The Energon Pub

[Skywarp64]

Let's list all continuity/effect/etc. errors we can find! I'll start:

I don't know if this has already been discovered, but ROTF takes place 2 years after the first movie, and if two years passed since Sam Whitwicky was in 11th grade, he theoretically should have already spent one year in college, or at least a few months.

[Capt.Failure]

Let's list all continuity/effect/etc. errors we can find! I'll start:

I don't know if this has already been discovered, but ROTF takes place 2 years after the first movie, and if two years passed since Sam Whitwicky was in 11th grade, he theoretically should have already spent one year in college, or at least a few months.

Maybe he took a year off? That's really not a continuity error. Mind you he not only had to finish high school but he ALSO was recovering from a near death experience involving giant killer robots from space. I'd take a year off after that too.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

2. In the 2007 movie, it's been made clear that Cybertronians can only be harmed by high heat grenade etc., and yet in ROTF, you still see plenty of soldiers packing assault rifles during the Shanghai mission.

3. At the end of the forest fight, Megatron kills Optimus and the Autobots are on the retreat. Why is it that Megatron doesn't press the attack, and turns tail instead? With Optimus gone, there's very little that stands in his way, so it's only logical that he press on and try to nab Sam.

[Capt.Failure]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

2. In the 2007 movie, it's been made clear that Cybertronians can only be harmed by high heat grenade etc., and yet in ROTF, you still see plenty of soldiers packing assault rifles during the Shanghai mission.

3. At the end of the forest fight, Megatron kills Optimus and the Autobots are on the retreat. Why is it that Megatron doesn't press the attack, and turns tail instead? With Optimus gone, there's very little that stands in his way, so it's only logical that he press on and try to nab Sam.

1. Sam said he was playing it up to be cute.

2. The rifles look heavily modified, probably to fire ammo that can pierce Cybertronian armor.

3. It was two Decepticons vs. 5-6 Autobots and both Decepticons (Megatron and Starscream) where badly injured from the fight. At that point retreating was the best tactical option.

Really, keep these coming. I can go on.

[ProwlJazz]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

Sam said he was playing it up, plus he probably likes talking through the radio.

2. In the 2007 movie, it's been made clear that Cybertronians can only be harmed by high heat grenade etc., and yet in ROTF, you still see plenty of soldiers packing assault rifles during the Shanghai mission.

Well maybe N.E.S.T invented new tech that incorporates that into their weapons. I don't really know though. Could be another quantum mechanics thing like in the first movie( what exists in their world, but not are own).

3. At the end of the forest fight, Megatron kills Optimus and the Autobots are on the retreat. Why is it that Megatron doesn't press the attack, and turns tail instead? With Optimus gone, there's very little that stands in his way, so it's only logical that he press on and try to nab Sam.

Well with Grindor down, Starscream with one arm, himself with heavy damage and about six or seven Autobots without damage, I would say retreating was a smart move.

Edit: Capt Failure beat me, oh well.

[Evil_the_Nub]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

Well there you go, it's still giving him problems. It might work sometimes but using the radio is easier.

2. In the 2007 movie, it's been made clear that Cybertronians can only be harmed by high heat grenade etc., and yet in ROTF, you still see plenty of soldiers packing assault rifles during the Shanghai mission.

I think they were just trying to drive them toward the Autobots. All those soldiers firing grenades in a city sounds like a bad idea anyway.

3. At the end of the forest fight, Megatron kills Optimus and the Autobots are on the retreat. Why is it that Megatron doesn't press the attack, and turns tail instead? With Optimus gone, there's very little that stands in his way, so it's only logical that he press on and try to nab Sam.

It was him against half a dozen Autobots, those aren't good odds.

There is one thing that didn't make sense to me. That after 2 years Sam and Mikaela never said they loved each other. Have you ever known 2 teenagers in a relationship? They say that after 45 minutes.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

Theres no real reason to assume Bumblebee's voice was fully restored because he spoke a few words.

[Capt.Failure]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

Theres no real reason to assume Bumblebee's voice was fully restored because he spoke a few words.

This too. For all we know those two lines of dialogue at the end of the first film was as painful to say as gargling glass. But, seeing as he cares for Sam, he felt he needed to say those words with his own voice.

Wow I put WAY too much thought into that.

As an aside: despite accusations of plot holes bigger than the grand canyon, RotF stands up well under scrutiny.

[alexison]

There are obvious holes, and "laziness in ROTF, but it is an okay movie. It's a shame to me that Skids and Mudflap, the two most developed characters in the movie, are going to be dropped from DOTM. No, I don't like the twins, but there is more you can do with them than pretend they never existed.

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

[Capt.Failure]

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

This is a "plot hole" accusation I never understood. Considering that Cybertronians are alive, just not made of flesh and blood, why would they not get into heaven/the afterlife/etc? It's a question of logic and "What measure is a non-human" for me on the matter.

And yeah, I wanted the Twins to come back because frankly killing off a character because nobody liked them is, at best, cheap writing and full of unfortunate implications at worst. More implications than the whole "blackface robot" controversy. Developing them into universally likeable characters is a better alternative and indicative of better writing.

Edit: Yes I understand that this brings into question the nature of whether a sentient machine (read: AI) has a soul. It's a moot point with Cybertronians since they weren't created by the hand of another sentient race, but a macguffin that make the laws of physics weep bitter tears of anguish.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

2. In the 2007 movie, it's been made clear that Cybertronians can only be harmed by high heat grenade etc., and yet in ROTF, you still see plenty of soldiers packing assault rifles during the Shanghai mission.

3. At the end of the forest fight, Megatron kills Optimus and the Autobots are on the retreat. Why is it that Megatron doesn't press the attack, and turns tail instead? With Optimus gone, there's very little that stands in his way, so it's only logical that he press on and try to nab Sam.

1. Sam said he was playing it up to be cute.

2. The rifles look heavily modified, probably to fire ammo that can pierce Cybertronian armor.

3. It was two Decepticons vs. 5-6 Autobots and both Decepticons (Megatron and Starscream) where badly injured from the fight. At that point retreating was the best tactical option.

Really, keep these coming. I can go on.

Chill, man. You're not looking at a Bayverse-hating Geewunner troll here. I actually own a copy of ROTF and have a more complete toyline of ROTF and most other TF lines combined.

The "errors" I pointed out honestly didn't make much sense to me, because I personally would have liked things to be explained more up front and definitively than to have come to my own conclusions.

FYI, I watched ROTF expecting stunning visuals and the movie delivered that in droves. Aside from the dorky humor, it did not disappoint.

Bottom line, it's just my two cents' worth, and I'm not trying to trash ROTF or the movieverse. I'm not the enemy.

[botomb]

I have two small ones


1.: When Sam is at the Frat party just after he has written the code on the table with cake, he goes and gets a drink. The glass is full, the camera cuts to the girl talking and then cuts back to Sam and the glass is nearly empty, cuts to the girl again and then back to Sam, with a full glass again.


2.When the Decepticons go to revive Megatron, five go down to get him. When they start to revive him they tear one apart for spare parts. On the way back up though, the submarine states six bogeys returning.

[Capt.Failure]

Not sure if there qualify as errors, but a lot of the things that happened in ROTF don't make much sense.

1. Bumblebee's voice was restored at the end of the 2007 TF movie, but was subsequently lost again in ROTF. No reason was given, other than Mikaela/Megan Fox's mention that he's "still having voice problems."

2. In the 2007 movie, it's been made clear that Cybertronians can only be harmed by high heat grenade etc., and yet in ROTF, you still see plenty of soldiers packing assault rifles during the Shanghai mission.

3. At the end of the forest fight, Megatron kills Optimus and the Autobots are on the retreat. Why is it that Megatron doesn't press the attack, and turns tail instead? With Optimus gone, there's very little that stands in his way, so it's only logical that he press on and try to nab Sam.

1. Sam said he was playing it up to be cute.

2. The rifles look heavily modified, probably to fire ammo that can pierce Cybertronian armor.

3. It was two Decepticons vs. 5-6 Autobots and both Decepticons (Megatron and Starscream) where badly injured from the fight. At that point retreating was the best tactical option.

Really, keep these coming. I can go on.

Chill, man. You're not looking at a Bayverse-hating Geewunner troll here. I actually own a copy of ROTF and have a more complete toyline of ROTF and most other TF lines combined.

The "errors" I pointed out honestly didn't make much sense to me, because I personally would have liked things to be explained more up front and definitively than to have come to my own conclusions.

FYI, I watched ROTF expecting stunning visuals and the movie delivered that in droves. Aside from the dorky humor, it did not disappoint.

Bottom line, it's just my two cents' worth, and I'm not trying to trash ROTF or the movieverse. I'm not the enemy.

Heh, no it's cool bro. I like answering these since I seriously analyze the plot and story of everything I watch and read. I take it as a friendly challenge.

I have two small ones


1.: When Sam is at the Frat party just after he has written the code on the table with cake, he goes and gets a drink. The glass is full, the camera cuts to the girl talking and then cuts back to Sam and the glass is nearly empty, cuts to the girl again and then back to Sam, with a full glass again.


2.When the Decepticons go to revive Megatron, five go down to get him. When they start to revive him they tear one apart for spare parts. On the way back up though, the submarine states six bogeys returning.

1. Not story based, but such minor editing flubs happen all the time in TV and film. I remember an X-files episode where they're in a room with glass cups on a table. They exit and re-enter the room and the cups are paper. Happens all the time.

2. Best answer I have is they picked up Scalpel on the sonar (who'd hitched a ride inside Ravage. 5 bots + Scalpel - 1 bot + Megatron = 6. Now how they picked up such a small target on sonar is another question all together.

[SlyTF1]

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

Why does no one like this part? It's one of my favorite parts.

[botomb]

two more

1.In the opening of the Shanghai scene, there's a helicopter in the scene of the transformers fight. The helicopter has words on it meaning "police" in Chinese. But Shanghai use "Gong An," not the "Jing Tsa" seen here. Both of them mean police, but different words are used in China than in other Asia countries.


1.The team go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum to find a Transformer. When Jetfire breaks out of the museum hangar he is suddenly in a large, desert-like airplane graveyard with large mountains in the background. The Udvar-Hazy Center is in Dulles, Virginia. There are no airplane graveyards directly adjacent to the museum, let alone desert land and large mountains.

[Capt.Failure]

two more

1.In the opening of the Shanghai scene, there's a helicopter in the scene of the transformers fight. The helicopter has words on it meaning "police" in Chinese. But Shanghai use "Gong An," not the "Jing Tsa" seen here. Both of them mean police, but different words are used in China than in other Asia countries.


1.The team go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum to find a Transformer. When Jetfire breaks out of the museum hangar he is suddenly in a large, desert-like airplane graveyard with large mountains in the background. The Udvar-Hazy Center is in Dulles, Virginia. There are no airplane graveyards directly adjacent to the museum, let alone desert land and large mountains.

1. Translation error. It happens alot especially with complex eastern languages where there's twelve versions of a single word.

2. One of the film's two geographical errors. Hardly a major flaw and not uncommon (you want major geographical flaws, see Volcano). This one boils down to the viewers ability to care whether there's an airport graveyard behind the Smithsonian or not. Most viewers were focused on the etneral glory of Jetfire, and from what I gathered didn't realize the error until it was pointed out. Also, it was less "desert" and more "dry." But that's just nitpicking.

[botomb]

I know, I have watched it about 20 times and I notice stuff like that.

[5150 Cruiser]

And yeah, I wanted the Twins to come back because frankly killing off a character because nobody liked them is, at best, cheap writing and full of unfortunate implications at worst. More implications than the whole "blackface robot" controversy. Developing them into universally likeable characters is a better alternative and indicative of better writing.

Yup. Redeming them in DOTM by making them fight like they did with devestator at the end of ROTF would have been much better than just not including them at all. Or at minimum have them die in battle. Personaly, i like them. And like them or not, they did have good character development. Many might not have liked how they were developed, but it was there.

[alexison]

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

Why does no one like this part? It's one of my favorite parts.

It's just personal preference. I don't think it's a plot hole per say and I don't even really get into the debate of "souls". I just think it seemed desperate and kind of silly honestly.

[Red 50]

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

Why does no one like this part? It's one of my favorite parts.

It's just personal preference. I don't think it's a plot hole per say and I don't even really get into the debate of "souls". I just think it seemed desperate and kind of silly honestly.

I found that scene very good. In a way. I'd give it 7Pts out of 10.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Heh, no it's cool bro. I like answering these since I seriously analyze the plot and story of everything I watch and read. I take it as a friendly challenge.

Heheh, good to know.

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

Why does no one like this part? It's one of my favorite parts.

It's just personal preference. I don't think it's a plot hole per say and I don't even really get into the debate of "souls". I just think it seemed desperate and kind of silly honestly.

Now this is just my personal opinion, but I felt some of the core elements in ROTF could have been much better with a little more elaboration. For instance, it would have been a lot easier for me to wrap my mind around the idea of the Allspark shard "downloading" information into Sam's mind, if only they had added a simple scene to explain it. Get either Ratchet or the Doctor to mention something about the nanotechnological nature of the Allspark and how it has the ability to convert organic matter into technorganic matter, or just anything that explains how something of cybernetic origin could be compatible with an organic brain. Granted, it;s alien technology, but a bit of explanation goes a long way.

Even a short CG scene where you see nano-molecular particles/nano-machines absorbing through Sam's fingertips and working their way up his brain, and slowly "cyberizing" his gray matter--even that would have sufficed. The film did show a tiny spark igniting when Sam held the shard, but what REALLY needed to be added was the idea that particles from the shard assimilated into Sam's body, slowly cyberizing him, which allows him access to the data contained inside the shard. That added plot point would also lend a lot of plausibility to the scene where he communes with the dead Primes...because he's being augmented/mutated into a half human, half Cybertronian technorganic being.

I'm no screenwriter, but IMO, that would have made this particular plot point in ROTF more believable.

I could easily believe how in the first movie, Megatron burned Cybertronian glyphs into Archibald Witwicky's eyes and glasses, because it's actually plausible because in the real word, like how something super bright burns an after image into your irises.

Take Iron Man 2 for instance. I've heard that in the DVD commentaries, even the director admitted that the thing about inventing a new element was a load of BS. Be that as it may, it made itself at least mildly plausible in the eyes of the viewer.

That said, the idea of Sam with the Allspark's information in his mind is quite workable, except it needs a little more explanation to allow the viewer to suspend his disbelief.

Admittedly, I'm a real stickler when it comes to these things, so it shouldn't really bother most other viewers.

DISCLAIMER: I'm just expressing my personal opinions here, with no malicious intention of trolling or trashing ROTF.

[Capt.Failure]

Heh, no it's cool bro. I like answering these since I seriously analyze the plot and story of everything I watch and read. I take it as a friendly challenge.

Heheh, good to know.

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

Why does no one like this part? It's one of my favorite parts.

It's just personal preference. I don't think it's a plot hole per say and I don't even really get into the debate of "souls". I just think it seemed desperate and kind of silly honestly.

Now this is just my personal opinion, but I felt some of the core elements in ROTF could have been much better with a little more elaboration. For instance, it would have been a lot easier for me to wrap my mind around the idea of the Allspark shard "downloading" information into Sam's mind, if only they had added a simple scene to explain it. Get either Ratchet or the Doctor to mention something about the nanotechnological nature of the Allspark and how it has the ability to convert organic matter into technorganic matter, or just anything that explains how something of cybernetic origin could be compatible with an organic brain. Granted, it;s alien technology, but a bit of explanation goes a long way.

Even a short CG scene where you see nano-molecular particles/nano-machines absorbing through Sam's fingertips and working their way up his brain, and slowly "cyberizing" his gray matter--even that would have sufficed. The film did show a tiny spark igniting when Sam held the shard, but what REALLY needed to be added was the idea that particles from the shard assimilated into Sam's body, slowly cyberizing him, which allows him access to the data contained inside the shard. That added plot point would also lend a lot of plausibility to the scene where he communes with the dead Primes...because he's being augmented/mutated into a half human, half Cybertronian technorganic being.

I'm no screenwriter, but IMO, that would have made this particular plot point in ROTF more believable.

I could easily believe how in the first movie, Megatron burned Cybertronian glyphs into Archibald Witwicky's eyes and glasses, because it's actually plausible because in the real word, like how something super bright burns an after image into your irises.

Take Iron Man 2 for instance. I've heard that in the DVD commentaries, even the director admitted that the thing about inventing a new element was a load of BS. Be that as it may, it made itself at least mildly plausible in the eyes of the viewer.

That said, the idea of Sam with the Allspark's information in his mind is quite workable, except it needs a little more explanation to allow the viewer to suspend his disbelief.

Admittedly, I'm a real stickler when it comes to these things, so it shouldn't really bother most other viewers.

DISCLAIMER: I'm just expressing my personal opinions here, with no malicious intention of trolling or trashing ROTF.

No need for the disclaimer. You sound like someone having an intelligent conversation, not a troll.

But the things you mention I can understand from a directorial/writing standpoint. Since they where under the gun to get filming with an unfinished script I imagine alot of this important stuff wasn't considered at the time. It's unfortunate the executives forced Bay to film with so little material, else alot of that could have been given a satisfying explanation. The novalisation, at least, went a little further in explaining things.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Heh, no it's cool bro. I like answering these since I seriously analyze the plot and story of everything I watch and read. I take it as a friendly challenge.

Heheh, good to know.

I think the "heaven of Primes" was the worst part of ROTF.

Why does no one like this part? It's one of my favorite parts.

It's just personal preference. I don't think it's a plot hole per say and I don't even really get into the debate of "souls". I just think it seemed desperate and kind of silly honestly.

Now this is just my personal opinion, but I felt some of the core elements in ROTF could have been much better with a little more elaboration. For instance, it would have been a lot easier for me to wrap my mind around the idea of the Allspark shard "downloading" information into Sam's mind, if only they had added a simple scene to explain it. Get either Ratchet or the Doctor to mention something about the nanotechnological nature of the Allspark and how it has the ability to convert organic matter into technorganic matter, or just anything that explains how something of cybernetic origin could be compatible with an organic brain. Granted, it;s alien technology, but a bit of explanation goes a long way.

Even a short CG scene where you see nano-molecular particles/nano-machines absorbing through Sam's fingertips and working their way up his brain, and slowly "cyberizing" his gray matter--even that would have sufficed. The film did show a tiny spark igniting when Sam held the shard, but what REALLY needed to be added was the idea that particles from the shard assimilated into Sam's body, slowly cyberizing him, which allows him access to the data contained inside the shard. That added plot point would also lend a lot of plausibility to the scene where he communes with the dead Primes...because he's being augmented/mutated into a half human, half Cybertronian technorganic being.

I'm no screenwriter, but IMO, that would have made this particular plot point in ROTF more believable.

I could easily believe how in the first movie, Megatron burned Cybertronian glyphs into Archibald Witwicky's eyes and glasses, because it's actually plausible because in the real word, like how something super bright burns an after image into your irises.

Take Iron Man 2 for instance. I've heard that in the DVD commentaries, even the director admitted that the thing about inventing a new element was a load of BS. Be that as it may, it made itself at least mildly plausible in the eyes of the viewer.

That said, the idea of Sam with the Allspark's information in his mind is quite workable, except it needs a little more explanation to allow the viewer to suspend his disbelief.

Admittedly, I'm a real stickler when it comes to these things, so it shouldn't really bother most other viewers.

DISCLAIMER: I'm just expressing my personal opinions here, with no malicious intention of trolling or trashing ROTF.

No need for the disclaimer. You sound like someone having an intelligent conversation, not a troll.

But the things you mention I can understand from a directorial/writing standpoint. Since they where under the gun to get filming with an unfinished script I imagine alot of this important stuff wasn't considered at the time. It's unfortunate the executives forced Bay to film with so little material, else alot of that could have been given a satisfying explanation. The novalisation, at least, went a little further in explaining things.

Good point. I guess with the strike and all, Bay had a massively tough time getting ROTF off its feet. I think he's an okay director [the first TF movie was good, and the trailer looks promising for DOTM], and given the time constraints and an incomplete script, even Christopher Nolan would have a hard time delivering quality work.

He made a good call, making up for the lacking story elements by capitalizing more on the visuals [Prime's mid-air transformation is a personal favorite of mine].

[_I_Am_Megatron_]

Not really an error, but Soundwave sounds like Dr. Claw.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Not really an error, but Soundwave sounds like Dr. Claw.

Technically he always did.

Welker, the voice of both G1 and Bay-vers Soundwave also did the voice for DR.Claw [not to mention many other TF's and toon characters]

He used his DR Claw voice for Soundwave and it was put trew a device for the sound effect back in G1.