The Energon Pub

[tf4life]

i think thats stipid of hasbro there makin a whole nother set of toys instead of using wat they already had in the first place but that is kinda smart for bussiness

[No Death for Prowl]

I keep reading about "waiting for a G1 repaint" of Devastator, but I'm just not sure how good that's actually going to look......

See attached

Thanks for the pic, but lacking that vintage Devastator purple, no?

[Tigertrack]

Indeed, I think you are onto it CP, whoever the bot is that grabs them is Devastator, and he just adds the others as parts because he can.

But I wonder about Devastator's awesomeness, when I saw what I saw one of the twins do in the comic adaptation.



I want to wait for a G1 colored version, sort of, but sort of don't. I'm not sure I want to own two of him though. I also don't know that they would recolor a toy that massive (I know they did with Omega Supreme in Energon, but that toy was still not THAT big!).

I have to say the individual Constructicons are growing on me. I bought Rampage, and actually like him, but I have not broken down and bought Scavenger yet... I know I will get Long Haul, probably Mixmaster...

[Mykltron]

Do you think that means they can't transform? Do you think that Cybertron has non-transforming vehicles that are alive? That doesn't sound likely to me. Even if that is the case, non transforming figures don't have a place in my transformers collection. Especially when they cost as much as a regular figure with none of the perks.

In this particular universe they have drone transformers, basically soulless creations which mimic everything about them, so I think it's possible that they have living non-transforming vehicles as well.

I assume you're familiar with Duocons from G1. Like was said before, it could be that Devastator is the actual living thing and that his alt mode is six separate vehicles.

The movie-verse breaks rules. That's just what it does...

That makes sense. And we did originally believe Arcee would form from three separate bikes.

After seeing the film I have decided that I now disagree with this. Demolisher is killed early in the film but an identical vehicle appears at the end and forms Devastator. There are nameless robot drones in the end battle who aren't shown to transform. I don't believe that a race of robots known as Transformers would have non-transforming drones, and I certainly don't think they would have living vehicles without robot modes. Especially when even bots as big as the end of your finger can transform.

I also, more than ever before, thing combining Dev is WAY overpriced. The CGI is so compicated - the bots intermingled so much you can't see what is making the body. They really skimped on detail when making this toy.

[Trikeboy]

The movie is pretty clear on who forms what. Demolisher, Rampage and Long Haul do not form Devastator but do have robot modes. Demolisher dies at the start of the movie and is a slightly different colour, Rampage is red and is named on screen by Starscream and you can see Long Haul hunting for Sam in Egypt. The vehicles that for Devastator do not transform into robot modes. That means that the toys are correct (except Rampage's colour). I will probably buy Devs but I will put him on my Argos card and pay in installments.

[Jin Saotome]

No wrecking ball testicles, NO DEAL!

[Mr O]

Certainly sounds like some heavy bollocks to me...

Let's be fair, if it doesn't transform, it isn't a TransFormer.

[Redimus]

No wrecking ball testicles, NO DEAL!

Word.

(There was a kid sat behind me, and the daft little oik tuned round and asked his farther what testicals were after that scene... I duely facepalmed.)

Anyway, I was quite frankly convinced it was the writers being lazy/making in jokes about the G1 cartoon's often use of dead or imobalised transformers later on and their comical limb stood nect to combined gestalt. And reguardless of all that, there are two very simple reasons why I *willnot* be buying Devastator, and they are:
1 With the recent price hikes round here, a supreme transformer, any supreme transformer, is simply far too expensive.
2 He looks ****ing hidious.

[Counterpunch]

Certainly sounds like some heavy bollocks to me...

Let's be fair, if it doesn't transform, it isn't a TransFormer.

6 vehicles transform into Devastator. Devastator transforms into 6 vehicles.

[robofreak]

Certainly sounds like some heavy bollocks to me...

Let's be fair, if it doesn't transform, it isn't a TransFormer.

6 vehicles transform into Devastator. Devastator transforms into 6 vehicles.

Makes perfect sense to me.

The Target near me is getting Devastator on Wedsnesday so I'll be getting him this week hopefully. I'm sure he's going to be a fun figure.

[Cyberjet #7]

To be honest, if he were not named Devastator, I could probably purchase it. I'm not into the whole Bayformers reboot as much as I was for the first movie - they're just taking too many G1 names and changing stuff too much. And not in a way that I can enjoy. Some reboots are great and take the established characters in a new, but similiar direction. ROTF, not so much.

If you didn't tell me the names of some of these characters, I would have a hard time being able to decipher who is supposed to be named after a G1 character - and that's based on look and personality. This just shouldn't be called Devastator...

Although, I will state thanks to CP for clearing the whole Devy thing up; as now it makes as much sense as it possibly could.

[robofreak]

It would probably help if you didn't look at the movie as a G1 reboot. The creators have even said that this movie is not G1. It's another Universe in the TF world.

We've got several Universes already:

G1 (includes BW)
AEC
RID
Machine Wars
BW2 and BW Neo
Movie

View the movie as a separate storyline with the characters being unique to that universe.

[Cyberjet #7]

Whereas I have obviously thought about that and the above idea is true, it's the scope that kills me. This is the first time we have TFs in a live-action movie and I think the characters that started it all should be honored more differently. None of those other TF lines ever made it past a couple of seasons worth of TV shows. G1 lasted awhile and had a movie; granted a cartoon movie and they dominated the '80s toy spectrum.

If I only get to see TFs on the big screen in a live-action movie once, I'd much rather it be with at least some classic G1 concepts. If we got a live-action movie based on something like Beast Machines, would people be happy with it? G1 works, why fix it?

[starfish]

Having seen the movie here in the UK, I agree with the OP. It certainly looks like there are two sets of Contructicons in the film, a set that can Transform into individual robots, and a set that can form Devastator.

In the film, however, the long red dump-truck (Overload?) is clearly part of Devastator, so I've no idea why the Supreme Hasbro toy turns into six vehicles, because in the film it's pretty obviously seven.

[[JRX]]

Thanks for saving me a Benjamin or so, CP! You may have given me reason not to by the combiner.

I was going for the Combiner only because it looks like Scrapper & Hightower might not be getting their own toys (pure speculation on my part... please prove me wrong!), and I wanted the whole Constructicon team.

Like many, I thought Demolishor, Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster, Scrapper, & Hightower would be the Constructicons, but if there isn't a "team" of specific Constructicons, then I have no reason to aim for a complete set.

[DISCHARGE]

[quote="Mykltron] I don't believe that a race of robots known as Transformers would have non-transforming drones, and I certainly don't think they would have living vehicles without robot modes. Especially when even bots as big as the end of your finger can transform.

[/quote]


Oh this is where you are wrong.
In G1 cartoon Shockwave uses non-transforming automatons to try to destroy Autobots penetrating deep
into cybertron.
Also Beast Machines toy line features Deployers, drones that hardly transform.

The movieverse is a strange new saga. Honestly they should have saved the idea for multiple vehicles to form one big robot for a Voltron movie, but they didn't.

I still don't know what to think about the concept of a huge Devastator without individual robot modes
even with "CP Logic"!

[Counterpunch]

I love how right I was about this.

[Mach]

Having seen the movie here in the UK, I agree with the OP. It certainly looks like there are two sets of Contructicons in the film, a set that can Transform into individual robots, and a set that can form Devastator.

In the film, however, the long red dump-truck (Overload?) is clearly part of Devastator, so I've no idea why the Supreme Hasbro toy turns into six vehicles, because in the film it's pretty obviously seven.

My thinking is hasbro need to finalise the toy quite sometime ago, maybe one year ago? in order they can make it in production.
As for the movie, maybe the 7th vehicle came in after Hasbro finalise the toy, too late for Overload inclusion.

[Graz73]

OK, this Devestator debate is interesting, but the Hasbro take on it just adds a layer of meaning:

With the Takara legends class Devastator there are 7 figures but the Supreme Class Devastator has only 6 constructions. Why?
With out giving away too much, there can be a lot of constructicons that form Devastator, lets just say 15 start out to create him but only 7 make it to the end of the film. It’s a different concept than what you’re used to for the gestalt team.

This quote came from here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/botcon-2009-hasbro-review-and-qa-panel/16014/

So, before seeing the movie, I took this to mean that at the beginning they'd form a huge version of Devestator, and at the end of the movie they would still form Devstator, but a smaller version with fewer members... Well, obviously my guess was wrong. BUT, it seems from Hasbro's POV, I was sort of right. SO... Is Hasbro saying that there is always a 7 member devestator, but there are just a bunch of extra constructicons? Or are they saying that there could be an even bigger 15 member gestalt?

[IceWilly]

As I was watching the movie i was like, man CP is going to be right on the money on this one. Sure enough.

All it really means is I will be buying the individual constructions as they are now cool standalone characters. I still have zero interest in that hulking "thing" called devastator. He went out like a chump. I would be VERY interested in a custom painted one though. It could be so much better

[robofreak]

Here's an interesting though. What if Overload is made in a later release and is capable of merging with Devastator? It would definitely make the Devastator structure change to be more accurate.

It's a big possibility and I don't see why Hasbro wouldn't do it. It might have not been cost effective to have 7 pieces for the boxset.

[metaphorge]

It seems more likely that Bay and company just got lazy (or cheap) and either re-used the same CGI models multiple times (placing Long Haul and Mixmaster two places at once) or that the action sequences ended up in an alternate order than they were originally intended due to editing than they than that, all along, Devastator was intended to be formed from vehicles with no individual robot modes.

Why else would the Constructicons that we saw that had individual modes and the Constructicons that formed Devastator be almost identical in coloration and vehicle type?

Why else would we have the Legends class Constructicons coming from Takara that all have an individual robot mode and merge to form Devastator?

I undertand that there's a desire to come up with logical explanations for filmmakers' mistakes, but it's been made apparent by other gaffes in both the first film and ROTF that numerous mistakes make there way into the final films (Brawl being misnamed 'Devastator', Rampage being red in the film and yellow as a toy). I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that Bay didn't figure most of the moviegoing audience would notice that particular Constructicons were both part of Devastator and in individual robot modes, in much the same way that the film totally disregarded the local geography around the Pyramids (which really stuck out in my mind since I had just visited Egypt in April).

Michael Bay really knows how to stage amazing action sequences, but continuity, either within his films or with reality, are not his strong point.

[El Duque]

To be honest I wish they had just went with Devastator being the bot and his alt mode being six consruction vehicles idae and replaced the transforming Constructicons in the movie with other Decepticons, like the other Seekers perhaps.

[Wadie2193]

He is a pretty awesome transformer but being a student who will probably be saving up for university, car etc. he's too pricey.

[5150 Cruiser]

Certainly sounds like some heavy bollocks to me...

Let's be fair, if it doesn't transform, it isn't a TransFormer.

6 vehicles transform into Devastator. Devastator transforms into 6 vehicles.

You know,when i first saw the movie, i was disappointed and a bit upset that while devastator was climbing the pyramid Mix Master, Long Haul, Scraper, and Rampage were fighting in the desert. Didn't make sense to me at all. Now that i read this thread,....
Hey. Still a little disappointed, but it is what it is right? No use in crying over spilled milk.
After i get some bills payed off, i will be getting devastator. I really do like the design, and fits in with the movie universe quite well.