The Energon Pub

[Deceptiwho?]

AS a Decepticon.... I mean technically he has no Faction right???.. or am I wrong??? Plz help!

[Dead Metal]

No cos he fights them both, I consider him to be on his one side.

[Wheeljack35]

I would think he would be the origional Decepticon and Primus the origional Autobot

[Deceptiwho?]

I would think he would be the origional Decepticon and Primus the origional Autobot

OOOHHHH arguable yet considerable!!

[Night Striker]

You can't consider him on any side as he has no alligence to the Decpeticons or Autobots. To him they are both Primus/Cybertron's children, so therefore they are the bane of his existance. He would never ally himself with anyone save for those that would allow him to destroy things.

He's a lot like Galatcus. Only exists for himself.

[Goribus]

You can't consider him on any side as he has no alligence to the Decpeticons or Autobots. To him they are both Primus/Cybertron's children, so therefore they are the bane of his existance. He would never ally himself with anyone save for those that would allow him to destroy things.

He's a lot like Galatcus. Only exists for himself.

Not completely true. Unicron founded the Decepticon race with his actions of tainting 2 of the Original 13 Autobots (this concept goes as far back as G2 predating Dreamwave's the Fallen). First he influenced The Fallen to freely give himself to Unicron, then a fraction of Unicron's essence tainted both Leige Maximo and Kaon it'self.

Also pause to reflect on the fact that Unicron's Chosen have always worn the Decepticon badge, with his Agents and Minions being made up of both factions but mostly Decepticons and Predacons.

[DREWCIFER]

I would think he would be the origional Decepticon and Primus the origional Autobot

Naw. Primus isn't really a However, they made his toy one. The 's are his creation also.

Unicron has a faction I don't know who made it up or what the story behind it is, but it's here @ Seibertron.com.

[Night Striker]

But then why does he in both the movie, and Armada want to destroy both groups of Transformers if he's the creator of the Decepticons? I was under the impression that the Con's actually formed the group after feeling that the Autobots totally screwed them over back after the first great war ended.

I could be wrong though. Didn't Sideways in Armada say he held no alligence with any of the Decepticons or Autobots? And By Armada's story didn't The Big U, create the Minicons?

[Dead Metal]

But then why does he in both the movie, and Armada want to destroy both groups of Transformers if he's the creator of the Decepticons? I was under the impression that the Con's actually formed the group after feeling that the Autobots totally screwed them over back after the first great war ended.

I could be wrong though. Didn't Sideways in Armada say he held no alligence with any of the Decepticons or Autobots? And By Armada's story didn't The Big U, create the Minicons?

In Armada Sideways was Unicron and created the Minicons with his organic material.

Nah he's his own aliance, he just choses the Cons as his heralds, cos you just have to tell them that they will get a lot of power if they work for him and that's what they want power!

[Night Striker]

So what would get the Autobots to join him if he wanted them to be a hearld? The promise of Peace? Also is it true that, if Unicron created the Minicons, did he then actually create or give parts of his spark to Trantulus and the tripreadicus? I was under the impression that it was his ties to Unicron that made Trantulus so scared of the Vok.

[Saber Prime]

Unicron is actully considered to be a Decepticon. He may be fighting them both but he is evil and in Transformers terms that makes him a Decepticon.

His toy was even packaged with the Decepticon insignia on it and he was listed under Decepticon on Hasbro's web site durring that time allthough that page is no longer there after several updates.

[Dead Metal]

So what would get the Autobots to join him if he wanted them to be a hearld? The promise of Peace? Also is it true that, if Unicron created the Minicons, did he then actually create or give parts of his spark to Trantulus and the tripreadicus? I was under the impression that it was his ties to Unicron that made Trantulus so scared of the Vok.

BW has nothing to do with Armada!
As for the Vok, I haven't seen to much of BW lately.

Also the Cons he reformated were very desperate, they were dieing, and an Autobot would refuse to help him cos it involves destroing the Matrix there symbol of good.

[Night Striker]

Actually I think it was just Megatron that accepted and the others really had no say in it.

BW has nothing to do with Armada!
As for the Vok, I haven't seen to much of BW lately.

I never implied that it did have anything to do with Armada. I was just asking becuase Unicron created the Minicons, could he have honestly given a spark to Trantulas and the Tripredicus? I was not in any way trying to link the two together.

[Dead Metal]

Actually I think it was just Megatron that accepted and the others really had no say in it.

BW has nothing to do with Armada!
As for the Vok, I haven't seen to much of BW lately.

I never implied that it did have anything to do with Armada. I was just asking becuase Unicron created the Minicons, could he have honestly given a spark to Trantulas and the Tripredicus? I was not in any way trying to link the two together.

I must have missread, sorry.
I don't think he gave them a spark, I don't even belive he has anything to do with them.
BTW what are the VOK?

[Saber Prime]

Everything you ever needed or wanted to know about the Vok can be found here.

Among the experiments the Vok began was implanting their technology and the powerful energy source Energon on the young planet Earth. Their experiment went well until a small group of Maximals and Predacons crash landed on the world. The Vok felt their experiment was compromised when many of the conflicts between the Maximals and Predacons caused the destruction of Vok constructs on Earth.

To stem the damage, the Vok tried to destroy the Transformers, warning of a great danger in the future. Time after time however, the Vok did not succeed. When the Vok felt Megatron was threatening the very time fabric of space, they sent their emissary, Tigerhawk to end the Beast Wars once and for all. The Predacon Tarantulas extracted the Vok influence from Tigerhawk however, freeing the Transformer to join the Maximals.

Just to add to that Tigerhawk is made of the fused Sparks of both Tigatron and Airrazor.

[Deceptiwho?]

This is getting super technical!!

[Night Striker]

This is what being a Transfan is about.

Anyway, short version is that the VOK are some sort of highly intellegent Aliens who basically kickstarted our evolution. They're huge heads that are scientests whom are rather angry and apparntly some how knew about earth just after the Transformers crashed there.

[Saber Prime]

This is what being a Transfan is about.

Anyway, short version is that the VOK are some sort of highly intellegent Aliens who basically kickstarted our evolution. They're huge heads that are scientests whom are rather angry and apparntly some how knew about earth just after the Transformers crashed there.

Before. The Vok were conducting their exsperiments on Earth BEFORE the Transformers crashed there.

[Goribus]

This is what being a Transfan is about.

Anyway, short version is that the VOK are some sort of highly intellegent Aliens who basically kickstarted our evolution. They're huge heads that are scientests whom are rather angry and apparntly some how knew about earth just after the Transformers crashed there.

Before. The Vok were conducting their exsperiments on Earth BEFORE the Transformers crashed there.

Actually as it was explained to me time and space are meaningless to the Vok. They were connected to G2, supposedly their an evolved form of the Swarm and they traveled time to correct a mistake made in G2.

And Autobots served alongside Decepticons in the Unicronian Cults. And that's canon, from the 80's Marvel Comics. It's unknown as to their reasons for serving him. One can only surmise that they serve him in the way the Cthulhu Cult serves Cthulhu.

[Thanatos Prime]

Unicron is actully considered to be a Decepticon. He may be fighting them both but he is evil and in Transformers terms that makes him a Decepticon.

His toy was even packaged with the Decepticon insignia on it and he was listed under Decepticon on Hasbro's web site durring that time allthough that page is no longer there after several updates.

Unicron is not a Decepticon. He is the transformer's equivalent of Satan. The Decepticon's are the transformer's equivalent of the Soviets.

If Satan were to attack in the 1950's, the US and USSR would have put aside their differences and both fought Satan's army. Could a few on both sides be tricked or talked into betraying humanity and helping Satan? Sure, but most will fight against him whether Soviet or American.

This is the same with the transformers. Hasbro put the Unicron tank as a because they don't want to confuse the little kiddies especially since he wasn't in the show. The planet Unicron figure however was neither nor , as it should be.

[City Commander]

Unicron is actully considered to be a Decepticon. He may be fighting them both but he is evil and in Transformers terms that makes him a Decepticon.

His toy was even packaged with the Decepticon insignia on it and he was listed under Decepticon on Hasbro's web site durring that time allthough that page is no longer there after several updates.

Unicron is not a Decepticon. He is the transformer's equivalent of Satan. The Decepticon's are the transformer's equivalent of the Soviets.

If Satan were to attack in the 1950's, the US and USSR would have put aside their differences and both fought Satan's army. Could a few on both sides be tricked or talked into betraying humanity and helping Satan? Sure, but most will fight against him whether Soviet or American.

This is the same with the transformers. Hasbro put the Unicron tank as a because they don't want to confuse the little kiddies especially since he wasn't in the show. The planet Unicron figure however was neither nor , as it should be.

Yep.

[Leonardo]

Unicron can be whatever faction you want. Order some faction stickers from ReproLabels and put them on him.

[Tramp]

Whoever said Unicron has never used Autobots as heralds is in error. In the SW Armada comics, Unicron plucked three Autobots—Airazor, Cheetor, and Rinox— along with the Decepticon Terrorsaur (the Armada reality's versions of the Beast Wars characters), and forcably reformatted them into his heralds. Their bios are all in the Armada MtMtE books.

[Damolisher]

Yeah, they then kicked everyone's arses in Energon.

[Dead Metal]

Whoever said Unicron has never used Autobots as heralds is in error. In the SW Armada comics, Unicron plucked three Autobots—Airazor, Cheetor, and Rinox— along with the Decepticon Terrorsaur (the Armada reality's versions of the Beast Wars characters), and forcably reformatted them into his heralds. Their bios are all in the Armada MtMtE books.

Yep that's true, they were put in there just for this one reason!