First Global Sighting of Transformers Studio Series Voyagers Brawl and Megatron

Waiting for that Megatron to come over here so I can buy another mainline figure at full price.

Seriously, it's been a while since I bought so much without waiting for any sale. Especially movie figures that are marked up.

So having messed with Ratchet and Bee more, I feel slightly let down.

Ratchet is good, don't get me wrong, but I think his voyager figure from movie 1 is still the better Ratchet. It feels an appropriate size, has a good sized alt mode, and the transformation is fun. The SS guy really needed to be voyager scaled, he is too small.

And Bee, well, I'm sort of let down. The transformation is actually kinda annoying, and while the alt mode and robot mode are good, the getting there isn't really any good to me, It feels overcomplicated, too many small parts and parts running into each other. It is not swish at all. He also is definitely tiny to go with the overcomplicated, and his roof keeps snapping off in bot mode, I cannot pick that figure up without it coming off. And it runs into his wings, so I can't position his wings that well either.

It's kind of a shame that the deluxes are lackluster here, I had hopes for both, and Grimlock and Thundercracker kill them both in every single regard

Partly the reason I didn't bother with the deluxes so far. Especially at 30$CAN each. I have hopes for Jazz though.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:So having messed with Ratchet and Bee more, I feel slightly let down.

Ratchet is good, don't get me wrong, but I think his voyager figure from movie 1 is still the better Ratchet. It feels an appropriate size, has a good sized alt mode, and the transformation is fun. The SS guy really needed to be voyager scaled, he is too small.

And Bee, well, I'm sort of let down. The transformation is actually kinda annoying, and while the alt mode and robot mode are good, the getting there isn't really any good to me, It feels overcomplicated, too many small parts and parts running into each other. It is not swish at all. He also is definitely tiny to go with the overcomplicated, and his roof keeps snapping off in bot mode, I cannot pick that figure up without it coming off. And it runs into his wings, so I can't position his wings that well either.

It's kind of a shame that the deluxes are lackluster here, I had hopes for both, and Grimlock and Thundercracker kill them both in every single regard

Wouldn't a Voyager rachet be too big though? It would have to be a fairly small Voyager to match the scale they are going for.

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:So having messed with Ratchet and Bee more, I feel slightly let down.

Ratchet is good, don't get me wrong, but I think his voyager figure from movie 1 is still the better Ratchet. It feels an appropriate size, has a good sized alt mode, and the transformation is fun. The SS guy really needed to be voyager scaled, he is too small.

And Bee, well, I'm sort of let down. The transformation is actually kinda annoying, and while the alt mode and robot mode are good, the getting there isn't really any good to me, It feels overcomplicated, too many small parts and parts running into each other. It is not swish at all. He also is definitely tiny to go with the overcomplicated, and his roof keeps snapping off in bot mode, I cannot pick that figure up without it coming off. And it runs into his wings, so I can't position his wings that well either.

It's kind of a shame that the deluxes are lackluster here, I had hopes for both, and Grimlock and Thundercracker kill them both in every single regard

Wouldn't a Voyager rachet be too big though? It would have to be a fairly small Voyager to match the scale they are going for.

Yeah, SS Ratchet is way better than 2007 Voyager Ratchet (who is definitely far too large to fit in with this lot or alongside any voyager Optimus Prime and certainly with SS Starscream) The 2007 toy was fun for the time but I find it far too blocky in the legs and inaccurate these days.

Not sure how Bumblebee is complicated. Only issue I have is the getting the hood in place in both modes. I still haven't quite figured out if there's an easier way but then I still haven't even looked at the instructions so it can't be that complicated a figure to even do. So yeah other than the hood I find him pretty easy to transform back and forth. Even showed a video a couple weeks ago how I added a bit of polish to the roof joint and then shook the figure and it didn't come off at all. I've no problems with that.

I'm still hoping there's a new Ironhide coming eventually. ALl his previous voyager toys have stupidly annoying fiddly things going on with the chest/shoulders and I had more fun with the 2010 Deluxe so like Ratchet I hope a new Ironhide would be based on that but inproved (less arm kibble though I like how the cannons go there) and slightly enlargened and paint it up like the Movie The Best version.

In the meatime, gimme that Megatron.

I thought a Ironhide had been leaked Or am I mixing it up with the mpm line?

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought a Ironhide had been leaked Or am I mixing it up with the mpm line?

Currently the sole Wave 3 Voyager.

Emerje

Dmax, did you get your Hammer Bee yet? How does it compare to this SS one for you?

Also yeah, a voyger ratchet is more something to hope for in the MPM line.

Even though I love my 2007 voyager Ratchet, so much that it's the only one I kept, it's still WAY too big to be in scale with anything. Maybe leader ROTF Optimus.

SS Ratchet should have been a smaller voyager like SS Optimus.

I really wish there was a size class between Deluxe and Voyager for guys like Ratchet and Ironhide. Voyager is too big but Deluxe is too small.

Black Hat wrote:I really wish there was a size class between Deluxe and Voyager for guys like Ratchet and Ironhide. Voyager is too big but Deluxe is too small.

There is, it's called Studio Series Optimus Prime class.

But with him being so small, deluxe for Ratchet works

Deluxe class...prime class...voyager class?

It's got a certain ring to it

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Wouldn't a Voyager rachet be too big though? It would have to be a fairly small Voyager to match the scale they are going for.

Yeah, SS Ratchet is way better than 2007 Voyager Ratchet (who is definitely far too large to fit in with this lot or alongside any voyager Optimus Prime and certainly with SS Starscream) The 2007 toy was fun for the time but I find it far too blocky in the legs and inaccurate these days.

Not sure how Bumblebee is complicated. Only issue I have is the getting the hood in place in both modes. I still haven't quite figured out if there's an easier way but then I still haven't even looked at the instructions so it can't be that complicated a figure to even do. So yeah other than the hood I find him pretty easy to transform back and forth. Even showed a video a couple weeks ago how I added a bit of polish to the roof joint and then shook the figure and it didn't come off at all. I've no problems with that.

I'm still hoping there's a new Ironhide coming eventually. ALl his previous voyager toys have stupidly annoying fiddly things going on with the chest/shoulders and I had more fun with the 2010 Deluxe so like Ratchet I hope a new Ironhide would be based on that but inproved (less arm kibble though I like how the cannons go there) and slightly enlargened and paint it up like the Movie The Best version.

In the meatime, gimme that Megatron.

I would prefer a small voyager Ratchet to a tall skinny deluxe Ratchet. I was disappointed to learn that my stores are all going with the $20 and $30 for the classes, whereas with TLK they were $17 and $26. I would pay $10 more for Ratchet to be a bit more complex with a larger alt mode that shrinks down into robot mode.

the voyager Ratchet really fit the movie 1 and 2 aesthetic, and I liked his blockiness, even if movie Ratchet is more skinny in the legs. The voyager is more fun to transform too.

Bumblebee is extremely fiddly, especially in the legs. It's really annoying that there are several parts you need to keep forcing out of the way for the clearance to transform. His hood is also an issue cause it clamps on so tight in alt mode I was legitimately afraid I was about to break him when I finally got it loose going back to bot mode. and as I said, he is just a bit too tiny. He is a full head and a half shorter than Evac, and Evac is supposed to be smaller cause he's a frikkin Orlando Studios ride with a boxy alt mode.

I was hoping for more with both.

william-james88 wrote:Dmax, did you get your Hammer Bee yet? How does it compare to this SS one for you?

Also yeah, a voyger ratchet is more something to hope for in the MPM line.

No, I don't get him for at least another month.

And I will look forward to an MPM Ratchet.

and I don't particularly care for the "robot mode" scale they are going with. It's made Bee too small, Ratchet the wrong size class (in my opinion), and Optimus too small. And it's gonna make Jazz a slightly enlarged Legends class figure basically. I wish they would have done some tweaking, simplified some things to make the figures larger instead of more complex, and made the price point more worth it. Grimlock was worth it, Bee and Ratchet were not. Those 2 are in the $15 deluxe, not a $20.

OK...so am I the only one who thinks that Brawl's face could be perceived as ET? Seriously...same shaped face as ET.

I was just thinking the other day when looking at the PotP Voyager section of the shelf at Walmart filled with SS Voyagers that they really should go back to Mega class for movie figures. Voyager was never a great name for the size class and is such a strange throwback to the Unicron Trilogy that has since lost all meaning. If Hasbro is still so attached to it then it should stay with Generations and Generations only and use different classes for the Movie line, especially now where SS sizes vary wildly within each class.

Emerje

First-Aid wrote:OK...so am I the only one who thinks that Brawl's face could be perceived as ET? Seriously...same shaped face as ET.

I think the same

Got my Grimlock. Um. Feeling a bit meh about him to be honest. Doesn't feel like I got my £52.99's worth. Robot mode is nice but I wish he had his big weapon the voyager did. Yeah I'm gonna get that upgrade kit anyways but still.

Dinosaur mode I'm confused with. I transformed it without instructions...and thought I did it wrong.. so I checked the instructions...and I seem to have done it all right from what I can see. I don't agree with the opinion that the robot arm is hidden in the chest area of the dino at all. It's blatantly there in sculpt, only slightly hiding just because of the colour scheme. The tail section confuses me most. Does none of it peg into place? And the front skirty bit of the robot mode just hangs diagonally down between the legs? Would be nice if it could fold up at the sides and cover some more of the folded up robot arm.

This is my fifth Studio Series figure but the first that I feel genuine disappointment with. Maybe I just believed the hype far too much. The detail in the sculpt is fantastic and the robot mode certainly is fun but I do feel like I paid far too much for it in general and am gonna have to pay more to improve it.









Gonna have to think long and hard if I wanna get Blackout cos i don't feel like saving up another £50+ just to feel buyer's remorse again. I'll wait for Megatron for now anyways.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Got my Grimlock. Um. Feeling a bit meh about him to be honest. Doesn't feel like I got my £52.99's worth. Robot mode is nice but I wish he had his big weapon the voyager did. Yeah I'm gonna get that upgrade kit anyways but still.

Dinosaur mode I'm confused with. I transformed it without instructions...and thought I did it wrong.. so I checked the instructions...and I seem to have done it all right from what I can see. I don't agree with the opinion that the robot arm is hidden in the chest area of the dino at all. It's blatantly there in sculpt, only slightly hiding just because of the colour scheme. The tail section confuses me most. Does none of it peg into place? And the front skirty bit of the robot mode just hangs diagonally down between the legs? Would be nice if it could fold up at the sides and cover some more of the folded up robot arm.

This is my fifth Studio Series figure but the first that I feel genuine disappointment with. Maybe I just believed the hype far too much. The detail in the sculpt is fantastic and the robot mode certainly is fun but I do feel like I paid far too much for it in general and am gonna have to pay more to improve it.

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Gonna have to think long and hard if I wanna get Blackout cos i don't feel like saving up another £50+ just to feel buyer's remorse again. I'll wait for Megatron for now anyways.

These are pretty much my feelings on Grimlock too. I don't know if I can honestly say he's worth the $80 I put down on him, though he is still a good toy it's just a lot of money to pay for something with so many issues.

At the same time though, he's been my go-to desk toy for the last week or so. I guess I'm just having fun transforming him back and forth, even if one of those end-points is... disappointing.

I only spent fifty on Grimlock, and feel like I overpaid.

Qwan wrote:These are pretty much my feelings on Grimlock too. I don't know if I can honestly say he's worth the $80 I put down on him, though he is still a good toy it's just a lot of money to pay for something with so many issues.

At the same time though, he's been my go-to desk toy for the last week or so. I guess I'm just having fun transforming him back and forth, even if one of those end-points is... disappointing.

Yeah he's gonna stay on my desk a lil while so I can try warming up to him. I don't really like the transformation too much though. Mainly cos of that whole tail section and having to punch his own throat out. I've put him back into robot mode and yeah I like him much more this way (though I do wish the dino toes could have folded inwards or something cos they're too noticable to me sticking out of his heels.

I do find it rather amusing having him in dino mode but leaving the fake head unseperated so it's like he's got another head coming out of his lower back. I dunno why.

But yeah very much looking forward to the DNA Design upgrade kit to fix at least some my issues with it. The robot mode does still look pretty darn awesome and imposing and beautifully detailed. I just wish I'd got it cheaper. I didn't feel that way about my other Studio purchases which I love muchly.

I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Does look neat having these three knight-like TFs together... even though Grimlock is still technically undersized.

Ok so Grimlock would actually be gigantic compared to Kratos if real scale but I still think this looks cool.




Ok I'm done for the day. Stuff to do. And a busy dress/tech rehearsal in the evening. Have fun, folks.

Black Hat wrote:I really wish there was a size class between Deluxe and Voyager for guys like Ratchet and Ironhide. Voyager is too big but Deluxe is too small.

Something I've been mulling over as I look at Studio BB...

Have they locked themselves into impossible designs or at least problematic ones with the cars being so small?

Looking at the significant car character in the films, you have:

Jazz
Barricade
Sideways (kind of...)
Sideswipe
Skids and Mudflap
Dino
Jolt (kind of)
Crosshairs
Drift
Lockdown

I feel like characters like Mudflap, Crosshairs, and Barricade are going to need more than this size can deliver.

I hope I'm wrong. It would be fun to be proven wrong.

I guess seeing will be believing. (and I do realize Jazz and Lockdown are on their way)

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

This^ I have the thundercracker version and it’s great

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

Disagree. It's bland, stubby, doesn't look right, and too many corners cut on design.

I am glad so many like it, however, as I was able to sell mine on eBay for a profit.

Recently got SS Starscream - he's awesome! I thought the DOTM deluxe was ok (not great), but this improves on that mold in so many ways. I'm really impressed with the studio series so far, hope we get some new reveals soon!

Whelp, looks like it's been discovered how Hasbro was able to make Megatron such a big Voyager within their usual budget range:



Oy vey.

Sabrblade wrote:Whelp, looks like it's been discovered how Hasbro was able to make Megatron such a big Voyager within their usual budget range:



Oy vey.

That's a common practice. And I'm all for it if the hollow appear in angles that are not usually looked at.

Sabrblade wrote:Whelp, looks like it's been discovered how Hasbro was able to make Megatron such a big Voyager within their usual budget range:



Oy vey.

There's always Movie the Best RotF Megatron too.

AlvinC wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

This^ I have the thundercracker version and it’s great

I don't like that that the wing joints don't let them straighten out properly, they have a bend to them now. I don't like the way the arms feel like they're being haphazardly crammed under the jet. And it's minor, but I don't like the way the missiles have to be removed and then put back on. Plus that underside of jet mode is wreck, but that's normal so I can't exactly hold it against him. I guess with all of the hype I was expecting something amazing and fun to transform, but he ended up being a bit annoying.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

AlvinC wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

This^ I have the thundercracker version and it’s great

I don't like that that the wing joints don't let them straighten out properly, they have a bend to them now. I don't like the way the arms feel like they're being haphazardly crammed under the jet. And it's minor, but I don't like the way the missiles have to be removed and then put back on. Plus that underside of jet mode is wreck, but that's normal so I can't exactly hold it against him. I guess with all of the hype I was expecting something amazing and fun to transform, but he ended up being a bit annoying.

Emerje

I don't know what you're talking about with the wing joints making the wings bend. Mine sit nice and flush. There are some tabs that help everything "click" into place on the main body of the jet. Otherwise, the wings do slope down a bit. When you have it all lined up correctly, though, it's not a problem. The arms aren't really all that "haphazard" for a jet transformer either. The wings do snap into them when you transform it all correctly. Like you said, the underside of the jet is a mess of robot mode kibble, but few Transformers jets aren't. Having to remove the missiles and place them elsewhere for robot mode is also par for the course. What makes Nitro fun for me is the transformation, which is clever, fun, and satisfying, the Titans Return compatibility, including a cockpit in jet mode that can be piloted by a Titan Master, and the overall quality of the figure itself in terms of durable plastic, size, heft, tight joints, and overall integrity (i.e., no parts or panels popping off at the slightest provocation). Nitro Zeus is a solid figure and one of the better offerings of the TLK Premier Edition line overall.

Sabrblade wrote:Whelp, looks like it's been discovered how Hasbro was able to make Megatron such a big Voyager within their usual budget range:



Oy vey.

Not a problem for me, I don't position my figures sideways on

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Whelp, looks like it's been discovered how Hasbro was able to make Megatron such a big Voyager within their usual budget range:



Oy vey.

Not a problem for me, I don't position my figures sideways on

Well that's ruined it for me. Not buying it at all now. Ugh. bleh...

actually nah... I'll still get it. Plenty other TF toys have similar weird hollow sections when viewed side on with their arms up. And maybe be able to figure out someway of 'fixing' it. Maybe cram a tiny Megatron figure inside. Hm I have the Titans Return Megatron head unused (since I far prefer the CW Leader Megatron's headsculpt which I have in downsized KO form I use on my Titans Return Megatron body) so maybe I'll see if I cna squeeze him in there. Just for funsies.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AlvinC wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

This^ I have the thundercracker version and it’s great

I don't like that that the wing joints don't let them straighten out properly, they have a bend to them now. I don't like the way the arms feel like they're being haphazardly crammed under the jet. And it's minor, but I don't like the way the missiles have to be removed and then put back on. Plus that underside of jet mode is wreck, but that's normal so I can't exactly hold it against him. I guess with all of the hype I was expecting something amazing and fun to transform, but he ended up being a bit annoying.

Emerje

I don't know what you're talking about with the wing joints making the wings bend. Mine sit nice and flush. There are some tabs that help everything "click" into place on the main body of the jet. Otherwise, the wings do slope down a bit. When you have it all lined up correctly, though, it's not a problem. The arms aren't really all that "haphazard" for a jet transformer either. The wings do snap into them when you transform it all correctly. Like you said, the underside of the jet is a mess of robot mode kibble, but few Transformers jets aren't. Having to remove the missiles and place them elsewhere for robot mode is also par for the course. What makes Nitro fun for me is the transformation, which is clever, fun, and satisfying, the Titans Return compatibility, including a cockpit in jet mode that can be piloted by a Titan Master, and the overall quality of the figure itself in terms of durable plastic, size, heft, tight joints, and overall integrity (i.e., no parts or panels popping off at the slightest provocation). Nitro Zeus is a solid figure and one of the better offerings of the TLK Premier Edition line overall.

I guess my main issues with Nitro were his head sculpt being boring (in my opinion, it just looked dull and narrow and I would've definitely preferred the Shockwave head from the movie) and I really didn't care for his color scheme. I liked both modes and the transformation a lot. Thundercracker solved all my issues - beautiful color choices, a super cool Starscream/insect head sculpt and he held together better than my Nitro too. Great mold in my opinion, but I do see the transformation being frustrating.

Autobot Roadburn wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AlvinC wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't own Grimlock yet, but I can't imagine he'll be a bigger disappointment than Nitro was.

Emerje

Wait, what!? TLK Nitro is fantastic!

This^ I have the thundercracker version and it’s great

I don't like that that the wing joints don't let them straighten out properly, they have a bend to them now. I don't like the way the arms feel like they're being haphazardly crammed under the jet. And it's minor, but I don't like the way the missiles have to be removed and then put back on. Plus that underside of jet mode is wreck, but that's normal so I can't exactly hold it against him. I guess with all of the hype I was expecting something amazing and fun to transform, but he ended up being a bit annoying.

Emerje

I don't know what you're talking about with the wing joints making the wings bend. Mine sit nice and flush. There are some tabs that help everything "click" into place on the main body of the jet. Otherwise, the wings do slope down a bit. When you have it all lined up correctly, though, it's not a problem. The arms aren't really all that "haphazard" for a jet transformer either. The wings do snap into them when you transform it all correctly. Like you said, the underside of the jet is a mess of robot mode kibble, but few Transformers jets aren't. Having to remove the missiles and place them elsewhere for robot mode is also par for the course. What makes Nitro fun for me is the transformation, which is clever, fun, and satisfying, the Titans Return compatibility, including a cockpit in jet mode that can be piloted by a Titan Master, and the overall quality of the figure itself in terms of durable plastic, size, heft, tight joints, and overall integrity (i.e., no parts or panels popping off at the slightest provocation). Nitro Zeus is a solid figure and one of the better offerings of the TLK Premier Edition line overall.

I guess my main issues with Nitro were his head sculpt being boring (in my opinion, it just looked dull and narrow and I would've definitely preferred the Shockwave head from the movie) and I really didn't care for his color scheme. I liked both modes and the transformation a lot. Thundercracker solved all my issues - beautiful color choices, a super cool Starscream/insect head sculpt and he held together better than my Nitro too. Great mold in my opinion, but I do see the transformation being frustrating.

Overquoting to say that yes, Nitro by himself is pretty bland. However, it's thanks to that that he's such perfect custom fodder.




However, Thundercracker is way too beautiful as he is and I wouldn't dare turning it into a custom.

That thunderwing looks beautiful kanra! Was it just the custom paint job you did? (Aside from the thunderwing titan master)

ZeroWolf wrote:That thunderwing looks beautiful kanra! Was it just the custom paint job you did? (Aside from the thunderwing titan master)

I bought the WHOLE special TR set just for the Titant Master. And I regret nothing.
Even though I'm not good at painting, that Thunderwing was a straight repaint. It was way easier than expected. Mainly because the base Nitro color was about the same as Thunderwing's. The disassembly was straightforward, except the scary part the leg halves that were GLUED together. And finally, a G1 Thunderwing label sheet from Toyhax sealed the deal!

I had lot of fun doing it. And I'm not the only one. Make me wonder if Exclusive-Chan will pick up the idea?

Finally managed to get Optimus thanks to the sale. So how is he?

+ Robot mode is fantastic and the black part on the chest don't bother me at all in the end.
+ Darker colors look very nice and that red plastic feel very "premium".
+ Transformation managed to surprise me and take me back to the ROTF days.

- Vehicle mode look like ass. Especially the short smokestacks and the in-your-face feet.
- Can't seem to properly tab the front of the truck together properly. I may have done something wrong. Not the first time for any Movie Optimuses.

Verdict:
It's still a buy, but only on sale. HFTD Battle Blades Optimus is still the undisputable champion of the Movie voyager Optimuses, followed closely by Evasion Mode from AoE.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Verdict:
It's still a buy, but only on sale. HFTD Battle Blades Optimus is still the undisputable champion of the Movie voyager Optimuses, followed closely by Evasion Mode from AoE.

I'm still undecided on the order of these (and I'd include TLK Prime as one of my faves too though very different design than these three are doing). There are things each of them does far better than the others. For example the HFTD BB (or Revenge as I have with the chrome and such) looks better at first glance but has some faults of it's own such as the tiny feet, the crappy shoulder pads that aren't even shoulder pads (since they annoyingly hinge on the upper arm and barely touch the shoulder at all and are too flat, and the huge truck kibble panels on the forearms that make posing them kinda awkward when correctly slid up, the backpack is horrible, and the hands aren't 5mm ports like most figures so cannot easily give him better guns. Also it's main feature, the swords, just ruin the look of the forearms even more, especially when they are folded back into 'storage' position and are rubbery so kinda easy to bend/warp. The blades on the SS figure are firm, detailed and totally detachable (so can be removed completely or if you like can attach to other figures), which to me looks far superior and cleaner.

Evasion Prime has it's own inaccuracies and annoyances too such as the forearms, and the huge joints on either side of the chest and obviously a useless toy if wanting to turn into the original movie truck.

There is no perfect Voyager Optimus Prime, just several really fun and different ones all kinda great in their own ways. Just pick your fave I guess.

Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

william-james88 wrote:

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

Crowbar. Hands. Fucking. Down. Then grimlock, not because it is bad, but very disappointing.

Ironhidensh wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

Crowbar. Hands. ****. Down. Then grimlock, not because it is bad, but very disappointing.

Whats so terrible about Crowbar?

No wait, I know, its the tentacle hemorrhoids right?

Ironhidensh wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

Crowbar. Hands. ****. Down. Then grimlock, not because it is bad, but very disappointing.

My Bee isn’t an 80201 but it doesn’t have the issues, I guess it’s just a case of your mileage may vary. It’s hard to rank the SS figures I have so far* because they’re all really good, but I think Blackout has the most issues. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Blackout, but I think it’s the vehicle mode that really carries the figure; his articulation in robot mode is really limited and getting him into alt. mode is a big pain.

* Bee, Blackout, & Starscream

william-james88 wrote:

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

Mine's 80161 and while it did have the roof issue it was a reasonably easy fix and I've enjoyed playing with the toy muchly since I got it (and i finally figured out the tricky hood). Moreso than Grimlock whom I just can't find any interest into transforming into dino mode cos it kinda sucks. Not as much as PotP Grimlock's dino mode sure, but still pretty 'meh'. The robot arm in the throat and the crummy tail section being the most annoying parts for me.

Just ordered Jazz and Lockdown.

william-james88 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

Crowbar. Hands. ****. Down. Then grimlock, not because it is bad, but very disappointing.

Whats so terrible about Crowbar?

No wait, I know, its the tentacle hemorrhoids right?

That, and mine seems to have the floppyness issues that most others have a experienced with Bumblebee. Also, I find that it's very, very difficult to line up the panels correctly in vehicle mode.

My Ratchet is extremely loose and floppy as well. For me, the two most solid figures of the line are Optimus and Starscream.

Ironhidensh wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

What's Crackin'? wrote:Bumble Bee is in no way the worst figure in the line. Look for one with the numbers 80201, AND IT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE.

That does not change the fact that there are many out there which do not have that number and suck giant balls. And anyway, if Bee is not the worst, then who is?

Crowbar. Hands. ****. Down. Then grimlock, not because it is bad, but very disappointing.

Whats so terrible about Crowbar?

No wait, I know, its the tentacle hemorrhoids right?

That, and mine seems to have the floppyness issues that most others have a experienced with Bumblebee. Also, I find that it's very, very difficult to line up the panels correctly in vehicle mode.

My Ratchet is extremely loose and floppy as well. For me, the two most solid figures of the line are Optimus and Starscream.

Your mileage really does vary with this whole line. My Crowbar is excellent. It's got tight joints, panels that line up with relative ease, and nothing pops off during transformation or otherwise. This is all in stark contrast to his mold forbearer Berserker from The Last Knight.

My Ratchet is also nice and tight in the joints. No floppiness. My Bumblebee isn't floppy either, but does have those roof panels that fall off if you look at them the wrong way. Again, I compare this to my TLK Bumblebee ver. 2, which is very floppy, but nothing pops off during transformation. Quality control really seems to be very hit and miss lately with movie Transformers figures.