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[MagnusPrimal]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that BW occurs in the IDW continuity. But how can it? In BW, the fact that the Ark crashed on Earth 4 million years ago was pretty central to season 3. In the IDW books, that never happened, and the Autobots and Decepticons were never on Earth before, other than apparently isolated incidents. So how can BW fit into the IDW-verse?

[i_amtrunks]

To put it simply, it doesn't.
The IDW Beast Wars series ties into the old G1 cannon, not the new IDW G1 styled series.

So the IDW Beast Wars comic ties into the Beast Wars Cartoon and G1 Cartoon, but nothing else (bar perhaps the Beast Machines Cartoon)

[The Prime.]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that BW occurs in the IDW continuity. But how can it? In BW, the fact that the Ark crashed on Earth 4 million years ago was pretty central to season 3. In the IDW books, that never happened, and the Autobots and Decepticons were never on Earth before, other than apparently isolated incidents. So how can BW fit into the IDW-verse?

Well, in the IDW BW books it did happen, so I think that IDW BW is not the same continuity as IDW G1 stores (infiltration, escalation, etc)

[Leonardo]

That's it exactly, I think. IDW's BW fits into the BW cartoon but not IDW's G1 comics.

Thinking about it, I can't really remember whether the BW comics directly mention any of the G1 characters, though (apart from the reformatted Ravage and Grimlock). I suppose, if in IDW's G1 it is later revealed that an Ark crashed on Earth during Earth's prehistory (around the time of BW) then one could fudge the BW comics into either the cartoon or comic continuity. I don't know.

[Scaleface]

The Beast Wars story can fit into the Sunbow animated Transformers series, the Marvel Comics, the Dreamwave comics, and even the Devil's Due Transformers comics, as all of them had the Ark with Optimus and Megatron burried on Earth 4 million years ago, which is what they found in the Beast Wars series. The IDW continuity didn't have that happen, so Beast Wars (as it was written) can't occure - unless they also rewrite Beast Wars.

So yes, the IDW Beast Wars comics are not in continuity with the IDW G1 series. It's part of the G1 animated/Marvel/Dreamwave/Devil's Due series.

[Stormwolf]

So yes, the IDW Beast Wars comics are not in continuity with the IDW G1 series. It's part of the G1 animated/Marvel/Dreamwave/Devil's Due series.

Yup

[Alex Kingdom]

It's part of the G1 animated/Marvel/Dreamwave/Devil's Due series.

I'd say IDW Beast Wars definatly happens within the BW cartoon continuity and as such is connected to the original G1 cartoon continuity. However claiming that means it automatically ties together with the Marvel, Dreamwave and Devils Due G1 contiuities is mearly idol conjecture, none of those contiuites mesh perfectly with each other or the original G1 TV series.

Yours AK

[Stormwolf]

I'd say IDW Beast Wars definatly happens within the BW cartoon continuity and as such is connected to the original G1 cartoon continuity. However claiming that means it automatically ties together with the Marvel, Dreamwave and Devils Due G1 contiuities is mearly idol conjecture, none of those contiuites mesh perfectly with each other or the original G1 TV series.

Yours AK

BW doesn't mesh "perfectly" with any of the previously established continuities. But you can connect them all if you're willing to retcon a couple of things.

You can possibly reason that a unseen G1 happend prior to BW.

[Alex Kingdom]

I'd say IDW Beast Wars definatly happens within the BW cartoon continuity and as such is connected to the original G1 cartoon continuity. However claiming that means it automatically ties together with the Marvel, Dreamwave and Devils Due G1 contiuities is mearly idol conjecture, none of those contiuites mesh perfectly with each other or the original G1 TV series.

Yours AK

BW doesn't mesh "perfectly" with any of the previously established continuities. But you can connect them all if you're willing to retcon a couple of things.

You can possibly reason that a unseen G1 happend prior to BW.

Exactly my point, however unless the creators of the continuity go on record as saying BW or IDW BW exisits within the same continuity as any other continuity and how, then to say so is merely wishful Fanboy conjecture which requires fans to take unofficial liberties in retconing the continuities to fit tigether.

Yours AK

[Scaleface]

It's part of the G1 animated/Marvel/Dreamwave/Devil's Due series.

I'd say IDW Beast Wars definatly happens within the BW cartoon continuity and as such is connected to the original G1 cartoon continuity. However claiming that means it automatically ties together with the Marvel, Dreamwave and Devils Due G1 contiuities is mearly idol conjecture, none of those contiuites mesh perfectly with each other or the original G1 TV series.

Yours AK

I know that, but nothing in BW contradicts Marvel, animated, Dreamwave or DD. It does contradict IDW.

[Leonardo]

If IDW reveal later down the line that an Ark did crash on Earth 4 million years ago, or prior to the events of BW, then couldn't the IDW BW comics fit into the IDW comic ontinuity? Unless the BW comics reveal specifically who was aboard that Ark, surely all they need is an Ark that looks like the G1 Ark to be buried in a mountain.

[Alex Kingdom]

Unless the BW comics reveal specifically who was aboard that Ark, surely all they need is an Ark that looks like the G1 Ark to be buried in a mountain.

Yeah but the BW Cartoon revealed specifically who were on the Ark (Prime and Megatron for instance) which would not really run concurrent with IDWs G1. However I see no reason why they could not find a way to make it happen, these could be from an alternate reality, future version of of Megs and Prime or whatever that could be explained in IDW G1 at a later point. Hell they're using fuzzy science to make what's happening in IDW Beast Wars possible already!

Yours AK

[Leonardo]

Unless the BW comics reveal specifically who was aboard that Ark, surely all they need is an Ark that looks like the G1 Ark to be buried in a mountain.

Yeah but the BW Cartoon revealed specifically who were on the Ark (Prime and Megatron for instance) which would not really run concurrent with IDWs G1. However I see no reason why they could not find a way to make it happen, these could be from an alternate reality, future version of of Megs and Prime or whatever that could be explained in IDW G1 at a later point. Hell they're using fuzzy science to make what's happening in IDW Beast Wars possible already!

Yours AK

See, my thinking was that IDW could move their comics away from the BW cartoon continuity. In other words, a lot of the same events could happen, explaining Rampage, Depthcharge, Optimal Optimus, etc. but just change the Ark crew so that none of the G1 Transformers who are currently in IDW's G1 comic were aboard it when it crashed on Earth years ago. That way, they wouldn't have to have two G1 Primes, G1 Megatrons, etc. and could just say that this Ark that crashed on prehistoric Earth had...Swerve, Windcharger, Gears, for example.

[Alex Kingdom]

That would work, but persnally I'd prefer the BW comic stick as closly to the cartoon continuity as possible even if that means not incorperating IDW G1 or incorperating it in a rather bizzare/far fetched way.

Yours AK

[Leonardo]

I wouldn't want to discount the TV show, especially as the finales to seasons two and three were some of my favourite episodes and they're the ones that are harder to reconcile with IDW's G1 comic (without using alternate universes, anyway). I suppose I was trying to point out that it's not impossible to see IDW's BW as a continuation of IDW's G1 if one wants to view it as such. At least, it's workable until the BW comics start referencing characters or events that specifically contradict the G1 comic. I guess I'm just thinking aloud, working things through.

[AxiomScion]

If IDWs BW remains seprate from IDWs G1: I'm happy with that like the cat in the hat...

If IDWs BW rationally merges with IDWs G1: I'ld give props to the writters for not sticking with the status quo.

If IDWs BW irrationally merges with IDWs G1: I'ld give props for trying unless it proved 6yr old adviser proof.

I'm thinking if they merge, the last season of BW is not etched in stone for the comics, much like events from G1. And a rehash definitely seems not IDWs way of doing things so far.

I'm just glad they haven't barried BW line after the BowelMovement. Perhaps if they go in a different direction, Transtech isn't completely out of the question

Here's to hoping the company servives that long in good standing with the fans.