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News Credits: 21 · by **dragons** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:22 pm

skyfire bot looks ok but he just reminds me alot like the seekers with his guns on his forarms like that.

ramjet looks great in robot mode but colors paint theme seem little bit low for my stadards henkie prime, and megatron ar differnt in some ways i guess i expeceted skyfire, and ramjet to look a little differnt them selves but good figures series is just not for me thougt.

i will get some figures in this series but not all of them there just not getting my attention like hte others bumblebee, prime, mirage, with others

News Credits: 1 · by **Agent 007** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:26 pm

Not bad

by **Rijie** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:35 pm

I like them both. Skyfire has better detailing, and Ramjet is more G1 accurate.

Looks like my pre-orders will stay up.

News Credits: 409 · by **Stormrider** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:16 pm

Seibertron wrote:I'd consider Jetfire an improvement because of his head but I'm not so sure about Ramjet.

The head does look more show accurate. Does Skyfire seem to have less red on his alt mode? His tailfins and nosecone look very plain.

I am not sure if I like Classics or Henkei Ramjet better. Henkei is more show accurate. But the red on Classics seems to be a bit darker

by **JustinRODimus** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:29 pm

err... Ramjet doesn't look... well... he doesn't look finished.

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:31 pm

Stormrider wrote:I am not sure if I like Classics or Henkei Ramjet better. Henkei is more show accurate. But the red on Classics seems to be a bit darker

The red on classics isn’t really even red, its more of an rust color. Which is why I prefer this version.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:54 pm

Meh for both.

They certainly aren't bad re-deco's its just that they are not different enough to warrant a purchase.

by **robotrik** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:05 pm

I'm so glad i skipped on the entire classics line cause now i'm going to get these guys.

henkei astrotrain is on his way and i think i'll get henkei skyfire next.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:12 pm

rpetras wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:I actually prefer the Hasbro versions over these.

Yea, I've gotta agree.

I like the Jetfire, bit not more than the one I've got, and I prefer the US Ramjet.

That said, my Astrotrain is in at BBTS, pile-o-loot here I come!

What they said. Unless something comes along and WOWs me, outside of AstroTrain I'm passing on all these.

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:44 pm

First thing I buy when I get a job is Henkei Astrotrain.
I'd buy him now but I'd rather pay down my credit card a touch more before putting anything else on it.
Yay being a student!

News Credits: 10 · by **Trikeboy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:49 pm

I quite like Skyfire. He has a show accurate paintjob and it is a great mold. Fans have been wanting Skyfire since the original Jetfire was released. Here he is and fans are complaining. The manufactures must get disappointed when the give us something we want and then complain. This could lead us down a path where Hasbro/TakaraTomy stop producing things for collectors. Oh, Ramjet is quite good to. Dont have him yet so might wait for the Henkei version.

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:58 pm

Trikeboy wrote:I quite like Skyfire. He has a show accurate paintjob and it is a great mold. Fans have been wanting Skyfire since the original Jetfire was released. Here he is and fans are complaining. The manufactures must get disappointed when the give us something we want and then complain. This could lead us down a path where Hasbro/TakaraTomy stop producing things for collectors. Oh, Ramjet is quite good to. Dont have him yet so might wait for the Henkei version.

In my case, I already own the Classics Jetfire and love it, so the Henkei version doesn't have enough differences to warrant a purchase. I actually prefer the colors of the Hasbro version. If I hadn't already purchased a version of this figure I'd be all for it.

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:16 pm

Trikeboy wrote:I quite like Skyfire. He has a show accurate paintjob and it is a great mold. Fans have been wanting Skyfire since the original Jetfire was released. Here he is and fans are complaining. The manufactures must get disappointed when the give us something we want and then complain. This could lead us down a path where Hasbro/TakaraTomy stop producing things for collectors. Oh, Ramjet is quite good to. Dont have him yet so might wait for the Henkei version.

Okay, shoot me if you must, but I can't see a "huge" difference between Classics and Henkei Jet/Skyfire.
Care to explain the differences to me?

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:23 pm

The only differences are paint apps or lack thereof, different colors in different spots, and the addition of chrome. So no big difference really, just enough to have preference for one version over another.

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:38 pm

Trikeboy wrote:I quite like Skyfire. He has a show accurate paintjob and it is a great mold. Fans have been wanting Skyfire since the original Jetfire was released. Here he is and fans are complaining. The manufactures must get disappointed when the give us something we want and then complain. This could lead us down a path where Hasbro/TakaraTomy stop producing things for collectors. Oh, Ramjet is quite good to. Dont have him yet so might wait for the Henkei version.

I second that.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:09 pm

This being a site of free flowing ideas, but I've noticed this trend of putting down a product without even giving it a second chance. I too was guilty of such an attitude (wayyyyyyyyyy back with KISS Convoy, I swore I won't get the Alternator but ended up with the KISS Player).

I don't like the latest animated series because of the freaky designs but am willing to give the Voyager Optimus a second look if he is a worthy purchase.

It is a matter of preference. Me. I've got one of the first releases of Jetfire and am stoked as hell to get Skyfire (and what's this critique on the chrome? They look great but still, its just a pic, the proof in the pie is the eating)

I've noticed several opinions downgrading the Henkei stuff but the self same individuals don't actually own one one. How come? If you can't afford the purchase, then don't get one.Stop calling the units this and that.

You can only criticize a product if you actually OWN one and not base it on some notion that I prefer Hasbro or Takara.

by **Booda** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:36 pm

Love the wings on Ramjet.

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:01 pm

fenrir72 wrote:This being a site of free flowing ideas, but I've noticed this trend of putting down a product without even giving it a second chance. I too was guilty of such an attitude (wayyyyyyyyyy back with KISS Convoy, I swore I won't get the Alternator but ended up with the KISS Player).

I don't like the latest animated series because of the freaky designs but am willing to give the Voyager Optimus a second look if he is a worthy purchase.

It is a matter of preference. Me. I've got one of the first releases of Jetfire and am stoked as hell to get Skyfire (and what's this critique on the chrome? They look great but still, its just a pic, the proof in the pie is the eating)

I've noticed several opinions downgrading the Henkei stuff but the self same individuals don't actually own one one. How come? If you can't afford the purchase, then don't get one.Stop calling the units this and that.

You can only criticize a product if you actually OWN one and not base it on some notion that I prefer Hasbro or Takara.

I'd say you're almost right. I can easily criticize a book without owning it, by having read parts of it.
I can criticize a car based on reviews of fuel consumption, safety standards etc.
I can say I'm not fond of the Wii because I've played it many times and truly am not fond of it.
I don't NEED to own something to decide whether or not I like it, or the way it looks.

News Credits: 5 · by **zodconvoy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:40 pm

Took me forever to figure out what the big difference between Classics and Henkei but I finally noticed that the rear of the canopy is painted over on the Takara version. I actually does made it look more G1 show accurate than Classics.

Okay, now I'm interested in buying it. My Classics one broke an antler off of the helmet anyway.

Ramjet is a maybe if I find it at a 'con or something but not without seeing more of it.

News Credits: 409 · by **Stormrider** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:03 am

That's pretty cool. The smaller cockpit makes the plane appear larger in perspective.

by **Pyrostrata** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:28 am

Ramjet doesn't look too bad....G1-esque.....colors, though, need some help.

I would possess it, but not likely to buy it myself.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:29 am

To NucleonConvoy, let me rephrase it then, you don't have to own one but at least get a handle of the item first then say, this is total cr@p!

A majority here will say Ohhhhhhh I won't get Henkei or Ohhhh I won't get Classics when they haven't even handled one. Me, I probably am lucky that I have a pal who owns a toy store, so I can like hold a toy first before I criticize.

A bunch here will just yap and say this when they even haven't actually handled one or just can't afford it. A true collector will find a way..............

Heck next, we'll be getting Omega Supreme sucks, he ain't articulated blah,blah,blah

News Credits: 5 · by **zodconvoy** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:02 am

fenrir72 wrote:Heck next, we'll be getting Omega Supreme sucks, he ain't articulated blah,blah,blah

Not articulated?? He could WALK for pete's sake!!!

Now, it's true that we base most of our opinions of things we don't own on first impressions. We all do it. It's part of the human condition. But the only way to change opinions is through exposure to the item in question. So far all we have is a couple of bad pictures and a price tag. The question is two fold: do the pics justify the price and is the price worth replacing what I already have/ what is already available to me. Ramjet, based on the pics and the price tag plus the fact that I already own one, is not worth the price at this time. Skyfire is, based on design changes and the personal fact that mine is broken.

No need to get snarky (either of you) or make this personal.