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This is a fight of the Anti Hero, the bad guy who isnt really so bad or who is just fighting for a cause. Zechs Merquise is from Gundam Wing (After Colony universe) and Char Aznable is from the original Gundam and some series after that (Universal Century universe). Both characters are nearly the same, they both have a mask they are both aces and are feared and respected. Both had their families killed and then joined the organizations under a alias name.

Rules: to make this a fair fight and no MS has the upperhand, this fight is based purely on pilot skill alone. Zechs would fly a Leo and Char would be in a Zaku. No Gundanium Alloy just the typical cannon and saber/axe.

So who would win the Lightning Count or the Red Comet??

Char wins, not only was he a brilliant tactian but he was also a Newtype. While Zechs needed the Zero System.

Of course Zechs was able to handle the Tall-geese when nobody else could, which is a feat in itself, and was the only good thing to come out of the Emo depressed teen angst AC that is Gundam Wing.

The Zaku II is far superior to the Leo, not only in the fact that Zeon built their Zaku's to soak up alot of damage and keep on kicking. The Leo unfortunatly was just a really dumbed down version of the Tall-geese, not even being able to fight in space without a propulsion upgrade. While they were both cannon-fodder suits, a Zaku could overtake the Leo.

So it comes down to the pilots themselves. They would make their mobile suits shine above anyone else, but I think when it comes down to the end of it, Char would win.

Akai Suisei no Shiaaaa!!!!

Come on! Zechs needs a gut ripping MS to do any dammage. Char could probably beat him in his modified Zaku II. So if we sit him in his Sazabi... Char has pure skill over newtype abilities.

Rau Le Creuset from Seed would be more likely to stand a chance against Char. In the last episodes he was hinted to be a Newtype as well as being a coordinator. But still I consider the UC technology to be superior

Char can beat that prissy knock off any day.

Char, of course. The real deal. Accept no substitutes!

Shadowman wrote:Char, of course. The real deal. Accept no substitutes!

Indeed, Char could beat any of his imitators any day of the week.

Char can crush any of his homages. Zechs will do damage, he's that damned good but in the end..Leo debris will be floating in space as a familiar Red mobile suit stands there victorious.

Later on Noin will launch a revenge attack on Johnny Ridden, who is once again mistaken for Char. Johnny will survive but will be really damning Char's name now.

Seeing as A)A Zaku II is considerably more massive than a Leo (and yet, significantly faster and more maneuverable), B) AC Weapons Tech is attrociously weak, and C) Char is...well, CHAR, this pretty much goes to the Red Comet.

His illegitamate son doesn't stand a chance.

Black_Convoy wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Char, of course. The real deal. Accept no substitutes!

Indeed, Char could beat any of his imitators any day of the week.

Rau Le Creuset would probably give him a run for his money. SEED is a remake of UC (Not a ripoff. It has to be from someone else to qualify that, and there's way to many similarities), except shinier.

Then again, Le Creuset died in the same situation that Char survived, so I guess that would be a factor. And Le Creuset was even using a Gundam, albeit a CE Gundam.

Shadowman wrote:

Black_Convoy wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Char, of course. The real deal. Accept no substitutes!

Indeed, Char could beat any of his imitators any day of the week.

Rau Le Creuset would probably give him a run for his money. SEED is a remake of UC (Not a ripoff. It has to be from someone else to qualify that, and there's way to many similarities), except shinier.

Then again, Le Creuset died in the same situation that Char survived, so I guess that would be a factor. And Le Creuset was even using a Gundam, albeit a CE Gundam.

Not to mention Seed Gundams are seem to be a lot stronger than most of the UC Gundams.

PS: I hate Seed with a passion for so many reasons.

Black_Convoy wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Black_Convoy wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Char, of course. The real deal. Accept no substitutes!

Indeed, Char could beat any of his imitators any day of the week.

Rau Le Creuset would probably give him a run for his money. SEED is a remake of UC (Not a ripoff. It has to be from someone else to qualify that, and there's way to many similarities), except shinier.

Then again, Le Creuset died in the same situation that Char survived, so I guess that would be a factor. And Le Creuset was even using a Gundam, albeit a CE Gundam.

Not to mention Seed Gundams are seem to be a lot stronger than most of the UC Gundams.

PS: I hate Seed with a passion for so many reasons.

I disagree. Limited time to actually be able move around? (not to mention having color) Limited arsenal? Having to control every movement by programing? I think that's not very effective. I'm sure Zeta or Nu can beat Freedom and Justice anytime.

Personally the only thing that realy anoyed me about seed was the constant that half the show is just a bunch of flashbacks. That and the faces.

Evank_Horizon wrote:Personally the only thing that realy anoyed me about seed was the constant that half the show is just a bunch of flashbacks. That and the faces.

The flashbacks were annoying, (Especially in SEED Destiny) and I think they focused too much on the love stories, but I liked it anyway.

Plus, the chicks were hot.

Shadowman wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:Personally the only thing that realy anoyed me about seed was the constant that half the show is just a bunch of flashbacks. That and the faces.

The flashbacks were annoying, (Especially in SEED Destiny) and I think they focused too much on the love stories, but I liked it anyway.

Plus, the chicks were hot.

You mean it's actually wrost in Destiny?!? Did they make movies out of Seed and Destiny? I'm not sure I'm willing to go through 26 more episodes of that...

Anyway I read on wiki that there's yet another Masked Char clone in Destiny, is that true?

Yup. Neo Lornoak (or however they spell his name anymore), though despite the name, he's not as 'new' as he seems.

SEED Destiny's first tier ZAFT Gundams have to use multiple burts from their weapons to penetrate a colony wall in the first couple of episodes. Something the old RX-78 could do with one shot from its beam rifle. I'd be very hesitant to say that SEED's MS are any 'better', looking at the lack of concrete performance stats. In terms of piloting ability, one should note that most of the main characters in UC (From Newtypes like Amuro to even common soldiers like Shiro Amada) a lot more emphasis is placed on tactics that think outside the box, relying more on skill to defeat groups of enemies than just firing all ones weapons at once. Static attacks like Hi-MAT spam wouldn't cut it in most other settings.

Zeches

Evank_Horizon wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:Personally the only thing that realy anoyed me about seed was the constant that half the show is just a bunch of flashbacks. That and the faces.

The flashbacks were annoying, (Especially in SEED Destiny) and I think they focused too much on the love stories, but I liked it anyway.

Plus, the chicks were hot.

You mean it's actually wrost in Destiny?!? Did they make movies out of Seed and Destiny? I'm not sure I'm willing to go through 26 more episodes of that...

50, 51 if you count Final Plus.

And yes, it's much worse. No episode can go by without a flashback. Even the opening scene (Before the opening theme in the first episode) is a flashback to the Battle of Onogoro.

Evank_Horizon wrote:Anyway I read on wiki that there's yet another Masked Char clone in Destiny, is that true?

Yup. Neo Roanoke. (Named after the Colony of Roanoke, the first English colony of America)

Here's a fun fact:

Spoilerzzz! wrote:He's Mu La Flaga brought back from the dead!

I'll back Marquis in the Tallgeese III. That thing's hard core.

DesalationReborn wrote:I'll back Marquis in the Tallgeese III. That thing's hard core.

I'll agree, the Tall-geese and TG-III are badass machines.

But this is Zechs in a Leo, and Char in a Zaku.

Senor Hugo wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:I'll back Marquis in the Tallgeese III. That thing's hard core.

I'll agree, the Tall-geese and TG-III are badass machines.

But this is Zechs in a Leo, and Char in a Zaku.

Well that's no fair--Leos are the biggest cannon fodder since grapeshot. Zakus at least can get nicked without exploding.

DesalationReborn wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:I'll back Marquis in the Tallgeese III. That thing's hard core.

I'll agree, the Tall-geese and TG-III are badass machines.

But this is Zechs in a Leo, and Char in a Zaku.

Well that's no fair--Leos are the biggest cannon fodder since grapeshot. Zakus at least can get nicked without exploding.

That's because Universal Century is infinity times better than After Colony.

Char would win even if Zechs WAS using the Tallgeese.

Jee even if Zechs was in Tallgeese III he would be no match for Char. Because if you release the MS restriction then Char gets his Sazabi. And if you still think Zechs has any chance at all then you just aren't aware of what Char is capable of. In Sazabi, Char can control 6 funnels (mind controlled beam cannons). Sazabi has also 360° screen to add to his inate ability to sense any incoming attacks. Also, according to spechs, The Sazabi has better speed and maneuvrabilioty.

Better piloting skills, better psychic abilities, better mobile suit.

Zech just would not know what ever hit him.


You don't believe Sazabi it better? Check it out for yourself:
MSN-04 Sazabi
OZ-00MS2B Tallgeese III

Though I'm pretty sure Tallgeese III actually has better accelleration by MAHQ's stats, it's hard to say as they tend to tweak them every now and then. (Well, that, and the fact that there's very little concrete information on AC mobile suits). Also, the real killer in space manuevers is a vehicles Delta-V (rate of change of momentum or velocity, I think) which governs how easily it changes orbits.

Regardless, that's not the case here (and Sazabi's firepower advantage, along with that whole Newtype thing, more than makes up for whatever speed TGIII has, anyway).
Zechs might as well just get out and walk.

8 to 9?

How the hell is it that close?

I declare shenanigans on this thread for Zechs even being near the Red Comet in votes.

I vote for Char, the reasons are already made, heck, hand to hand, Char would whip the floor with Marquis.

Greed wrote:8 to 9?

How the hell is it that close?

I declare shenanigans on this thread for Zechs even being near the Red Comet in votes.

I guess that's what happen when people vote for thee only one they know.