by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:47 pm
Sabrblade wrote:"Canonically conected", is what I mean.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, who's still unconvinced that WFC and Prime are related?
related is a broad term.
It can be said that every TF series is related.
But you have already proven that they cant be in the same continuity.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:53 pm
More like how the G1 toon is to Beast Machines.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"Canonically conected", is what I mean.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, who's still unconvinced that WFC and Prime are related?
related is a broad term.
It can be said that every TF series is related.
But you have already proven that they cant be in the same continuity.
I would say they are as connected as the G1 comic is to the G1 toon.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:56 pm
Sabrblade wrote:More like how the G1 toon is to Beast Machines.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"Canonically conected", is what I mean.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, who's still unconvinced that WFC and Prime are related?
related is a broad term.
It can be said that every TF series is related.
But you have already proven that they cant be in the same continuity.
I would say they are as connected as the G1 comic is to the G1 toon.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:58 pm
I meant chronologically speaking.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'd say even less then that.
BM used a lot of toon refrances.The only comic nod that I recall is Primus, and that one is pretty much grandfathered in by Beast wars.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:09 am
Sabrblade wrote:I meant chronologically speaking.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'd say even less then that.
BM used a lot of toon refrances.The only comic nod that I recall is Primus, and that one is pretty much grandfathered in by Beast wars.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:14 am
What are you talking about?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I meant chronologically speaking.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'd say even less then that.
BM used a lot of toon refrances.The only comic nod that I recall is Primus, and that one is pretty much grandfathered in by Beast wars.
Well,chronologically speaking WFC and Prime are not connected, like I said, YOU have already proven that.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:15 am
Sabrblade wrote:What are you talking about?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I meant chronologically speaking.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'd say even less then that.
BM used a lot of toon refrances.The only comic nod that I recall is Primus, and that one is pretty much grandfathered in by Beast wars.
Well,chronologically speaking WFC and Prime are not connected, like I said, YOU have already proven that.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:50 am
How are they not? We saw a visual callback to Chapter 8 of WFC in episode 26 of Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:chronologically means 1 continuity, 1 timeline.
chronologically speaking the 2 arent in the same continuity/timeline.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:19 pm
Sabrblade wrote:How are they not? We saw a visual callback to Chapter 8 of WFC in episode 26 of Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:chronologically means 1 continuity, 1 timeline.
chronologically speaking the 2 arent in the same continuity/timeline.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:21 pm
Those were differneces between WFC and Exodus, not Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:How are they not? We saw a visual callback to Chapter 8 of WFC in episode 26 of Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:chronologically means 1 continuity, 1 timeline.
chronologically speaking the 2 arent in the same continuity/timeline.
Didnt you most recently point out a difference with when Optimus got his title?Not that I agreed with you on that one.
But you also pointed out a few other differences,when the previous Prime disappeared,when and where Bumblebee met Optimus.are 2 you recently pointed out.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:27 pm
Sabrblade wrote:Those were differneces between WFC and Exodus, not Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:How are they not? We saw a visual callback to Chapter 8 of WFC in episode 26 of Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:chronologically means 1 continuity, 1 timeline.
chronologically speaking the 2 arent in the same continuity/timeline.
Didnt you most recently point out a difference with when Optimus got his title?Not that I agreed with you on that one.
But you also pointed out a few other differences,when the previous Prime disappeared,when and where Bumblebee met Optimus.are 2 you recently pointed out.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:57 pm
If Beast Wars can be the future of two G1 timelines, why can't Prime work the same for WFC and Exodus?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Those were differneces between WFC and Exodus, not Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:How are they not? We saw a visual callback to Chapter 8 of WFC in episode 26 of Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:chronologically means 1 continuity, 1 timeline.
chronologically speaking the 2 arent in the same continuity/timeline.
Didnt you most recently point out a difference with when Optimus got his title?Not that I agreed with you on that one.
But you also pointed out a few other differences,when the previous Prime disappeared,when and where Bumblebee met Optimus.are 2 you recently pointed out.
And you have stated that Prime is following Exodus quite closely.Now Prime can take ques from both, but it cant chronologically follow both.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:45 pm
Sabrblade wrote:If Beast Wars can be the future of two G1 timelines, why can't Prime work the same for WFC and Exodus?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Those were differneces between WFC and Exodus, not Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:How are they not? We saw a visual callback to Chapter 8 of WFC in episode 26 of Prime.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:chronologically means 1 continuity, 1 timeline.
chronologically speaking the 2 arent in the same continuity/timeline.
Didnt you most recently point out a difference with when Optimus got his title?Not that I agreed with you on that one.
But you also pointed out a few other differences,when the previous Prime disappeared,when and where Bumblebee met Optimus.are 2 you recently pointed out.
And you have stated that Prime is following Exodus quite closely.Now Prime can take ques from both, but it cant chronologically follow both.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:54 pm
Explain yourself.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Beast Wars can NOT be the future of THE two G1 timelines [comic and toon] as they stand,regardless of the offical claim.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:06 pm
Sabrblade wrote:Explain yourself.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Beast Wars can NOT be the future of THE two G1 timelines [comic and toon] as they stand,regardless of the offical claim.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Archanubis » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:34 pm
Sabrblade wrote:Long answer: I know it was never brought up in the game, but I can't tell if Sentinel Zeta Prime ever bore the Matrix or not in Exodus. I know he did not have it at all during the book's events, and that it had been missing for a long time, but it's hard to tell whether or not he "ever" had it in the past. The Core does say that SZP "proved unworthy" of the Matrix for far too long, but the way its worded makes it difficult to tell if that means he was unworthy to ever bear it, or if he was unworthy to bear it for as long as he did. It may have said one way or the other in another part of the book, but that's a lot of pages to go searching for one bit of text without some sort of guide to help look for it. I consulted my original notes I used for my Exodus Vs. project, and there's nothing in there about SZP ever having owned the Matrix either.
Either way, Prima was the first Prime to own the Matrix.
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:49 pm
Well, the official standpoint with Beast Wars as the future to either version of G1 is that Beast Wars treats both as "Arthurian Legend" pasts. The connection isn't biological, but rather philosophical.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Explain yourself.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Beast Wars can NOT be the future of THE two G1 timelines [comic and toon] as they stand,regardless of the offical claim.
Its simple, The Parts Dont Fit.I ca, n be a math wize and tell you that 2+2=5, but it wouldnt make me right.The numbers just dont fit.So, Hasbro can say all they want that they are connected, but the parts dont fit.
Heck, US Marvel G1 doesnt fit with UK Marvel G1.Baring a huge RETCON, Beast Wars just doesnt FIT either any known G1 continuity.
And I know that they attempted to solve SOMEof the contradictions with the Ultimate guide, but they didnt solve ALL of them.
So, untill they solve EVERY contradiction in a retcon,Beast Wars can NOT be the future of THE comic or toon G1 continuities.
To top off that problem, as a fan, theres reason enough OFFICIALLY not to accept any retcon not presented in the same medium,.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:51 pm
Archanubis wrote:It's always amusing reading the exchange between Sabr and Sto_Vo_Kor.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:55 pm
Sabrblade wrote:Well, the official standpoint with Beast Wars as the future to either version of G1 is that Beast Wars treats both as "Arthurian Legend" pasts. The connection isn't tangible, but rather spiritual.
The only version of Beast Wars that fits truly with the G1 toon with little question is its Japanese dub (or rather, with the FSRLTF toon), what with the extensive timeline and all.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:59 pm
I can see that. Though, except for one thing.Archanubis wrote:If what I've seen in the game's cut scenes, read about in Exodus, and saw in the last ep of Prime, it's extremely likely Sentinel/Zeta did not carry the Matrix. My impression of how the title of Prime works in this universe, at least in the current age, seems to be that the title of Prime is bestowed by a Council of some sort. Recieving the Matrix itself seems to require a visit to Cybertron's Core/Primus, which determines if the Prime in question is worthy of recieving the Matrix or not; whether or not the Matrix returns to Primus after the Prime expires is not mentioned. Apparently, as of War for Cybertron/Prime, it'd been a while since anyone traveled to Cybertron's core to be judged, long enough that no one knew precisely where in the Core Primus was - or, possibly, that the Matrix even existed beyond mythology. So it's entirely possible that Zeta/Sentinel did not bear the Matrix.
This seems a little... iffy, since the early chapters of Exodus had Megatron say that the last known location of the Matrix was Altihex. So, it was out and away from the Core at some point prior to Optimus receiving it, even before the war started after he was first named Prime. We still don't know if it belonged to SZP at this time, but we do know that the Core did not always posses it prior to it giving the Matrix to Optimus.Archanubis wrote:Recieving the Matrix itself seems to require a visit to Cybertron's Core/Primus, which determines if the Prime in question is worthy of recieving the Matrix or not; whether or not the Matrix returns to Primus after the Prime expires is not mentioned.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:01 pm
By any chance, have your read Alignment?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, the official standpoint with Beast Wars as the future to either version of G1 is that Beast Wars treats both as "Arthurian Legend" pasts. The connection isn't tangible, but rather spiritual.
The only version of Beast Wars that fits truly with the G1 toon with little question is its Japanese dub (or rather, with the FSRLTF toon), what with the extensive timeline and all.
I know the official standpoint.I'm just saying it doesnt fit.And it seems the same can be said about WFC/Exodus and Prime
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:03 pm
Sabrblade wrote:By any chance, have your read Alignment?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, the official standpoint with Beast Wars as the future to either version of G1 is that Beast Wars treats both as "Arthurian Legend" pasts. The connection isn't tangible, but rather spiritual.
The only version of Beast Wars that fits truly with the G1 toon with little question is its Japanese dub (or rather, with the FSRLTF toon), what with the extensive timeline and all.
I know the official standpoint.I'm just saying it doesnt fit.And it seems the same can be said about WFC/Exodus and Prime
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:05 pm
It is set firmly in the Marvel Comics continuity, yet takes many cues form Beast Wars, and leads right up to the establishment of the Tripredacus Council, as a sort of intended dual conclusion to the G1/G2 comics and prelude to the Beast Wars cartoon.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:By any chance, have your read Alignment?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, the official standpoint with Beast Wars as the future to either version of G1 is that Beast Wars treats both as "Arthurian Legend" pasts. The connection isn't tangible, but rather spiritual.
The only version of Beast Wars that fits truly with the G1 toon with little question is its Japanese dub (or rather, with the FSRLTF toon), what with the extensive timeline and all.
I know the official standpoint.I'm just saying it doesnt fit.And it seems the same can be said about WFC/Exodus and Prime
1 part, long ago.Why?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
by sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:10 pm
Sabrblade wrote:It is set firmly in the Marvel Comics continuity, yet takes many cues form Beast Wars, and leads right up to the establishment of the Tripredacus Council, as a sort of intended dual conclusion to the G1/G2 comics and prelude to the Beast Wars cartoon.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:By any chance, have your read Alignment?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, the official standpoint with Beast Wars as the future to either version of G1 is that Beast Wars treats both as "Arthurian Legend" pasts. The connection isn't tangible, but rather spiritual.
The only version of Beast Wars that fits truly with the G1 toon with little question is its Japanese dub (or rather, with the FSRLTF toon), what with the extensive timeline and all.
I know the official standpoint.I'm just saying it doesnt fit.And it seems the same can be said about WFC/Exodus and Prime
1 part, long ago.Why?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
by Sabrblade » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:15 pm
I was wondering if you knew. I figured one would know by reading it or about it.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I was aware of that for the most part?
I still dont see why your asking if I read it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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