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Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:48 pm

I wish to pose a philosophical question, what if all the stories we read and watch about

transformers

are based on some level of truth?

News Credits: 1 · Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:11 pm

We would either be slaves or extinct.

Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:58 pm

Why do you say that?
How would we even know that they know we exist?
They live in another galaxy after all, or what about "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"?

News Credits: 22 · Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:27 pm

Omega Alfa Prime wrote: what about "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"?

That's 1 side of the coin. The other is "Peace Through Tyranny."

Personally, if they ever came to our planet, and things are as they're depicted in the various continuities, I'd be the 1st in line to volunteer to the Autobots for the Head- or Powermaster process.

Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:36 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Omega Alfa Prime wrote: what about "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"?

That's 1 side of the coin. The other is "Peace Through Tyranny."

Personally, if they ever came to our planet, and things are as they're depicted in the various continuities, I'd be the 1st in line to volunteer to the Autobots for the Head- or Powermaster process.

I always saw myself as the guy in the exo-suit/possible spy type, though Headmaster would pretty bad ass. As to the original question, in all honesty, we'd either be slaves or disposable resources for the much more powerful and technological advanced species. Though I do like to think we'd put up a helluva fight before being subjugated.

Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:12 pm

[/quote]I always saw myself as the guy in the exo-suit/possible spy type, though Headmaster would pretty bad ass. As to the original question, in all honesty, we'd either be slaves or disposable resources for the much more powerful and technological advanced species. Though I do like to think we'd put up a helluva fight before being subjugated.[/quote]

So you don't think that the Autobots

stand a chance in protecting the human race?

Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:57 pm

We would simply be wiped out. Casualities of someone else's war.

Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:05 am

Not entirely true but not false eather, according to most cybertronien lore that can be found there are to few on eather side to definitely say that we would be wiped out, yes there would be casualties, but there would be more survivors than anything else, our own military combine with the Autobot forces would stand somewhat of a chance agencet Decepticon forces

Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:55 am

Omega Alfa Prime wrote:I wish to pose a philosophical question, what if all the stories we read and watch about transformers are based on some level of truth?

First answer, RUN!

Second answer: I am going to play devil's advocate on this. At least at first, they be very sleathy. We probably wouldn't even notice them. Our government intellegence agencies wouldn't. Heck, if that tfs existed to likes Alex Jones or even Bill Birnes, they would laugh in your face.
Also, even with their technological advantages, the tfs might not want to screw with us until their own war is over. For the Autobots, the reasons are obvious (and all the Optimus Prime hater will most thankful that he is charge!). However, the Decepticons might not be in a hurry to mess the locals either. In many continuities, the humans ranging from the likes Chumley, Masterson, and MECH have been a pain in the neck to Decepticons even they were not the main targets of their plots. Also, many Autobots v Depecticons are such close encounter, one badly timed human intervention might tip the balance. The last Megatron wants is to start a full fledged war with humans and have the Autobots steal a potential victory by attack his rear. Heck, insignificant Sam Witwicky was a big eneough pain. :lol:

The only x-factor I can see is that Decepticons may have many more human sympathizers, kiss up, and allies than any of the continuities, and most nations would try to play sides of the Great War.

Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:20 am

Omega Alfa Prime wrote:

I always saw myself as the guy in the exo-suit/possible spy type, though Headmaster would pretty bad ass. As to the original question, in all honesty, we'd either be slaves or disposable resources for the much more powerful and technological advanced species. Though I do like to think we'd put up a helluva fight before being subjugated.[/quote]

So you don't think that the Autobots

stand a chance in protecting the human race?[/quote]

If they go by the G1 continuation where all Autobots were on the same page of protecticing humanity, then yes. Otherwise.... I'm less certain. Even in the first live action movie, Ironhide was willing to "take out" the parents to keep things quiet and Ratchet (I believe) egged him on. Optimus is the only one that seemed set on "not killing humans".

Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:32 am

I also forgot one thing. The first time we see Autobots v Decepticons, unless in the case Autobots rescuing us from Decepticons (and maybe not even then), our armed forces may shoot at ALL giant robots. If we could kill one, then it gets interesting, depending on who dies? (Optimus, Megatron, Ratchet, Starscream, or low ranking foot soldier)?

Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:19 am

IHide wrote:
Omega Alfa Prime wrote:
I always saw myself as the guy in the exo-suit/possible spy type, though Headmaster would pretty bad ass. As to the original question, in all honesty, we'd either be slaves or disposable resources for the much more powerful and technological advanced species. Though I do like to think we'd put up a helluva fight before being subjugated.

[/quote]So you don't think that the Autobots

stand a chance in protecting the human race?[/quote]

If they go by the G1 continuation where all Autobots were on the same page of protecticing humanity, then yes. Otherwise.... I'm less certain. Even in the first live action movie, Ironhide was willing to "take out" the parents to keep things quiet and Ratchet (I believe) egged him on. Optimus is the only one that seemed set on "not killing humans".[/quote]
I see your point, but at the same time that was there first time on earth and iron hide had only known war up to that point. If you took a human who had only known war for over half of there life and out of the blue turn him into an undercover cop how do you think he would act to something as simple as parents slowing down his investigation? Same thing would apply to rachet.

News Credits: 22 · Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:18 pm

d_sel1 wrote: We probably wouldn't even notice them. Our government intellegence agencies wouldn't.

I think you underestimate the surveillance capabilities of the US government. I don't know about other places in the world, but unless Transformers came here before homo sapiens developed, as stated in G1, and stayed dormant, which did not happen, the CIA and other agencies would know about it.

Without going on a tangent about privacy and security, all I will say is that they wouldn't be allowed to just run around freely. Whether it be through covert action or open confrontation, humans (the American military at least) would make an attempt to control them, and if it fails, fight them and defeat them. Regardless of them being Autobots or Decepticons. Bumblebee's capture scene from the 1st Bay film is case in point.

Of course, the Decepticons would respond adversely, and unless humans use nukes, we stand no chance. Autobots, on the other hand, would try to protect themselves and run if they had to, and not fight unless it's the last resort.

Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:25 pm

ok new question same topic, what would you (anyone who wants to answer) react to an autobot showing up on your front door and saying that you are the only person that can help them?

Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:40 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
d_sel1 wrote: We probably wouldn't even notice them. Our government intellegence agencies wouldn't.

I think you underestimate the surveillance capabilities of the US government. I don't know about other places in the world, but unless Transformers came here before homo sapiens developed, as stated in G1, and stayed dormant, which did not happen, the CIA and other agencies would know about it.

Without going on a tangent about privacy and security, all I will say is that they wouldn't be allowed to just run around freely. Whether it be through covert action or open confrontation, humans (the American military at least) would make an attempt to control them, and if it fails, fight them and defeat them. Regardless of them being Autobots or Decepticons. Bumblebee's capture scene from the 1st Bay film is case in point.

Of course, the Decepticons would respond adversely, and unless humans use nukes, we stand no chance. Autobots, on the other hand, would try to protect themselves and run if they had to, and not fight unless it's the last resort.

I think you might underestimate the intelligence agencies of the Cybertronians

. In G1, you would complelety right. The Autobots and Decepticons might have found by a fossil hunter, local farmer, ancient Native American, etc. But let's go with the view than the tfs arrive later and that arguement's sake Cybertron is 50 light years away. Assuming discovering new technological civilizations is old hat for Cybertron, then the tfs would have heard radio broadcasts for over 50 years, knew about the bomb for 17 years, and have plenty of evening news broadcasts and gasoline commercials to go by. Lets also assume that both sides would send probes first instead, let's say Megatron! For all we know, they have set up a listening station and Earth Espionage Telescope at Pluto, which human spacecraft still haven't reached, mere light hours away. They might already have the scouting reports on us before they even have to send a single troop on the ground, or more appropriately in the middle of the ocean, somewhere that we have not explored nearly as well as space. Don't be shocked if our first encounter with tfs might be with a Seacon!

Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:33 am

any one going to answer my new question?

News Credits: 15 · Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:16 am

Omega Alfa Prime wrote:what would you react to an autobot showing up on your front door and saying that you are the only person that can help them?

I'd get the hell out of there.

Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:51 pm

why?

Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:59 pm

Omega Alfa Prime wrote:any one going to answer my new question?

Sorry, I didn't want do two posts in a row. Well, I guess I am stuck with going with big robot, until I know its true intentions, otherwise it may hurt me or my loved ones.

Also, Omega Alfa Prime, I love to explore your excellent first question more, but from an unconventional angle. I took a SETI-angled course on the search for extraterrestial life. I watch a couple of documentaries on a scientific way to defend against an alien invasion. So, I will try explore question from quasi-SETI standpoint. This will very noncanonical, and NOT intend to be fan fiction, movie ideas, etc, in I don't want this to be a Transformer 4 plot at all! I want to this question from viewpoint of "What would a couple of real life advance races of giant robot that can camoflague themselves and change themselves into vehicles and other objects (just happened to known as Autobots and Decepticons) do if they were in our solar system?" Please be merciful to me Seibertronians and bear with me.

News Credits: 15 · Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:44 am

Omega Alfa Prime wrote:why?

I don't want to be involved in a giant robot's war. "Good luck, buddy. Here's what you need, now leave me alone. "

Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:56 am

If it's G1, we're hosed.

Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:12 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:If it's G1, we're hosed.

The only thing that might rescue us is that unless they actually crash here, the G1 tfs might view the outer planets (full of H) or Titan (fill with methane lakes, totally unlike God Gambit) as much better sources of easy energy than Earth, giving us safety for many more years.

News Credits: 22 · Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:56 am

This made me ponder a question: if we take this OP by different continuities, how would it turn out? Certainly, some of the Megatrons were much more successful than others in causing mayhem and taking steps in overtaking the planet.

News Credits: 1 · Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:25 am

Well, if it´s RID Megatron, we can just sit it out. We wouldn´t even need Autobots.

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:40 am

I keep thinking to 'The Ultimate Doom' and 'Revenge of Bruticus' and really, G1 animated could provide some choice doomsday scenarios for civilization and humanity as a whole.