The Energon Pub

by **Rushie** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:46 am

I mostly collect Movieverse figures, though I've got some other figures boxed up.
Recently I came across a RID Optimus Prime MIB for a reasonable price, so I picked it up.
I had heard much praise for RID Prime over the years and passed on one in 2006, kicking myself afterwards.
It prompted me to retrieve my other Optimus Prime figures from the boxed collection. Seeing those different takes on the same design made me think how Optimus is the only character to appear in every single continuity. It would be a cool sub-collection to have all the different OP characters together. That is characters, not molds or bodies.

According to TFwiki, these are the continuities from which I need an Optimus:

- Generation One
- Robots in Disguise
- Unicron Trilogy
- Movieverse
- Animated
- Aligned

There are more continuities out there, but for different reasons, I didn't include them:

- Beast Era
Technically, it's part of the G1 continuity. Prime exists alongside Primal, excluding the need for the latter to represent his continuity. Besides that, I don't want a single animal alongside all the trucks.

- TransTech
A cool, different take on OP, but alas the toys never got released.

- Go-Bots, 1st TransFormers
There's no OP in these toylines. The newest Rescue Bots has one, but he's very G1.

- Universe
Nothing but repaints in this series, which simply combines previously existing universes. The two unique Optimuses are a repaint of the RID spychanger and a comic-only amalgation of various OP designs.

- Shattered Glass
The toy is a repaint of a G1 design, as is most of this continuity. His colours would look out of place, as well.

Excluding those, that leaves six Optimus Primes and my goal is to get the ones that best represent the universe they're from.

G1: I've got the Deluxe figure from the Ultimate Battle box set, which isn't that good. I dig the robot mode, but the vehicle lacks a cohesive shape and part of me wants to represent G1 with an actual G1 Prime, or at least a reissue.

RID: It's either the Super figure or the spychanger and that choice is easy. And well, the Super figure is the reason I started this sub-collection.

Movieverse: I've got the RotF Leader, but he resides in my main collection. The only other detailed Movie Prime I've got is the first film's Voyager. Eh, he's good enough and I'm not going to double dip on another variation of the RotF Leader.

Animated: I have the Deluxe Battle Begins box set figure, with battle damage. The Voyager is technically better, being more complex and show-accurate, but he's so similar it's not worth it to me. I also kinda dig the cartoony battle damage and how they set him apart from the others.

Aligned: Here's where it gets weird. I've got WFC Optimus (Rage over Cybertron repaint), but to me WFC is a G1 story, apart from Prime. I can ignore that and follow official continuity, but that would mean he's the same guy as Prime OP. Prime Optimus Prime (First Edition) looks cool, but the style isn't really all that unique. G1 is retro and blocky, RID is very Japanese and highly stylized, Movie is nano-detailed and alien, Animated is smooth and curvy, A/E/C is chunky, gimmicky and chock full of delicious sci-fi detailing. Prime Prime is pretty much Movie Prime in silhouette and upper body, with Animated inspired detailing. So as far as I'm concerned, WFC Prime is my Aligned Optimus Prime.

A/E/C: The only continuity from which I'm lacking an Optimus. There are basically three versions I'm looking for here, but they're so different, it's hard to see them as the same character. I'm leaning towards the Cybertron Leader, since it looks far more awesome than the Armada and Energon guys. Cybertron's figures are also packed with more articulation and better gimmicks than the other two series. Plus, he's got a removable Matrix and faceplate, which no other Prime in my collectio has.

So which Primes do you suggest for such a display? Did I forget a continuity or a different incarnation of Optimus?

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:26 am

So you're basically asking which mold is most suited for each Optimus incarnation? That's a bit hard, but I'll see what I can recommend.

Generation 1, Generation 2
You can never go wrong with the G1 original. One tip I should give though is to look for Japanese reissues if you have the money, as the US reissues have the smokestacks trimmed and the missiles elongated.
Another version worth seeking out, aside from the desired Classics Voyager, is the G2 Laser Optimus Prime, simply the best toy of his time. He even has a new trailer.

Beast Wars
There are no more than 3 Optimusses (well, including the Japanese Convoys) in this era, one for each series. Since you don't want animals in your setup will casually skip that.

Robots in Disguise
You already have the only large toy, and I don't blame you

Unicron Trilogy
This one's iffy, not only because there are indeed three separate designs of him, but Japan first considered their version of Energon and Cybertron separate series and not sequels. So Energon and Cybertron Prime were separate characters at first. For the sake of simplicity, stick with the Cybertron version.

Live Action Movies
The general opinion is that RotF Leader Prime is the best out there, and for good reason. Since you already have one and I assume want a second, look at some of the (really expensive) Japanese versions. I'd recommend looking at either Buster or Striker, or if you have a lot of cash to blow, at Jetwing.

Animated
Easy: Voyager wins hands down. If you want a special display, look into the shiny Japanese edition.

Prime
Unlike Hasbro, I do not consider WFC and Prime Prime the same character. As such, I prefer the First Edition for lack of obstructing gimmick. Not to worry though, rumor has it that Hasbro is looking into a re-release in Fall.

War for Cybertron
Another easy one: Generations with the design from the first game.

News Credits: 11 · by **Overcracker** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:46 pm

G1/G2: Gotta garee with the Rabbit here, a G1 Prime is a must have. I own the Takara Encore 01 and its very very nice indeed. I do pair it up with BTS's Matrix of Leadership set: BTS-03. Just because the Matrix is nice and translucent, and he gets the much needed Axe that is only present in the Book Style Release.
Power Master Prime is also a good representation, but not nearly as iconic.

G2 Laser Rod Prime is one of the greats of its time as well. though I'm trying to track down the Exclusive Ultra Magnus repaint at a decent price.

Jumping ahead to R.I.D. he's is the number 1 figure in my collection and the sole reason I started collecting as an adult, he's just that awesome. He also makes the core to one of the more impressive and chrome-tastic Prime Supermodes since Power Master Prime.

Armada pays homage to the Primes of the Past, and I think he's iconic in that he's the first one to return to the classic Truck and trailer combo from G1/G2 since Star Convoy. He is quite motionless, but packs quite a lot of features. There's also the more poseable deluxe with Minicon partner Over-Run. He's quite nice and has seen a few repaints so should be easier to find.

Energon Prime is not as good by himself, he really needs Wing Saber to shine, so I would skip him, though personally I do like him quite a bit.

Cybertron Prime on the other hand is blocky, poseable, and loaded with features. He's the one I suggest getting, if and only if the immobility of Armada Prime is not your cup of tea.

Classics Voyager is the one to own.

Animmted Voyager again the one to choose. Deluxe Earth Mode Prime though has the benefit of the better looking axe though.

ROTF all the way for the movie primes , so many ROTF repaints and remolds out there there should be no problem getting one.

F.E. Prime for Prime Prime :grin:

if you can look past the floppy sword.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:12 pm

At first, my TF collection WAS a Optimus Prime collection. So, here's my reccomendations for the best Primes out there.

G1: Get the original, duh.

G2: Laser Prime. You can cheat and get the RtS version.

Unicron Trilogy: For me, Energon IS Armada's sequel, while Cybertron is a completely different continuity. If you don't want other characters to "pollute" the Optimusses for combining's sake, go for Armada OP with trailer. His super mode is not too shabby. You have also the moral obligation to own Galaxy Force's Galaxy Convoy A.K.A Cybertron Leader Optimus Prime, complete with his "trailer". His super mode is just GLORIOUS.

Animated: Takara's voyager OP with his jetwings. **** is just awesome and surprizingly not too expensive.

Movie: Obvious Leader RotF OP is obvious. I don't personally like him, but most people do. You'll get a special Takara version if you have the cash. Personally, I find the HftD voyager Battle Blade OP to be the superior one. He look awesome in both robot and vehicle mode. He have blades, guns, and his transformation is challenging without being frustrating.

War For Cybertron: So far, Generation Cybertronian OP is your only choice. And he's a GREAT transformers.

TF Prime: 1st edition Voyager OP. The most show accurate and perfect. WAY supperior than the RiD version.

Optimus in name, but not him: Masterforce God Ginrai. He's my #1 TF ever. Look it up and you'll see why.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:17 pm

Optimal Optimus/Primal Prime isn't just an animal alt mode, and I'll be honest here, the gorilla form isn't all that convincing anyway. That the Optimal Optimus body came about as a result of spark swapping shenanigans with G1 Prime, I'd say the mold should qualify. I just think it's a pretty cool mold. Love the big shoulders. The Primal Prime repaint from the Beast Machines line will fit in better in a big lineup of Optimi though, so maybe go with that one.

Give Leo Convoy a shot too. Not the same character as Optimus Prime, of course, but he definitely fits the role in his own continuity.

A/E/C-wise, I'd suggest maybe getting a hold of the Armada one, and his various super-mode add-on buddies: Jetfire/Powerlinx Jetfire and Overload/Ultra Magnus. Brick-tastic to be sure, but a darn nice sight when all put together. Along similar lines, if you've already got RiD Optimus, see about getting RiD Magnus. They're both great figures, and combine to form Omega Prime, the most awesome upgraded form any Optimus has ever had.

by **Valandar** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:12 pm

Just adding my two cents - Cybertron OP (or Galaxy Force Convoy, if you prefer the Japanese) is one of the best Leader Class Primes ever made (i.e., since they came up with the idea of size classes).

News Credits: 3 · by **Kibble** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 pm

What about Alternators Optimus Prime? I know a lot of people don't like him, but I do...especially the BT version w/ the extra details. I thought about getting a version of every Prime...until I ran into some pretty craptastic versions.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:27 pm

Kibble wrote:What about Alternators Optimus Prime? I know a lot of people don't like him, but I do...especially the BT version w/ the extra details. I thought about getting a version of every Prime...until I ran into some pretty craptastic versions.

Alternator OP IS bad. Well, not so bad that it must be hidden in the back row, but there's lot of missed potential here.

Alternity OP however, is kinda nice if you look past the derpy lower legs. The diecast, rubber tires, and accurate car mode add to the goodness of this mold.

Crappyest OP I have? The one that came with tank Megs in that "ultimate battle" two-pack. The robot mode is nice looking but the vehicle mode is just a big and steamy puddle of vomit.

by **WolfDawg** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:20 am

I don't buy Hasbro's slapdash "alligned" continuity. It just seems like it's full of holes and they're just shoving a bunch of universes with completely different aesthetics together and calling it one continuity because they can. IMO, the continuities should be as follows:

G1 Optimus Prime
G2 Laser Prime
Machine Wars Optimus Prime
RID Optimus Prime
Armada Prime (preferably the deluxe one)
Energon Prime
Cybertron Leader Prime
Classics Voyager Prime
Shattered Glass Prime
Revenge of the Fallen Buster Prime
Animated Voyager Prime
Prime FE Optimus Prime
Alternators Prime
Alternity Prime
Botshots Optimus Prime
WFC Optimus Prime
Kre-O "Deluxe" Prime
Rescue Bots Prime
Hearts of Steel Prime (AKA MMC Knight Morpher)

I'm not sure if Kre-O is supposed to be a different universe, but I'm pretty sure it is. Same thing with Rescue Bots, I'm not sure what the continuity for that is. I think it's part of the Go-Bots continuity, but don't quote me on that. The whole TF parallel universe thing makes my head hurt.

The Beast Primes don't really count, in my opinion, because their not Optimus Prime. They're Optimus Primal, Lio Convoy, and Big Convoy. Three characters who aren't Optimus Prime. I have all three and can say that they do, at least, look great with each other in a beast convoy display.

News Credits: 12 · by **robofreak** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:28 am

Very little love for Machine Wars Optimus Prime here.

Machine Wars is basically a micro-continuity that we know very little about except for what's on the toy packages.

Before Jelze and sabrblade come in, yes I'm aware that is refers to G1, but there are also enough differences that I don't think Machine Wars really belongs to eny specific continuity except for it's own.

The only one that can really understand how the continuities work together is the Doctor. I think that can be a universally agreed upon fact. :-B

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:03 am

robofreak wrote:Very little love for Machine Wars Optimus Prime here.

Machine Wars is basically a micro-continuity that we know very little about except for what's on the toy packages.

Before Jelze and sabrblade come in, yes I'm aware that is refers to G1, but there are also enough differences that I don't think Machine Wars really belongs to eny specific continuity except for it's own.

The only one that can really understand how the continuities work together is the Doctor. I think that can be a universally agreed upon fact.

IMO, both Machine Wars and G2 Gobot Optimus Prime should not count as true Prime figures, because they're repaints of other characters, G1 Thunder Clash and G2 Firecracker respectively. :-B

by **Rushie** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:11 pm

Thanks for the suggestions,
I've been searching the TFwiki and TFU.info to define
what makes a toy fit for my Optimus Prime convoy (pun intended)
In the end, I decided to give a few figures some slack
and deny others for the sake of a better looking ensemble.

Generation One
I went and picked up the 25th anniversary edition of G1 Prime, since I was really adement that an actual G1 mold represented the original OP. It also comes with the trailer and Roller, which I've always found interesting inclusions.

I know there are other toys out there which look far more like the cartoon, like the Robot Masters, Classics Voyager, Hybrid Style and the two Masterpiece molds. I know this sounds really silly, but I actually prefer the simplistic G1 toy over all the modern recreations, because it's actually part of and has the features of the G1 toyline; die-cast, funky 80's-licious stickers and a simple transformation and articulation.

Aside from the neo-G1 designs, there are several unique looking figures I decided against, because they all represent G1 Optimus but lack the iconic look.
These are;
Powermaster - Small robot is just like the G1 figure, super robot is also too similar.
Star Convoy - Very bricky robot, sci-fi alt mode. Shape and colors don't give me the OP vibe
Machine Wars - Not originally intended as the character and despite his trailer, this shows.
Gobot - Cars never look much like OP, even in these colours. Also a repaint of a non-OP.
Laser - Cool and much celebrated. But the alt is like Movie OP and the torso takes too much after G1.
Hero - White truck cab that ends up on the legs = wrong. Upper body looks just like Laser OP.
Alternators - A pick-up, which is close enough, but the robot doesn't look too good, especially those shoulders.
Alternity - A car and he's only got his head and colours to give the OP vibe. Also expensive for a deluxe.

Beast Wars
I actually forgot about Optimal Optimus. The only non-organic beast OPs I remembered were Transmetal Optimus, which lacks any resemblance to the typical OP design, and the Leobreaker retool in red and blue.
Optimal Optimus actually features a wheeled mode, which makes more sense in a convoy. His beast mode can easily be ignored and although his alt modes don't look like much, the robot is very cool. I'm considering the Primal Prime repaint to represent the Beast Era Optimus.

Robots in Disguise
There's also a Titanium version of RID Prime. Not that this changes anything =)

Unicron Trilogy
I went back and forth over this and ultimately decided to get all three, with the big trailer towing versions for Armada and Energon. The trailers just add so much to the vehicle modes and add more Super modes for the display.

Movieverse
I don't want a second RotF leader, but my 2007 Voyager isn't too impressive either. With his trailer-towing collegues in mind, I might go for the Movie Trilogy Deluxe figure with trailer. His shape is more movie-accurate than the first Voyager mold and his trailer has an inside, unlike Ultimate Optimus, who can stay in my movieverse display as Ultra Magnus.

Animated
I looked up some pictorial comparisons between the Voyager and Deluxe molds. While the Voyager has a more show-accurate alt-mode in shape and colours, I don't prefer his robot mode over the Deluxe. It's more intricately detailed sure, but that makes for a less clean and sleek robot mode, which is what the Animated aesthetic is all about. In order to represent this universe, Deluxe Battle Begins OP may stay.

War for Cybertron
It's a pre-cartoon G1 game in my mind, but the design is different enough to include him. That gives Titanium War Within Optimus a reason to want in and he might be on to something.

Prime
The design might be animated movieverse, but FE Voyager OP looks awesome enough to ignore that and give him a chance too. The P-RID edition is decent enough to get if I see it before Hasbro announces concrete plans for FE rereleases.

I know this all sounds a bit stupid. Some are too close to the G1 design, others too different. The thing is, I'm looking for that thin line on which a design can balance which makes him instantly recognisable as an Optimus, without instantly reminding you of any other specific version of Optimus.

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Now, for my next question. The reason why I want a whole fleet of different Primes, is because of that Takara black RotF Optimus repaint which had an awesome bio. It's basically a Nemesis Prime who sets out to hunt and destroy all versions of Optimus. Thus, I want the display to represent a storyline in which all the different Optimuses team up to stop a rampaging evil version.

That means I need a cool Nemesis Prime / Scourge / Black evil Optimus under any name who is not a repaint of an Optimus I've got listed above as eligible. Strange and kind of against the whole point, I know. But I simply don't like a straight repaint to represent an evil clone. It could always be a corrupted version of a whole different Optimus who is not represented among the group. Animals and sci-fi alt modes are allowed.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:29 pm

You're asking a bit much there, for a Nemesis Prime that isn't a repaint of a Prime figure. Fortunately, you have a loophole, as you don't count Lioconvoy from BWII and Big Convoy from BW Neo as real Optimus Primes. As such:

Meet Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime, a corrupted clone of a deceased alternate universe Optimus Prime. A servant of Unicron who carries the Dead Matrix, the antithesis of the Creation Matrix. Almost impossible to find (I so want one! :sad:

), but will be worth it.

by **Rushie** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:29 pm

For the record, I'm counting all Optimus repaints whom I haven't planned for my OP display. So Black G1 Prime can't become Nemesis, but black Masterpiece or Robot Masters or Powermaster Prime can. Animated and RotF can't, but RID Scourge can, since I'm not including Laser Optimus

As for Universe Nemesis Prime, he's a really sweet looking figure and one I've wanted even before the films came out and I started focusing on movie figures. Is he really so rare/expensive? Would be a shame.

by **SJ21** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:02 pm

Most of the Primes I would suggest were already mentioned by other people.

For Animated, if you are into large figures, check out Roll Out Command Optimus Prime. He is about a foot tall. I love it.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:42 pm

Rushie wrote:For the record, I'm counting all Optimus repaints whom I haven't planned for my OP display. So Black G1 Prime can't become Nemesis, but black Masterpiece or Robot Masters or Powermaster Prime can. Animated and RotF can't, but RID Scourge can, since I'm not including Laser Optimus

As for Universe Nemesis Prime, he's a really sweet looking figure and one I've wanted even before the films came out and I started focusing on movie figures. Is he really so rare/expensive? Would be a shame.

Well, since you don't have any Masterpieces, Go for Masterpiece Optimus Prime Black Version, who is a repaint of MP-01. Why? First, he's an EVIL looking Optimus, two, the MP-01 mold is HUGE and HEAVY. Bigger than a standard leader, almost like a supreme class. He's normally just above 100$.

If you prefer purple, and a smaller bot of the same mold (standard leader size), there's always Evil Leader From I-Gear. This 3rd party product seem to be of great quality, without any die-cast, and is more cheap. (around 70$)

by **Optimum Supreme** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:27 pm

If you can get ahold of one, I'd go with RID Scourge (or his Car Robots counterpart) for your nemesis. He might not be as big as the black masterpiece repaint, but he's still incredibly awesome.