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by **Raven Guard** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:13 pm

How come in the comics,decapitations or headshots means death?
Aren't sparks/laser cores in a transformers chest?I mean i'm only looking at Megatron Origins so I'm not sure if this is rule of thumb.

by **Uniprimus** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:19 pm

*posts because of new sig*

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:22 pm

Dude, the head has the brain module. Once that's disconnected from the spark, Game over, man, game over.

by **Raven Guard** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:30 pm

so can a spark live outside a body?

by **Uniprimus** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:48 pm

I don't think it can...

by **Zinger** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:55 pm

Eradicator wrote:I don't think it can...

Well, it could for maybe a short period of time.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:04 pm

Zinger wrote:
Eradicator wrote:I don't think it can...

Well, it could for maybe a short period of time.

Or if it were Starscream's...

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:06 pm

Nah, I mean, like, the Spark is like a heart, and if the flow to your brain is severed, you're gone. Same with a Transformer.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:16 pm

Damolisher wrote:Nah, I mean, like, the Spark is like a heart, and if the flow to your brain is severed, you're gone. Same with a Transformer.

Now Damolisher where does it say that in the Ultimate Guide?

by **Raven Guard** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:29 pm

Damolisher wrote:Nah, I mean, like, the Spark is like a heart, and if the flow to your brain is severed, you're gone. Same with a Transformer.

thanks that makes sense although I think it should be the other way around,the spark seems unique

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:00 am

I dont want to turn this into a large debate [good thing Tramp is gone] but decapatation does not mean that a bot will die. Marvel Dreamwave and IDW have all showen a bot loseing their heads an still living.

Marvel had almost all the season 1 and 2 Autobots and a few Decepticons lose their heads in a number of stories and all surived.

Dreamwave had a shot where Starscream is playing with Bumblebee head and he lived.

IDW's Devastation #2 showes Sunstreaker's head with out a body asking to be killed.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:39 am

The spark is not a hart, it is like a soul (if you believe in souls), just as our Klingon said a lot of Tfs lost there heads without dieing, just look at Beast Wars, at a point almost every character lost his head once and they still lived.

Just that with Sunstreaker in Devastation :shock:

, damn you Klingon, damn you for that spoiler!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:44 am

Dead Metal wrote:The spark is not a hart, it is like a soul (if you believe in souls), just as our Klingon said a lot of Tfs lost there heads without dieing, just look at Beast Wars, at a point almost every character lost his head once and they still lived.

Just that with Sunstreaker in Devastation , damn you Klingon, damn you for that spoiler!

First off you should have yelled

"You Kligon Bastered...You spoiled my read!!!!!"

And anyway the book came out a week ago....you havent read it yet???

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:47 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:The spark is not a hart, it is like a soul (if you believe in souls), just as our Klingon said a lot of Tfs lost there heads without dieing, just look at Beast Wars, at a point almost every character lost his head once and they still lived.

Just that with Sunstreaker in Devastation , damn you Klingon, damn you for that spoiler!

First off you should have yelled

"You Kligon Bastered...You spoiled my read!!!!!"

And anyway the book came out a week ago....you havent read it yet???

No, nor have I Issue 1!

I get my TF comics true a English comic shop, who do a real good job I get my comics signed by Simon Furman, he's been there twice oredy.
And since I'm German I have to wayt till I get there again, damn you Christmas, get here NOW!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:02 am

Dead Metal wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:The spark is not a hart, it is like a soul (if you believe in souls), just as our Klingon said a lot of Tfs lost there heads without dieing, just look at Beast Wars, at a point almost every character lost his head once and they still lived.

Just that with Sunstreaker in Devastation , damn you Klingon, damn you for that spoiler!

First off you should have yelled

"You Kligon Bastered...You spoiled my read!!!!!"

And anyway the book came out a week ago....you havent read it yet???

No, nor have I Issue 1!

I get my TF comics true a English comic shop, who do a real good job I get my comics signed by Simon Furman, he's been there twice oredy.
And since I'm German I have to wayt till I get there again, damn you Christmas, get here NOW!

Sorry...I forgot you werent in the states but dont worry I didnt tell you the bigger surprise. :grin:

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:04 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:The spark is not a hart, it is like a soul (if you believe in souls), just as our Klingon said a lot of Tfs lost there heads without dieing, just look at Beast Wars, at a point almost every character lost his head once and they still lived.

Just that with Sunstreaker in Devastation , damn you Klingon, damn you for that spoiler!

First off you should have yelled

"You Kligon Bastered...You spoiled my read!!!!!"

And anyway the book came out a week ago....you havent read it yet???

No, nor have I Issue 1!

I get my TF comics true a English comic shop, who do a real good job I get my comics signed by Simon Furman, he's been there twice oredy.
And since I'm German I have to wayt till I get there again, damn you Christmas, get here NOW!

Sorry...I forgot you werent in the states but dont worry I didnt tell you the bigger surprise.

Puh, good for me then :-P

by **ThunderZap** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:36 am

kinda makes me wonder its effect on Headmasters :p

News Credits: 7 · by **Omega Charge** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:43 pm

Eradicator wrote:*posts because of new sig*

which is way too BIG
(way to many kb)

by **Uber Galvatron** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:07 pm

I dont think it should be death....

Fortress Maximus, Skorponok, Sideways(transformers armada both lose their heads and they dont die!
The junkions loose arms and legs
(at least i think so, one of them lost an arm during the movie so...)

:BLEND:

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:44 pm

Uh, the obvious reason Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, and Sideways don't die is because their heads are BUILT to detach. You know, seeing how Scorponok and Maximus are Headmasters, and Sideways is a psuedo-Headmaster thing?

The thing about the IDW comics is interesting.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:27 pm

Damolisher wrote:Uh, the obvious reason Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, and Sideways don't die is because their heads are BUILT to detach. You know, seeing how Scorponok and Maximus are Headmasters, and Sideways is a psuedo-Headmaster thing?

The thing about the IDW comics is interesting.

What about Optimus,Bumblebee,Blaster,Powerglide and way to many others from the Marvel G1 [both U.S. and U.K.] loseing their heads?????bumblebee more then once.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:33 pm

It would make more sense to me if the so called spark were to be located in the head with the brain. That way if the head gets removed it can be attached to a new body. Transformers should be compartmentalized enough that only the head is required to live.

A Transformer head should contain Soul/Spark, Brain, Speech Center, Optics, and an emergency life support power supply that preserves only the head.

The body should be able to be discarded, replaced and upgraded as with any other machine.

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:36 pm

Hmmmm...

That's a good point... My thing about sparks and brain modules is kinda useless when talking about the comic and cartoon, since there are no sparks until Beast Wars. Damn, I got nothin'. lol.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:45 pm

Well Heads are not needed for Transformers to survive, but still there are a lot of important circuits up there that if damaged can lead to death...

I guess it varies bot to bot, con to con as to what kind of head trauma will put them offline...

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:02 pm

Well based on that, Ironhide and Ratchet should've been immortal.

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