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Wolfman Jake wrote:

Rtron wrote:I don't get all the drama about Mirage's shoulder cannon. It's just ONE missing feature, lost because of how the improved transformation works. And you can fix it pretty easily.

It’s because the figure lost functionality with this Earthmode “upgrade.” The remolded parts also look less on model to the G1 cartoon than the Siege version. They went out of their way to “fix” something that was never broken. All they needed to do was ditch the clear plastic and change some tampographs.

Rtron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Rtron wrote:I don't get all the drama about Mirage's shoulder cannon. It's just ONE missing feature, lost because of how the improved transformation works. And you can fix it pretty easily.

It’s because the figure lost functionality with this Earthmode “upgrade.” The remolded parts also look less on model to the G1 cartoon than the Siege version. They went out of their way to “fix” something that was never broken. All they needed to do was ditch the clear plastic and change some tampographs.

It looks more accurate now though? It has a less bulky spoiler, looks more like a racecar, and the fake robot chest is not showing in altmode. And the shoulder cannon IS included. Making the cannon would be difficult, but mounting it is a matter of just finding something to hold it. You can mount it using an adapter you make yourself, out of whatever you find lying around, it's literally an L shaped strut with a peg on one end and a hole at the other end. If you want to get fancy, you can 3D print one. You don't even have to design it, the internet will be SWARMING with free printables to mount the cannon on his shoulder.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rtron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Rtron wrote:I don't get all the drama about Mirage's shoulder cannon. It's just ONE missing feature, lost because of how the improved transformation works. And you can fix it pretty easily.

It’s because the figure lost functionality with this Earthmode “upgrade.” The remolded parts also look less on model to the G1 cartoon than the Siege version. They went out of their way to “fix” something that was never broken. All they needed to do was ditch the clear plastic and change some tampographs.

It looks more accurate now though? It has a less bulky spoiler, looks more like a racecar, and the fake robot chest is not showing in altmode. And the shoulder cannon IS included. Making the cannon would be difficult, but mounting it is a matter of just finding something to hold it. You can mount it using an adapter you make yourself, out of whatever you find lying around, it's literally an L shaped strut with a peg on one end and a hole at the other end. If you want to get fancy, you can 3D print one. You don't even have to design it, the internet will be SWARMING with free printables to mount the cannon on his shoulder.

The problem is though, that is a lot of effort to fix something that was never broken. Like people wanting Earth Mode Sideswipe, the Siege one was clearly an earth car wanting to pretend to be a Cybertronian.

It's great that you like it, but bare in mind that some don't and their problems with the mold, aren't imaginary.

Rtron wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rtron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Rtron wrote:I don't get all the drama about Mirage's shoulder cannon. It's just ONE missing feature, lost because of how the improved transformation works. And you can fix it pretty easily.

It’s because the figure lost functionality with this Earthmode “upgrade.” The remolded parts also look less on model to the G1 cartoon than the Siege version. They went out of their way to “fix” something that was never broken. All they needed to do was ditch the clear plastic and change some tampographs.

It looks more accurate now though? It has a less bulky spoiler, looks more like a racecar, and the fake robot chest is not showing in altmode. And the shoulder cannon IS included. Making the cannon would be difficult, but mounting it is a matter of just finding something to hold it. You can mount it using an adapter you make yourself, out of whatever you find lying around, it's literally an L shaped strut with a peg on one end and a hole at the other end. If you want to get fancy, you can 3D print one. You don't even have to design it, the internet will be SWARMING with free printables to mount the cannon on his shoulder.

The problem is though, that is a lot of effort to fix something that was never broken. Like people wanting Earth Mode Sideswipe, the Siege one was clearly an earth car wanting to pretend to be a Cybertronian.

It's great that you like it, but bare in mind that some don't and their problems with the mold, aren't imaginary.

Never said it was imaginary, in fact, I suggested a fix for it. I wouldn't suggest a fix for something "imaginary". It's just that it seems like a shame to pass on a figure that improves on the previous one on like five things just because it's worse on one other thing, and one that's very easily fixable at that. You can't change Siege Mirage's transformation scheme and tampos and clear plastic and molding. But you can very easily make a DIY shoulder mount for Kingdom Mirage's cannon.

Here's what I mean about the alt mode:

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Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron Deluxe Covert Agent Ravage and Micromaster Decepticons Forever Ravage - (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $44.99 / Available: November 1, 2021)

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Razorbeast88 wrote:So do yall know if id need a pulse premium membership to get ravage? Or id just have to order it off of pulse?

aronjlove wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:So do yall know if id need a pulse premium membership to get ravage? Or id just have to order it off of pulse?

Since we now know this is a Pulsecon exclusive you don't need a membership except for 'early access'. This should be like the Pit of Judgement.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Primevsprime put up a review of the Mirage and grimlock set
Looks like I was wrong, grimlocks fake eyes on the chest are unpainted sadly

It's an early sample (he doesn't show the box, so it's not a production run). It's possible that the production run will include the extra paint ops on the faux eyes.

I hope you're right!!

Forget the green faux eyes on Grimlock’s beast mode! I’d rather the production run fix the shoulder cannon snafu with Mirage.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Rtron wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Rtron wrote:I don't get all the drama about Mirage's shoulder cannon. It's just ONE missing feature, lost because of how the improved transformation works. And you can fix it pretty easily.

It’s because the figure lost functionality with this Earthmode “upgrade.” The remolded parts also look less on model to the G1 cartoon than the Siege version. They went out of their way to “fix” something that was never broken. All they needed to do was ditch the clear plastic and change some tampographs.

It looks more accurate now though? It has a less bulky spoiler, looks more like a racecar, and the fake robot chest is not showing in altmode. And the shoulder cannon IS included. Making the cannon would be difficult, but mounting it is a matter of just finding something to hold it. You can mount it using an adapter you make yourself, out of whatever you find lying around, it's literally an L shaped strut with a peg on one end and a hole at the other end. If you want to get fancy, you can 3D print one. You don't even have to design it, the internet will be SWARMING with free printables to mount the cannon on his shoulder.

The problem is though, that is a lot of effort to fix something that was never broken. Like people wanting Earth Mode Sideswipe, the Siege one was clearly an earth car wanting to pretend to be a Cybertronian.

It's great that you like it, but bare in mind that some don't and their problems with the mold, aren't imaginary.

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah, it wasn't supposed to come off as snotty as that, so I do apologise for that. It was more meant to ask which release we were discussing at the time and nothing other then that. Honestly I can't remember the conversation.

As for Mirage, I don't have a horse in the race as I never bothered to get Mirage in the first place (don't care about G1).

Razorbeast88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah, it wasn't supposed to come off as snotty as that, so I do apologise for that. It was more meant to ask which release we were discussing at the time and nothing other then that. Honestly I can't remember the conversation.

As for Mirage, I don't have a horse in the race as I never bothered to get Mirage in the first place (don't care about G1).

Apology accepted, it can be very easy to misinterpret intentions online and obviously im guilty of just that. Seems like it was just a misunderstanding

As for the release, I was talking about the battle Across Time Maximal Grimlock that comes in the 2 pack with Mirage. I'd appreciate if the final product has the feaux eyes on the chest painted, but if not it's no big deal and I can hopefully fix it with toyhax labels down the line or ill just get over it

As for Mirage, I'm not too attached to the character but I have yet to see a mainline Mirage figure done well imo. Classics had a cool design but wasn't without flaws. Since then all the Mirage figures just seem mediocre. MMC's sphinx is probably one of the better ones I've seen, and this Mirage has a better paintjob than siege but as other fans have pointed out is not without its problems. The shoulder thing at the very least should be an easy fix, but it's unfortunate that's an issue in the first place

ZeroWolf wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Yeah, it wasn't supposed to come off as snotty as that, so I do apologise for that. It was more meant to ask which release we were discussing at the time and nothing other then that. Honestly I can't remember the conversation.

As for Mirage, I don't have a horse in the race as I never bothered to get Mirage in the first place (don't care about G1).

Apology accepted, it can be very easy to misinterpret intentions online and obviously im guilty of just that. Seems like it was just a misunderstanding

As for the release, I was talking about the battle Across Time Maximal Grimlock that comes in the 2 pack with Mirage. I'd appreciate if the final product has the feaux eyes on the chest painted, but if not it's no big deal and I can hopefully fix it with toyhax labels down the line or ill just get over it

As for Mirage, I'm not too attached to the character but I have yet to see a mainline Mirage figure done well imo. Classics had a cool design but wasn't without flaws. Since then all the Mirage figures just seem mediocre. MMC's sphinx is probably one of the better ones I've seen, and this Mirage has a better paintjob than siege but as other fans have pointed out is not without its problems. The shoulder thing at the very least should be an easy fix, but it's unfortunate that's an issue in the first place

Wait...that was Wolfman Jake who replied to you about the eyes on the chest!

For the record, my thoughts on the chest eyes are that you should wait till we have in hand shots of the retail version

william-james88 wrote:So yeah, Ravage will be a pulse exclusive for the US and Canada for $45. So Kanrabat, I'll make sure to buy us each one.

Supreme Convoy wrote:I don't have an eye for it anymore. Is Covert Agent Ravage a reissue or a new remold? It doesn't quite look like the one from the original Beast Wars line and it doesn't look like the new Cheetor.

Supreme Convoy wrote:I don't have an eye for it anymore. Is Covert Agent Ravage a reissue or a new remold? It doesn't quite look like the one from the original Beast Wars line and it doesn't look like the new Cheetor.

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Supreme Convoy wrote:I don't have an eye for it anymore. Is Covert Agent Ravage a reissue or a new remold? It doesn't quite look like the one from the original Beast Wars line and it doesn't look like the new Cheetor.

Heavy remold of kingdom cheetor if im not mistaken

Rtron wrote:It looks like an extensive remold. He basically only reuses all four of Cheetor's beast mode legs, and consequently his robot mode feet. Everything else looks new.