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by **Dispensor** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:29 am

For me, Screamer all the way. I love the voyager toy, but I think my favorite movie bot should have a better toy with hands and more articulation.

News Credits: 10 · by **Lapse Of Reason** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:36 am

Leader Blackout. The current one is too small, while Starscream, who is also small, is sill more to scale to Leader Megatron.

by **Dispensor** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:46 am

Lapse Of Reason wrote:Leader Blackout. The current one is too small, while Starscream, who is also small, is sill more to scale to Leader Megatron.

But... Blackout didn't even talk! He died from a pathetic nutshot! HE DOESN'T DESERVE A LEADER FIGURE!

by **Bonger** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:49 am

Well, since you're asking, I'd like the following:

Leader Blackout, Voayager Bonecrusher.

I'd also be in the market for a Supreme Megs.

And thats it. I want no more movie crap and I'm soooo done with the repaints. >.<

by **MegaDave** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:58 am

SavvasSavvinidis wrote:
Lapse Of Reason wrote:Leader Blackout. The current one is too small, while Starscream, who is also small, is sill more to scale to Leader Megatron.

But... Blackout didn't even talk! He died from a pathetic nutshot! HE DOESN'T DESERVE A LEADER FIGURE!

Come on guys SPOILERS - movie doesnt open in the UK till tomorrow.

Blackout had some awesome scenes and had a lot more screen time than the other decepticons

he used a lot more weapons tahn are present on his voyager figure and id love to see them in a figure that was to scale from the other decepticons

News Credits: 15 · by **Ravage XK** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:26 am

Blackout.

Starscream is fine as he is but Blackout deserves a decent transformation ( not a tripod ) and tons of detail. Im sure a huge Blackout figure would be more impressive than Starscream. Not that I dont like Starscream, I really like him even though I was prepared not to.

News Credits: 337 · by **Air Commander Starscream** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:20 am

That is a tough call...I would love to have both and I really like Blackout a lot. But I would have to go with STarscream. To much of the F-22 is sacraficed in the to. The F-22 and Starscream are both sleek and the toy is just too bulky. Plus I would like some hands and not just missiles.

Bring them both on though! :grin:

News Credits: 2 · by **Nemesis Hacker** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:43 am

while i think they both rule i think leader blackout would look better and bigger due to the helicopter blades, also ss has a lot of his robot form showing in alt mode were as blackouts u can only see if u turn upside down....

So yes its leader Blackout from me

by **brimy311** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:56 am

Leader blackout would be cool. The voyager SS is pretty cool as is. I definatly would like to see a voyager bonecrusher more then anything.

by **Phenotype** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:21 am

I'd prefer a leader Blackout because Starscream is already pretty good but the Blackout figure was rather disappointing. Not only is he too small for a voyager but they didn't really get his look down, his legs looked totally different in the film, much cooler looking.

News Credits: 150 · by **GetterDragun** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:22 am

Blackout because as someone else said, tarscream probably wouldn't be much different. Blackout needs to be bigger too.

News Credits: 3 · by **Barricade** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:24 am

i would loooooooooooooooooooove a ultimate SS and blackout (like ultimate bumblebee)

News Credits: 38 · by **Sunstar** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:46 am

I will say... Starscream. Just because

by **Versa** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:56 am

I say Leader Class Power Up VT6!

LOL!!!!

Either Blackout or Starscream would be super cool. I'd be ecstatic either way!

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:58 am

My I just say a few words?
Yes? OK!
Bring on the whole team as Leaderclass!

by **ajy101** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:39 am

what the heck is wrong with you guys that think the SS figure is "alright"? It looks like sh!t! And what's with this whole SS is to scale with Megatron?

Megatron is supposedly 35' tall, and SS is 31' tall. So if the toy Megs is 25cm, that should make SS 22cm tall.

Furthermore, SS alt mode does not even look like a real plane - it looks like a friggin kids toy! Can you imagine re-enacting the scene where Starscream takes down a few F22s - it would be a big joke. "Here's this blocky plastic toy trying to take down some F22s"

*Shakes head*

by **starhorse** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:52 am

ajy101 wrote:what the heck is wrong with you guys that think the SS figure is "alright"? It looks like sh!t

It's called an opinion...

I've gotta respectfully disagree with you on that one too. I've been extremely pleased with my Starscream figure. I would welcome a leader class version, just because they could include the hands as well as rocket launcher modes. And I'm sure they could design it in a way that the vehicle could cover up the underside better, and actually make that part look accurate to the jet.

But for the sake of choosing, I would have to pick Blackout as the best choice for a leader class. The voyager is just way off on scale, and they could definitely make it large and bad ass in a bigger class.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:58 am

ajy101 wrote:what the heck is wrong with you guys that think the SS figure is "alright"? It looks like sh!t! And what's with this whole SS is to scale with Megatron?

Megatron is supposedly 35' tall, and SS is 31' tall. So if the toy Megs is 25cm, that should make SS 22cm tall.

Furthermore, SS alt mode does not even look like a real plane - it looks like a friggin kids toy! Can you imagine re-enacting the scene where Starscream takes down a few F22s - it would be a big joke. "Here's this blocky plastic toy trying to take down some F22s"

*Shakes head*

You have no idea!
Yes the altmode is ugly, he isn't up to scale, but he is one of the best figs ever.
I hated him but that changed as I got him, he is badass!

by **Saberwing** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:08 pm

SavvasSavvinidis wrote:
Lapse Of Reason wrote:Leader Blackout. The current one is too small, while Starscream, who is also small, is sill more to scale to Leader Megatron.

But... Blackout didn't even talk! He died from a pathetic nutshot! HE DOESN'T DESERVE A LEADER FIGURE!

he died from an airstrike....

on topic - leader Blackout for sure

Starscream is an acceptable size and already a great figure - Blackout's tiny and breaks without warning (i'm on my second...) he needs a leader class treatment and a vastly improved build quality (and he needs his cannons)

News Credits: 5 · by **skywarp-2** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:09 pm

starhorse wrote:
ajy101 wrote:what the heck is wrong with you guys that think the SS figure is "alright"? It looks like sh!t

It's called an opinion...

I've gotta respectfully disagree with you on that one too. I've been extremely pleased with my Starscream figure. I would welcome a leader class version, just because they could include the hands as well as rocket launcher modes. And I'm sure they could design it in a way that the vehicle could cover up the underside better, and actually make that part look accurate to the jet.

I agree with you, I think that if a Leader class Starscream Figure were to be produced, that an accurate Altmode is a pure necessity, and as such with todays current toy engineering standards is not too far out to conceive. Further more, I also agree with "ajy101" and the previous statements about Starscream's size accuracy to Megatron and do believe his Voyager class is smaller then the actual movie bot, but I don't however, believe he looks like ****!! His undercarriage is too bulky and unrealistic, yes, but his Bot mode more then makes up for it..If anyone deserves a Leader Class it is definitely Starscream!!!!

starhorse wrote:But for the sake of choosing, I would have to pick Blackout as the best choice for a leader class. The voyager is just way off on scale, and they could definitely make it large and bad ass in a bigger class.

I agree that the Deluxe Blackout is far too small to be of any accuracy to the Movie, and I would agree that blackout does need a leader Class, but to justify him being made over Starscream is not a decision I would endorse. Starscream's design needs serious reworking in order to give him the best Movie Homage, and a Leader Class would be the perfect avenue to exploit that.

Blackout, though really cool, has a decent Deluxe Toy and in my opinion should be released as a Leader Class only after Starscream gets his redux. To allow Blackout, whose design is nearer to the Movie Persona, to be made as a leader class before Starscream whose in bad need of the revamp, is not something that should happen, to do so would allow Hasbro to get off easy. I'm sorry but their design and engineering department needs to earn that paycheck from me..

If they can do it with Brawl, they can do it with Starscream!!!

Then I say release a new Leader Class Blackout!! Leader Class Bonecrusher, leader Class Ironhide, and a Leader Class Bumblebee, because the ultimate is crap!!!

Is it me or has the new Brawl Leader Class raised the Bar on Leader Class toys to almost Masterpiece status? Hasbro screwed themselves with that toy, because it really shows us what they are capable of and as fans we really shouldn't demand less from them, nor should they produce less!!!
http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewto ... art=0&sid=
Well, that is My 2 Cents anyway.. :grin:

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:16 pm

Blackout all the way.

I've had enough of SS to last a life time, and Blackout is right up there as an all-time fave.

Plus he's too small as a voyager. He needs to be BIG!