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What's the d20/lump of bumblebee poop meant to be? A matrix or kind of a speedball from the ball game episode of cyberverse?

I suspect it's whatever came out of the mouth of the Hasbro exec they greenlighted this release. Why wasn't it simply painted guild, with a head remold or even released as a Throttlebot?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Ravage almost looks like the original toy, was that ever released in the US? That Buzzworthy set is just, no. We already have a yellow Cliffjumper mold, but I can understand why they used it, Evergreen design. Fangry doesn't even come with any of the blasters that were part of the tooling of that mold, which actually completes beast mode to some extent.

They could just be packaged in the box where we can't see them, like the other Kingdom figures. I think the only reason we can see Bumper's Bumblebee's guns is to make up for the tiny size of the figure.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I hope the Buzzworthy one is fake, nothing even remotely interesting about it, except Fangry.

For that reason I hope it's real. I would like that Fangry, as i don't think we have had a deluxe Fangry figure since G1, unless I missed it. All we got was a Titan master 4 years ago. I'm also kind of interested in that Blackarachnia, is that supposed to be her Maximal version from season 3?

And yeah, that Ravage is an instabuy, hopefully he can be ordered on Pulse.

Those are her original toy colors. And head.

blackeyedprime wrote:What's the d20/lump of bumblebee poop meant to be? A matrix or kind of a speedball from the ball game episode of cyberverse?

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be the Allspark. Most recent continuities have it shaped like that.

Bumblebee poop hahahahahahaha

...oh my god I EXIST?!

...now for the actual comments:
-Ravage set looks cool, very curious to see the alt mode on BW Ravage, may pick this up depending on pricing/if it sells out before I get the chance
-That 4-pack is...certainly interesting. We knew when it's ties to Buzzworthy came up it would have some kind of Bee, but that's not what I would have expected (I don't understand why Bee's gun is green now, is there a reference there I'm not getting?), and Toy Colors Blackarachnia we also suspected was coming but didn't know what their release vehicle would be. Fangry and an real version of my crappy username are out of left field, I guess this is further credence that we shouldn't expect most of the Prime War Trilogy characters who actually had the gimmicks they were supposed to to get updates anytime soon if new Headmasters are reusing not only the same Headmaster engineering but also reusing PWT molds. Fangry does definitely appear to be lacking guns, as they aren't in the out-of-box shots or the renders on the back, which is curious. I seem to recall the pricing for this in the system being $80, which is $10 too cheap for 3 Deluxes and a Voyager but does track for Target, seeing as how the Rainmakers were $10 cheap too. The character choices and sheer absurdity have me intrigued, but the mere presence of that crappy Bee is enough to keep me at a maybe.

Nemesis Primal looks... I can't quite describe it I love the colors and stuff, but my brain just blows up whenever I think too hard on it. I might just use it as a Shattered Glass version that crossed over to the main universe and is helping Megatron kill Primal.

Toy Black Arachnia's neat, probably going to use it as Tarantulas' successful attempt at creating a fellow spider bot.

Bumblebee is... Well, unfortunate. He feels like he fell into no man's land of trying to be an easily attainable Bee, without dealing with liscensing, and also trying to blend with the Evergreen/Bayverse idea of him being a sportier car. Maybe a black stripe would break it up enough to look good, but it'd probably have to be racing stripes to look good because of the transformation.

Fangry annoys me I just spent a decent amount of money tracking down the Titans Return Titanmaster figure and now this is leaked I'm not too annoyed cause this is a full figure, not just a head, but I am starting to get suspicious that Hasbro's watching me and only releasing updates after I spend money on the old figures. Either way though, Fangry looks amazing, and I think it's kinda funny that he has the SPD/STR/INT panel. I kinda wonder if he's got a slightly different head design than the Titanmaster, like Apeface and Repugnus had.

Overall, this set definitely looks to be worth the money, to me at least. I love all the molds in this boxset anyway, so I'm not too upset by it, though, I'm still way more excited about Origin Bee

Nemesis Primal wrote:...oh my god I EXIST?!

...now for the actual comments:
-Ravage set looks cool, very curious to see the alt mode on BW Ravage, may pick this up depending on pricing/if it sells out before I get the chance
-That 4-pack is...certainly interesting. We knew when it's ties to Buzzworthy came up it would have some kind of Bee, but that's not what I would have expected (I don't understand why Bee's gun is green now, is there a reference there I'm not getting?), and Toy Colors Blackarachnia we also suspected was coming but didn't know what their release vehicle would be. Fangry and an real version of my crappy username are out of left field, I guess this is further credence that we shouldn't expect most of the Prime War Trilogy characters who actually had the gimmicks they were supposed to to get updates anytime soon if new Headmasters are reusing not only the same Headmaster engineering but also reusing PWT molds. Fangry does definitely appear to be lacking guns, as they aren't in the out-of-box shots or the renders on the back, which is curious. I seem to recall the pricing for this in the system being $80, which is $10 too cheap for 3 Deluxes and a Voyager but does track for Target, seeing as how the Rainmakers were $10 cheap too. The character choices and sheer absurdity have me intrigued, but the mere presence of that crappy Bee is enough to keep me at a maybe.

The set is going for $84.99. Which is still $5 cheaper than 1 Voyager and three Deluxes, if you don't take recent price increases into the equation.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I am starting to get suspicious that Hasbro's watching me and only releasing updates after I spend money on the old figures.

The same thing happened with me last year, the first store listing for Kingdom Ultra Magnus leaked on the internet mere days after I spent scalper prices on a Siege Ultra Magnus.
As for the rest of this news, the Ravage set is pretty neat, while I never saw that particular episode when I was a kid and therefore don't have much nostalgic attachment for Beast Wars Ravage, I may still try to get this set. I don't really mind the Bumblebee in the Worlds Collide set, perhaps give it the black racing stripes you see on his modern designs and it would look fine, but nothing else in that set really interests me, so it's an easy skip.

-Kanrabat- wrote:


I NEED IT!

Let's hope that if the thing is an exclusive, it will be one that is easy to get.

If it's pulse exclusive, we'll order one together

I go to sleep early ONCE and this happens.


For people thinking Ravage is a Tigatron retool, he is not. That's definitely Cheetor. Even if Tigatron was an upscaled Cheetor with one extra step, the scale is wrong. Comparing Cheetor to a microcassette allows you to scale it with the G1 Ravage. His shoulder kibble is gone because his robot torso is also the beast torso.
Ravage has got to be the mysterious SDCC Exclusive 1 listing we found a month ago, he's got a large box mural, a figure from another generation, the plastic tray, and a unique package.


All are amazing except Bee. Who will be promptly forgotten about in place of Classics Bee (who actually looks unique compared to Hubcap), Toy Blackarachnia will be known as Crystal Widow (even though they don't look similar), and Fangry will be patiently awaiting his mates. Maybe I'll swap his head with the TR Fangry, but I'm not sure yet.

Wow, there is a lot to unpack here. Firstly, that image we saw yesterday of Agent Ravage is not fake. We have more images of this toy in package and even a video of someone handling the box. This toy is said to be this year's Pulsecon exclusive. This means it will at least be available on Pulse and probably from other fan channels, as the non exclusive Refraktor set was. The toy has the same style of leg transformation as deluxe Cheetor though the details are different enough that this might instead be a retool of the yet to be fully revealed Tigatron figure. We also don't have a clear idea of how big this toy is compared to Cheetor, which would be our biggest clue.

We also have images of the Buzzworthy Bumblebee Worlds Collide set which is probably the most random set we have ever gotten. It includes:

Generations Fangry, finally, made from the Titans Return Doublecross mold.
Nemesis Primal, which is the Kingdom Primal mold in Nemesis Prime colours with a new headsculpt.
Bumblebee, probably the most random one, since it's a bumblebee head on a yellow Earthrise Cliffjumper body, meaning that the volkswagen Bee is not getting the rerelease people expected, ensuring those e-bay prices stay high.
Toy colour Blackarachnia with a new head homaging the original toy.

The images of this set come from a user on Instagram who claims they were found at Walmart. We know this set is on Target's computers and that the Buzzworthy Bumblebee line is exclusive to Target in the US but has different retailer exclusivities all over the world. For instance, it is Toysrus exclusive in canada.

Video of Agent Ravage Box

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:


I NEED IT!

Let's hope that if the thing is an exclusive, it will be one that is easy to get.

If it's pulse exclusive, we'll order one together

Yup. With their absurd shipping, it's the only viable option.

william-james88 wrote:The toy has the same style of leg transformation as deluxe Cheetor though the details are different enough that this might instead be a retool of the yet to be fully revealed Tigatron figure. We also don't have a clear idea of how big this toy is compared to Cheetor, which would be our biggest clue.

Could've maybe made a better image, but it's definitely Cheetor. A Microcassette is the metric to measure by.
That being said, it seems everything but the butt, tail, and lower legs + feet is retooled... and even then, it's hard to tell if the lower legs are the same.

Now that we get a good look at cassette tape Ravage, we can see it’s a G1 reissue. Meaning it’s bigger than the tapes we got from Siege. Meaning previous comparisons between Siege Ravage and Cheetor are off. This Ravage is bigger by comparison to Cheetor since G1 Ravage is thicker than new Ravage. By all accounts then, with this information, this basically confirms Ravage is one stupid-heavy retool of the elusive Tigatron.

*puffs on bubble pipe*

Mindmaster wrote:Now that we get a good look at cassette tape Ravage, we can see it’s a G1 reissue. Meaning it’s bigger than the tapes we got from Siege. Meaning previous comparisons between Siege Ravage and Cheetor are off. This Ravage is bigger by comparison to Cheetor since G1 Ravage is thicker than new Ravage. By all accounts then, with this information, this basically confirms Ravage is one stupid-heavy retool of the elusive Tigatron.

*puffs on bubble pipe*

I compared it to an MP Microcassette (KFC Sting-thing), which I believe are the same scale as the G1 cassettes (with maybe a millimetre in difference). Correct me if I'm wrong though, I've never seen a G1 microcassette and MP one side-by-side.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

william-james88 wrote:The toy has the same style of leg transformation as deluxe Cheetor though the details are different enough that this might instead be a retool of the yet to be fully revealed Tigatron figure. We also don't have a clear idea of how big this toy is compared to Cheetor, which would be our biggest clue.

Could've maybe made a better image, but it's definitely Cheetor. A Microcassette is the metric to measure by.
That being said, it seems everything but the butt, tail, and lower legs + feet is retooled... and even then, it's hard to tell if the lower legs are the same.

Your photo is telling me the reverse instead. The G1 casette looks much bigger in comparison to Cheetor than it does in comaprison to Agent Ravage

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Now that we get a good look at cassette tape Ravage, we can see it’s a G1 reissue. Meaning it’s bigger than the tapes we got from Siege. Meaning previous comparisons between Siege Ravage and Cheetor are off. This Ravage is bigger by comparison to Cheetor since G1 Ravage is thicker than new Ravage. By all accounts then, with this information, this basically confirms Ravage is one stupid-heavy retool of the elusive Tigatron.

*puffs on bubble pipe*

I compared it to an MP Microcassette (KFC Sting-thing), which I believe are the same scale as the G1 cassettes (with maybe a millimetre in difference). Correct me if I'm wrong though, I've never seen a G1 microcassette and MP one side-by-side.

Yeah, after I posted was when I saw yours. I have all three, however, none of mine are handily available since all my collection is in storage while I’m deployed overseas so my theory is based mostly on a memory of handling both G1 and Siege coincidentally.

william-james88 wrote:Your photo is telling me the reverse instead. The G1 casette looks much bigger in comparison to Cheetor than it does in comaprison to Agent Ravage

I think that may be due to the increased height from the new head + torso. Ravage's neck starts where Cheetor's nose is and his head is about double the mass, but the shoulders seem to be at around the same height.
I'm comparing the arms since they seem be mostly the same length.

Obviously not a 100% confirmed metric, but I'm just trying not to get anyone's hopes up (or down) at the prospect of this being our first glimpse at Tigatron.

EDIT: One oddity that I haven't seen anyone comment on is the "4 accessories" claim on the back. There's four guns (2 G1, 2 BW) and the tail (which is attached to the butt in box), so did they just not count the tail or did they retool the tail to not be removeable and articulated (the box mural also shows his tail staying attached during transformation, but that could easily be artistic fudging of details).

I've been bitching constantly about Venom, Ransack, Barrage, Chop Shop, Fangry, Squeezeplay & Horri-Bull. And I'm not going to stop. This is awesome news for me. 1 down, 6 to go. Also, I was planning to buy a 2nd Grotusque to make a custom Fangry. Thank God now I don't have to.

The Bumblebee is totally stupid but I'm going to make a copy of Cliffjumper's head & make a yellow Cliffjumper straight out of the G1 toy line.

Nemesis Primal is awesome. I've been tempted to get the Kingdom or Netflix Optimus Primal but now I don't have to. I always prefer the Decepticons/Predacons anyway. Those colors are sweet!

Blackarachnia is awesome! More female Transformers are always welcome. Definitely going to swap out the spider legs.

The box is way too big. WTF? Also look how tiny Bumblebee is next to the other 2 deluxes.

Bounti76 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:What's the d20/lump of bumblebee poop meant to be? A matrix or kind of a speedball from the ball game episode of cyberverse?

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be the Allspark. Most recent continuities have it shaped like that.

Yes. It appears to be the exact same Allspark accessory that comes with the Netflix spoiler box. But at least you don't have to dig this one out of black poo.

Why can't they reissue the Netflix Bumblebee with the VW beetle alt mode?
That is impossible to find at a reasonable, non-scalper price.

The Cliffjumper alt mode has been released in so many different colours.
I would take the VW beetle alt mode even if it is not yellow or if it was a different character.

Fangry's mould has been retooled so many times.
Won't it cost less to just throw out more of Netflix Bumblebee? Did VW restrict the quantity that can be made?

optimeow wrote:Why can't they reissue the Netflix Bumblebee with the VW beetle alt mode?
That is impossible to find at a reasonable, non-scalper price.

Take that to Volkswagen. They sit pretty tightly on their VW Beetle licence and it seems time is running out. I may be talking out of my ass, but if this keeps up, I think the upcoming Takara SS Premium Finish Bee Movie Bee may be the last time we will see Bumblebee in an official VW Beetle vehicle mode for a long time.

optimeow wrote:Why can't they reissue the Netflix Bumblebee with the VW beetle alt mode?
That is impossible to find at a reasonable, non-scalper price.

The Cliffjumper alt mode has been released in so many different colours.
I would take the VW beetle alt mode even if it is not yellow or if it was a different character.

Fangry's mould has been retooled so many times.
Won't it cost less to just throw out more of Netflix Bumblebee? Did VW restrict the quantity that can be made?

That's the thing. We know for an absolute fact that VW has restrictions but no one knows those exact restrictions. At first, it was assumed good guys were OK so we would get more Autobots in that mold but this here shows that VW was probably only OK for the movie-specific release and one more use which ended up being Netflix. I seriously doubt we will see VW Bumblebee again. Frankly, that company could use all the goodwill it could get so I don't understand but whatever.

Edit: Forgot about the upcoming premium finish as Kanrabat said.