The Energon Pub

by **Leon S Kennedy** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:23 pm

Seriously? Every Jazz toy says, Autobot Jazz! Check on Ebay or something! why! why! Why!

by **Decatron** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:26 pm

Because of rights to the name I guess.

by **Leon S Kennedy** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:27 pm

I always though cause his name was too short. {4 letters=too short?}

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:27 pm

Trademark reasons. Hasbro can't get the rights to the name "Jazz" for it's merchandise because it's deemed too generic, so Hasbro uses "Autobot Jazz" instead. Other names share the same fate.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:31 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Trademark reasons. Hasbro can't get the rights to the name "Jazz" for it's merchandise because it's deemed too generic, so Hasbro uses "Autobot Jazz" instead. Other names share the same fate.

Yep.

As usua, the funky lookin' rabbit has the answers.

by **Susinko** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:07 pm

I've read that that is the exact same reason how come "Ravage" was turned into "Battle Ravage". The name was too generic to trademark now.

News Credits: 1 · by **pittsburg_22_m** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:10 pm

Thats stupid. There are plenty of franchises that have names that aren't any more unique than "Jazz".

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:02 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Trademark reasons. Hasbro can't get the rights to the name "Jazz" for it's merchandise because it's deemed too generic, so Hasbro uses "Autobot Jazz" instead. Other names share the same fate.

I think Honda and it calling a car "Jazz" also had something to do with it in some markets...

News Credits: 2 · by **An_de** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:00 am

Leon S Kennedy wrote:Seriously? Every Jazz toy says, Autobot Jazz! Check on Ebay or something! why! why! Why!

Hasbro decided to name him that. Ratchet... I mean Autobot Ratchet is named that way too.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:02 am

The Master Blaster wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Trademark reasons. Hasbro can't get the rights to the name "Jazz" for it's merchandise because it's deemed too generic, so Hasbro uses "Autobot Jazz" instead. Other names share the same fate.

Yep.

As usua, the funky lookin' rabbit has the answers.

That rabbit. He's just so darn funky.

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:16 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Trademark reasons. Hasbro can't get the rights to the name "Jazz" for it's merchandise because it's deemed too generic, so Hasbro uses "Autobot Jazz" instead. Other names share the same fate.

I dont think it's because it is too 'generic', as the name Jazz isnt deemed too generic for the Honda of that name. More likly is that there is some other toy that has already trademarked the name 'Jazz'.

i_amtrunks wrote:I think Honda and it calling a car "Jazz" also had something to do with it in some markets...

Dosnt the reissue of G1 Jazz also go by the name 'Autobot Jazz' (which I'm reasonably sure predates the Honda Jazz)?

Susinko wrote:I've read that that is the exact same reason how come "Ravage" was turned into "Battle Ravage". The name was too generic to trademark now.

Im not entirly sure that is the case, because the Ravage alt that turns into a puma is just called 'Ravage' (unless inbetween the two toys Hasbro managed to secure the name, which is of course possible). I was under the impression that Battle Ravage was called that becuase he was actully based more on the BW character (which was called Battle Ravage)(at least going by thew Binaltech story).

Of course I may be wrong on that.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:26 pm

Redimus wrote:
i_amtrunks wrote:I think Honda and it calling a car "Jazz" also had something to do with it in some markets...

Dosnt the reissue of G1 Jazz also go by the name 'Autobot Jazz' (which I'm reasonably sure predates the Honda Jazz)?

Yes it did. The "Honda Jazz" reason is actually why the Alternator was called "Meister" instead of "Autobot Jazz"

Redimus wrote:
Susinko wrote:I've read that that is the exact same reason how come "Ravage" was turned into "Battle Ravage". The name was too generic to trademark now.

Im not entirly sure that is the case, because the Ravage alt that turns into a puma is just called 'Ravage' (unless inbetween the two toys Hasbro managed to secure the name, which is of course possible). I was under the impression that Battle Ravage was called that becuase he was actully based more on the BW character (which was called Battle Ravage)(at least going by thew Binaltech story).

Of course I may be wrong on that.

Sorry, same reason as Jazz as far as I know. Remember Energon Battle Ravage? The Alternator was named after him

That throws the whole "Beast Wars Battle Ravage" rumor out of the window.

News Credits: 2 · by **CyberTooth** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:53 pm

Does it really matter? Autobot is simply a faction designation. Hasbro uses it here to trademark the name.

Sorry, same reason as Jazz as far as I know. Remember Energon Battle Ravage? The Alternator was named after him That throws the whole "Beast Wars Battle Ravage" rumor out of the window.

No, it doesn't, Takara did use Battle Ravage as being the Ravage of the Beast Wars timeline. Hasbro, may have simply brought the name over here to side step trademark issues, but since Hasbro has never offered any official story for the Alternators, Battle Ravage may in fact still be BW Ravage in some assumed manner.

After all, the Jaguar Ravage is simply Ravage.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:44 pm

CyberTooth wrote:Does it really matter? Autobot is simply a faction designation. Hasbro uses it here to trademark the name.

Sorry, same reason as Jazz as far as I know. Remember Energon Battle Ravage? The Alternator was named after him That throws the whole "Beast Wars Battle Ravage" rumor out of the window.

No, it doesn't, Takara did use Battle Ravage as being the Ravage of the Beast Wars timeline. Hasbro, may have simply brought the name over here to side step trademark issues, but since Hasbro has never offered any official story for the Alternators, Battle Ravage may in fact still be BW Ravage in some assumed manner.

After all, the Jaguar Ravage is simply Ravage.

No no, Takara and Hasbro do not share trademarks. We're talking names here

The Japanese version of Alternator Battle Ravage was simply called "Ravage" instead of the usual Japanese name "Jaguar", to differentiate the reborn BW Ravage from G1 Ravage. "Battle Ravage" was never used in Japan.

News Credits: 2 · by **CyberTooth** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:49 pm

Ah my mistake. I must've misread things, nothing new there though.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:31 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Redimus wrote:
i_amtrunks wrote:I think Honda and it calling a car "Jazz" also had something to do with it in some markets...

Dosnt the reissue of G1 Jazz also go by the name 'Autobot Jazz' (which I'm reasonably sure predates the Honda Jazz)?

Yes it did. The "Honda Jazz" reason is actually why the Alternator was called "Meister" instead of "Autobot Jazz"

Woot! Partly right! Pretty sure you were the one who mentioned that Alternator/Honda issues in the first place JelZe!