Images and Reviews of Transformers Masterpiece Ginrai Figures + Breakage Warning

Of all the white repaints of Optimus Prime we had over the years, Super Ginrai would be the only one I'd really be interested into. It'd be a fun diversion from the classic Ultra Magnus look, other than a more proper usage of an OP mold due to the combining-to-the-trailer gimmick already being in place. OFC a new head for the combined mode should be a must.

I dont quite understand Masterpiece rules now. Scale seems all over with the Trainbots and now Ginrai who both seem more CHUG/Generations scaled. Looks like the cab robot is same size as SS86 Prime. If I had known that I prolly would have bought Ginrai instead, but I assumed he would be near MP44 size. I guess he was a bit smaller in the show, just not by that much. Also I thought MP was over, is this one of the last ones or are just doing kinda random one offs from now on.

Hero Alpha wrote:Also I thought MP was over, is this one of the last ones or are just doing kinda random one offs from now on.

There are two lines, Masterpiece and MPG, and both have their own Ginrai release. MP-60 Ginrai is the toy-accurate version that is just the cab robot, while MPG-09 Super Ginrai is the show-accurate version that is both the cab robot and the trailer. MP-60 Ginrai is the final release in the Masterpiece line, while MPG is continuing with more releases to come after MPG-09 Super Ginrai.

What I don't get is why end the MP line? And only going with MPG? The G stands for Gattai (合体), which means "combining." One can argue Super Ginrai is a MPG because the it "combines" the truck with the trailer into a robot. But then there aren't that many proper MPG figures to do outside of combiners that fall into the Gattai definition, limiting TT's options. While keep the MP line doesn't limit TT's hands introducing combiners into the line.

Is "Masterpiece Gattai" represent more of a scale thing now started by Raiden's size? With TT finding the old MP scale in its "2.0" articulaiton complexity too expensive for the market?

I got out of the MP game after Tracks (only got Megatron 2.0 post-Tracks) as I couldn't stand the too-Sunbow look and increasingly poor QC. But then Skids came and the design interview gave me hope. Only to find out that's an anomaly... and then it ends with Ginrai. Was glad I got out when I did.

I wouldn't mind TT is re-starting Masterpiece 1.0 engineering & design style in a smaller scale and call it "MPG." But it doesn't seem to be the case for now.

cloudballoon wrote:What I don't get is why end the MP line? And only going with MPG? The G stands for Gattai (合体), which means "combining."

In the time since MPG first began, TakaraTomy updated their website to provide a more elaborate explanation for what the G stands for, saying it not only stands for "Gattai" but also for "Giant" and "Great", and not just referring to the figures' sizes but also to the technology used to make them.

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:What I don't get is why end the MP line? And only going with MPG? The G stands for Gattai (合体), which means "combining."

In the time since MPG first began, TakaraTomy updated their website to provide a more elaborate explanation for what the G stands for, saying it not only stands for "Gattai" but also for "Giant" and "Great", and not just referring to the figures' sizes but also to the technology used to make them.

Ah. That gives me hope yet! Thanks for the clarification. I really missed the MP1.0 days.

My (extremely dumb) theory is that the MPG refresh was done to clean up the packaging. With the advent of T-Spark, the MP-60 box now has several things slammed onto the front:

• Standard stuff: MP logo, Takara Tomy logo, banner with toy designation and name
• Takara Tomy's TF logo
• "Long life design" logo
• T-Spark logo
• Temporary, but who know how long they'll use it - TF 40th logo

Add in some extra text on Ginrai and wow, the front of the box is honestly a mess. MP really got lost in all their various branding exercises.

And tbh, the specifically MPG stuff of Super Ginrai and Raiden just doesn't feel the same as MP did. I really hope it turns a corner with whatever's next after Godbomber.

Those exhaust pipes should have been die cast, the peg on my exhaust pipe sheared off. You wouldn't notice it to look at it. I've been hearing that you need to release the knee and keep the legs and trailer hitch connected when you go to combine it. I can't check that. I'm not super disappointed but not happy either. I don't know if it's worth the effort to fix on mine.

Masterpiece? More like master PIECES! Wooooooah!

Thanks for the answers on MP stuff. I had forgotten about the MPG thing. Only MP's I really ever bought were the cassetes and that was only for my Generations stuff. Always been too expensive for me, but I did love a lot of the 2.0 Sunbow stuff(comic/toon accurate nerd here). I never pushed for more cartoon accuracy, cause I didn't buy it and I understand how/why people loved the 1.0 type figures with more detail. The one, besides cassettes, I own is Skywarp, the old one with the leg kibble, and it is pretty great.

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:What I don't get is why end the MP line? And only going with MPG? The G stands for Gattai (合体), which means "combining."

In the time since MPG first began, TakaraTomy updated their website to provide a more elaborate explanation for what the G stands for, saying it not only stands for "Gattai" but also for "Giant" and "Great", and not just referring to the figures' sizes but also to the technology used to make them.

Were those titles assigned to anything specific? I'm thinking Gattai is combiners (obviously), Giant is regular sized MPs, and Great is the seemingly new scale which is really just up-charged Generations figures (Ginrai).

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we got some MPG Headmaster Juniors. We had leaks for years for those in Legacy and all we got was a non-Headmaster Minerva and the 'Cons.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:What I don't get is why end the MP line? And only going with MPG? The G stands for Gattai (合体), which means "combining."

In the time since MPG first began, TakaraTomy updated their website to provide a more elaborate explanation for what the G stands for, saying it not only stands for "Gattai" but also for "Giant" and "Great", and not just referring to the figures' sizes but also to the technology used to make them.

Were those titles assigned to anything specific? I'm thinking Gattai is combiners (obviously), Giant is regular sized MPs, and Great is the seemingly new scale which is really just up-charged Generations figures (Ginrai).

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we got some MPG Headmaster Juniors. We had leaks for years for those in Legacy and all we got was a non-Headmaster Minerva and the 'Cons.

Emerje

「MPG」は GATTAI（合体）、GIANT（巨大化）、GREAT（グレート！)をテーマにしたこれまで培った技術の集大成。トランスフォーマーは次なるステージへ。

"MPG" is a culmination of all the technology we have developed so far, with the themes of GATTAI (combination), GIANT (giant), and GREAT (great!). Transformers are moving to the next stage.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:What I don't get is why end the MP line? And only going with MPG? The G stands for Gattai (合体), which means "combining."

In the time since MPG first began, TakaraTomy updated their website to provide a more elaborate explanation for what the G stands for, saying it not only stands for "Gattai" but also for "Giant" and "Great", and not just referring to the figures' sizes but also to the technology used to make them.

Were those titles assigned to anything specific? I'm thinking Gattai is combiners (obviously), Giant is regular sized MPs, and Great is the seemingly new scale which is really just up-charged Generations figures (Ginrai).

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we got some MPG Headmaster Juniors. We had leaks for years for those in Legacy and all we got was a non-Headmaster Minerva and the 'Cons.

Emerje

「MPG」は GATTAI（合体）、GIANT（巨大化）、GREAT（グレート！)をテーマにしたこれまで培った技術の集大成。トランスフォーマーは次なるステージへ。

"MPG" is a culmination of all the technology we have developed so far, with the themes of GATTAI (combination), GIANT (giant), and GREAT (great!). Transformers are moving to the next stage.

OK, so I might now be so far off.

Emerje

Like I was saying earlier here, and reading last few posts; the "new" scale Train-bots and Ginrai, sure seem to be Generations scaled. It looks like utilizing the past MP level of engineering or technology are using MPG as a supplemental line to Generations/CHUG/SS figures almost. Along with one offs maybe?

Hero Alpha wrote:Like I was saying earlier here, and reading last few posts; the "new" scale Train-bots and Ginrai, sure seem to be Generations scaled. It looks like utilizing the past MP level of engineering or technology are using MPG as a supplemental line to Generations/CHUG/SS figures almost. Along with one offs maybe?

Definitely some one offs, we're getting MPG Lift-Ticket and DK-2 Guard (based on MP Hoist and Ironhide) in a few months.

Incidentally (to anyone here that can do anything about it), TFWiki needs some MP housekeeping. MPG isn't listed as an MP subline even though the MPG page calls it one. And the section for MP Hoist doesn't mention Lift-Ticket. There's also no writeups for those two MPGs. Plus there's no "Guard (disambiguation)" page that would ideally include DK-2 Guard, just a red link to one when you search for it on the page for "Guard" the planet.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:MPG isn't listed as an MP subline even though the MPG page calls it one.

The MPG page says "spinoff line", not "subline". And the MP page's introduction section at the top of the page concludes with "The line ended in 2024, with collector toy focus shifting to The Transformers: MPG."

Emerje wrote:And the section for MP Hoist doesn't mention Lift-Ticket.

"Yet", you mean.

Emerje wrote:There's also no writeups for those two MPGs.

Because there's not yet much to say about it at this time, with more concrete info coming either closer to or after its release.

Emerje wrote:Plus there's no "Guard (disambiguation)" page that would ideally include DK-2 Guard, just a red link to one when you search for it on the page for "Guard" the planet.

Because no one's gotten around to making one yet.

I don't mean this to sound defensive, but the wiki is based entirely on volunteer work that gets done whenever someone gets around to it and feels inclined to do so. If someone sees work that needs to be done and feels the need to see it done, we encourage anyone and everyone whose willing and wanting to come onboard and contribute. In other words, be the change that you want to see made.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:And the section for MP Hoist doesn't mention Lift-Ticket.

"Yet", you mean.

I only brought it up because MP Ironhide mentions DK-2 Guard.

I don't mean this to sound defensive, but the wiki is based entirely on volunteer work that gets done whenever someone gets around to it and feels inclined to do so. If someone sees work that needs to be done and feels the need to see it done, we encourage anyone and everyone whose willing and wanting to come onboard and contribute. In other words, be the change that you want to see made.

Trust me, as someone that should be contributing more news articles here I completely understand and would never complain about volunteer work. This was more of a topic relevant "in case you didn't notice" comment.

Emerje

Very interesting. Shell Shockers

BIG NEWS for Beast Wars fans. After YEARS of teasing, Takara is finally releasing their Masterpiece Rattrap. He will be released in the MPG line which basically confirms that it's just a continuation of the MP line and not in any way different from it. We know it will be fully revealed with preorders in February in Japan and will have a September release. The Price point was also revealed: 15000 Yen. That's about $95 USD, and of course there will be changes in currency exchange till then along with probable discounts from Japanese retailers which could bring the price down by $20 before shipping.

Below are the only 2 images we have from Takara themselves, along with the list where we gathered all the information shared.

Hopefully he'll come with some cool accessories & in-arm storage.

If this can attach to MP Primal maybe it's a better fit for the MPG line than we thought.

Took ‘em a while but they finally did it, they’re finally completing the OG Maximal crew. Definitely will try to get, as if I didn’t pay nearly half for his Thrilling 30 fig.

Here’s hoping that we start getting some more traction with the rest of the Beasties in the “new” MPG line.

Hopefully out by the next year of the cat :p long time coming for this one, hope they get to do more.

Which figure is on the bottom? Is that a Diaclone reboot figure?

TK415 wrote:Which figure is on the bottom? Is that a Diaclone reboot figure?

Yes, it's a Diaclone/Macross collaboration figure based on some version of the Valkyrie.

Sabrblade wrote:

TK415 wrote:Which figure is on the bottom? Is that a Diaclone reboot figure?

Yes, it's a Diaclone/Macross collaboration figure based on some version of the Valkyrie.

Great thanks Sabrblade!

I know a lot of people are probably looking forward to this one, for a host of reasons. But it's a hard pass for me. 90+ smackers for this? And from the photos I'd be surprised if it's even 'deluxe' sized. Super-duper engineering or not, that's too high a price for my liking...

DeathReviews wrote:I know a lot of people are probably looking forward to this one, for a host of reasons. But it's a hard pass for me. 90+ smackers for this? And from the photos I'd be surprised if it's even 'deluxe' sized. Super-duper engineering or not, that's too high a price for my liking...

If it's to be in scale with the other Beast Wars MPs, then I'd say it definitely needs to be smaller than a deluxe. Deluxe would be way too big.

My guess is he'll be about half the height of MP Primal.

No need for guesses, more images out. One hell of a an expensive furry back pack for the big bot but I'm in for him.

The actual sources with every image:

https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810877554/
https://hobby.dengeki.com/news/2450885/

Our wallets are all gonna die.

We thank Sabrblade for letting us know of a slew of new official images of MPG-15 Masterpiece Rattrap. These images show that the pack peg on MP Primal will be used to affix Rattrap to his back. We even see that famous shot of them riding into action on Rhinox' back. We also see a shot of the Maximal team with Rattrap, which shows his scale. As with many of the previous Beast Wars MPs, the beast mode head on his chest in robot mode is a piece of fake kibble but it can be seen on the belly of the rat mode.

Here are the links to the Japanese sites which published these images:
https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810877554/
https://hobby.dengeki.com/news/2450885/

Interestingly, unlike the previous Beast Wars MPs that all used the naming convention of "Japanese name (Beast Wars)", this one isn't named "Rattle (Beast Wars)" but instead follows a naming convention similar to that of some of the G1 MPs, in that its name is "Cybertron Rattle".

He's pretty great, looking forward to getting him! At first I thought he had alternate red eyes for bot mode, but now I think he has a fake rat head that goes over the real one with just the ears poking out.

I love how they were able to articulate the tail without making it look like it's full of obvious joints or bendy.

Emerje

Nice, I'll gladly get it once it comes out. Can't stop smiling at the thought that Optimus Primal and Rattrap riding Rhinox are now an official Combiner due to the rodent being part of the "Gattai" line

Well, this is a surprise. Hasbro Pulse put up their order page for this figure, and they didn't call it "Rattrap". They've actually kept the Japanese name as is, calling the figure Transformers MPG-15 Cybertron Rattle

The entirety of the original Maximal team, now in MP form. You love to see it.

Emerje wrote:He's pretty great, looking forward to getting him! At first I thought he had alternate red eyes for bot mode, but now I think he has a fake rat head that goes over the real one with just the ears poking out.

I love how they were able to articulate the tail without making it look like it's full of obvious joints or bendy.

Emerje

Not only that, and I could be wrong on this, but looking closely at the rat mode's underbelly, I believe that's the fake rat head hiding in plain sight. If so, I'd say it's ingenious. I don't collect Beast Wars MPs, but I admire them from afar.

Before I take on Ginrai, I wanted to touch on Raiden.

I got an upgrade kit for him which completely replaces Kaen in the combined form while getting rid of a bunch of kibble and stabilizing him. It is cheating, but it has had a huge impact on him. while it doesn't solve all his problems, it does solve a bunch and allows my favorite trainbot to stand alone.





Which is good news to Kaen too, I love this little dumpy guy.




Now, onto Ginrai. I got the super version, and wow, he is nice. Simpler than I expected, but that is OK, he is actually fun to transform. also, he is super heavy, there is weight to him. I am greatly enjoying him so far.