teammates (who are not exactly small themselves) and his headsculpt is very different, but aside from that he's pretty awesome. He's big, menacing, and more importantly his lion mode actually looks like a lion rather than a brick with legs and a lion head.

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And then there's the fact that Leo Dux has to stick parts of his lion mode belly on Talon's wings every time he wants to transform (as if Talon wasn't enough of a blocky mess already). Also his large size compared to his limb-bots means his combined mode is better proportioned and doesn't have ridiculously thick lower legs.

I mean, there is the argument of G1 accuracy, but, well...

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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby megatronus » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:11 pm

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Of all the pics you could have chosen to make Leo Dux look like a brick with legs, you chose the wrong one. That pic of Leo Dux looks great.

MMC took G1 concepts and did a fantastic job updating them, IMO. With TFC, I can't even recognize most of their Predacons as Predacons... so, yea. If you can't find a reason to hate on G1 other than the fact you can't relate to it due to your age, then its best to err on the side of respectful silence. You kind of had to be there.

Also, for all the praise you heap on Nemean, try displaying him without the guns on his back. I think you'll find he looks like a plank with legs.

BUT WAIT - why are we talking about this in an ABOMINUS thread??? :BOOM: :BOOM: :BOOM:
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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

Postby Evil Eye » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:42 pm

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megatronus wrote:Of all the pics you could have chosen to make Leo Dux look like a brick with legs, you chose the wrong one. That pic of Leo Dux looks great.


Are you joking? He looks ridiculous. He looks more like a goddamn pussycat than a lion. That and the way his legs are basically bolted to the side of a square arse rather than actually looking like legs.

MMC took G1 concepts and did a fantastic job updating them, IMO. With TFC, I can't even recognize most of their Predacons as Predacons...


Which is a good thing, because the original Predacons were monstrously derpy. I mean, look at them. Razorclaw looked like a plush toy, the limb-bots were just plain daft, and the combined mode was a thunder-thighed mess. The original concept was good, but the execution was atrocious. TFC is the concept done right. MMC's has some good thing about it, but is too beholden to G1 to work properly, resulting in the combined mode's lower legs being way too thick, the torso being too small, and the beast modes all looking, quite frankly, terrible.

so, yea. If you can't find a reason to hate on G1 other than the fact you can't relate to it due to your age, then its best to err on the side of respectful silence. You kind of had to be there.


I'm not "hating on it" because I can't relate to it due to my age. I'm saying the original G1 Predacons (especially the toy) was a good concept that had objectively terrible execution. Putting aside the fact that in a team called the PREDAcons, only 3 of them were actually predators, the designs were bad. The TFC version takes those concepts and gives them the modern interpretation they so desperately deserve.

Also, quit with the "You had to be there" argument. If anything I'm more qualified to judge it as I'm not blinded by nostalgia/rose-tinted goggles. G1 isn't some kind of sacred work that must be honored at every moment. It's an outdated merchandise-driven cartoon that had some redeeming factors (such as the admittedly top-notch voice acting and...well, that's it). Practically every single Transformers cartoon that has come since has surpassed it in terms of quality. The animation is blatantly terrible. The story makes no sense. The character designs were exceedingly average. The characters were utterly one-dimensional. It's not something like the original Gundam or Evangelion, which despite being kinda dated and questionably animated at times had incredible stories and deep, well-written characters. It's a cheaply made (even by 80s standards I might add) cartoon made to convince children to buy repurposed Japanese toys. It deserves a footnote, but it's time to move on. We've had G1. It's time for something new. And quite frankly I'm disappointed that thanks to the hordes of people still convinced that nothing can ever be better than G1 that the third-party market will always be beholden to making figures based on those tired old concepts, instead of coming up with something new or homaging more deserving continuities.


Also, for all the praise you heap on Nemean, try displaying him without the guns on his back. I think you'll find he looks like a plank with legs.


I've seen Nemean without his cannons and that's simply not true. He looks lithe and slender, sure, but he doesn't look like a "plank". And compared to the alternative (Mr Breezeblock the Wondercat) I'll take my planky lion.

Also, you could always, you know, just not take the cannons off?

BUT WAIT - why are we talking about this in an ABOMINUS thread??? :BOOM: :BOOM: :BOOM:


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Re: Unique Toys - Ordin (Not-Abominus)

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