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It's the End of the Road for the Masterpiece Line According to Takara Tomy

Posted by Emerje Apr 9, 2024 at 11:17pm CDT 94,732 views
The 40th anniversary of Transformers is bringing us a lot of big and new things, but one of the biggest staples of the franchise is coming to an end. With the release of MP-60 Ginrai, what they're calling the 100th MP figure when including certain special edition and limited releases they're calling it quits on the Masterpiece line as we know it. That's not to say we wont be getting anymore MPs at all, but the primary line that originated with MP-01 some 21 years ago will no longer Exist at the end of 2024. A blurb on the official website for MP-60 and MP-09 states that the line will continue with the MPG line moving forward. Whether this means all future MPs will be combiners of some sort or if the MPG line is being rebranded is currently unknown. What this might mean for the Masterpiece Movie line headed by Hasbro is also unknow, but probably wont be affected by this news, at least not outside of Japan. Until Takara Tomy clarifies further all we can do is speculate. Below you'll find the pertinent bit from the website as translated by Google.

Transformers News: It's the End of the Road for the Masterpiece Line According to Takara Tomy

With so many characters left undone it's hard to guess what the future might bring for the line. Thanks to Sabrblade in the Seibertron Energon Pub Forums for letting us know. And be sure to let us know how you feel about what may be sad news for many fans in the forums as well.

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Comment by Fires_Of_Inferno Apr 10, 2024
Well I hope it's just a rebranding because 2 Masterpiece Beast Wars Predacons is NOT enough! Especially since I decided to forgo getting any of the Maximals in order to focus on Predacons.
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Comment by Gauntlet101010 Apr 10, 2024
So they really left Blaster on the table after doing Nightstalker and Soundwave and now it's over? What, no Godbomber tease? Have they learned nothing from Star Saber?

Although I have to admit, the pricy nature and iffy quality led me to grab very few of these. Even resorted to a KO after hearing it's version of G1 Megatron has less paint scuffing issues than the real deal.

Ginrai is really tempting, though. He was my childhood Prime. They had one in Titans Return, but he was definitely NOT scratching that itch due to his vehicle mode size and not being a Powermaster. I guess, if you're gonna end the brand, ending on yet another version of Prime is fitting.
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Comment by whacko Apr 10, 2024
If Takara really does drop out of the Masterpiece figure game, then I have no reason to even look at their products again going forward. I'll give the MPG stuff a shot, but so far the figures from that line lack the quality and sculpt work I am looking for in a figure. I want something well engineered that looks good in a display shelf and not whatever those Trainbots were. MPG-9 looks... okay so far, but doesn't hold a candle to MP-44 or MP-10 when it comes to sculpt and the engineering looks downright basic so far.

Hopefully 3P companies will take this move as an opportunity to release better versions of older MP figures now that they won't be directly competing with Takara. DS9 looks like they've started down that road with their recently teased Sideswipe and Prowl figures but we'll see.
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Comment by ScottyP Apr 10, 2024
Lol 100th. They blew right past that awhile ago!
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Comment by Spider5800 Apr 10, 2024
Wording on this is very weird, but I'm guessing they're just continuing the line as MPG instead of just MP. Why they feel the need to do this, I have no idea, but no way they're just dropping the line and we never get an official MP Jazz or other Predacons.

If I'm being hopeful, maybe they're going with a new name because they're changing styles and rethinking how they're handling these figures going forward. Outside of the Beast Wars figures, I haven't really liked the style they're going for with these since MP-44. I hate the super-cartoony look, and the absurd panel-heavy transformations they've done on a lot of these to make it work. They look bad, they feel bad, and all the extra parts and stupid accessories they included rocketed up the price.

Go back to the style that already worked well from MP-10 onward, when this was arguably the best toyline in the game.
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Comment by Spider5800 Apr 10, 2024
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Although I have to admit, the pricy nature and iffy quality led me to grab very few of these. Even resorted to a KO after hearing it's version of G1 Megatron has less paint scuffing issues than the real deal.


Yeah, the QC on these has been iffy for a while. Wanted Hound, but he apparently breaks apart just due to normal transformation because they used garbage plastic (ironically making KO's the better version by default). MP-44 has the infamous knee issues. Tons of them have easily scratched paint. All this while charging 2-3 times what the earlier, often better figures cost.

Hopefully this shift to MPG is used as an opportunity for them to update how they handle these figures, because there's been a lot of crap MP's the past few years.
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Comment by Gauntlet101010 Apr 10, 2024
Spider5800 wrote: MP-44 has the infamous knee issues.

He does? He was too pricy and I already bought two MP Primes, so I skipped. I thought Roddy was the only one with bum knees (I haven't been paying attention, obviously). I picked one of mine up after years of standing there and his shins just stayed on the shelf. WTF, man? I picked up a loose one off TaoBao, but I was not amused (yes, it was the Japanese one). I haven't picked him up for a while, so who knows how he's doing?

Hot Rod is one of my faves so it was a big disappointment.
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Comment by Spider5800 Apr 10, 2024
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Spider5800 wrote: MP-44 has the infamous knee issues.

He does? He was too pricy and I already bought two MP Primes, so I skipped. I thought Roddy was the only one with bum knees (I haven't been paying attention, obviously). I picked one of mine up after years of standing there and his shins just stayed on the shelf. WTF, man? I picked up a loose one off TaoBao, but I was not amused (yes, it was the Japanese one). I haven't picked him up for a while, so who knows how he's doing?

Hot Rod is one of my faves so it was a big disappointment.


Oh yeah, he has this weird double knee with a loose floating part inside that can get caught in the ratchet and break. Absurdly common issue.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mp-44-general-fix-thread.1180965/

Their whole design philosophy with MPs since like 2019 has been bizarre to me. It all just feels like complexity for complexity's sake, not because it benefits the figures in any way.
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Comment by Sabrblade Apr 10, 2024
Gauntlet101010 wrote:What, no Godbomber tease? Have they learned nothing from Star Saber?
Godbomber is a combiner, so he would be perfectly eligible for the continuing MPG line, just as Super Ginrai is.
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Comment by AllNewSuperRobot Apr 10, 2024
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Well I hope it's just a rebranding because 2 Masterpiece Beast Wars Predacons is NOT enough! Especially since I decided to forgo getting any of the Maximals in order to focus on Predacons.



Exactly. They announce MP Rhinox after years of NOTHING and then pull this? Just finish the BW line! It's significantly closer than any other (non-movie) MP line. G1, they've dragging their heels on for 20 years. They literally could have finished every character that didn't require a license by now and chose not to.
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Comment by Spider5800 Apr 10, 2024
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Well I hope it's just a rebranding because 2 Masterpiece Beast Wars Predacons is NOT enough! Especially since I decided to forgo getting any of the Maximals in order to focus on Predacons.



Exactly. They announce MP Rhinox after years of NOTHING and then pull this? Just finish the BW line! It's significantly closer than any other (non-movie) MP line. G1, they've dragging their heels on for 20 years. They literally could have finished every character that didn't require a license by now and chose not to.


Haha, yeah, their choices for this line has been baffling. We don't even have the first 5 Maximals yet as they never made a Rattrap. It's only 5 characters! Still can't have a completed display!

Optimus Primal released in freaking 2016. It's been 7 years and we've only gotten 8 characters total from the show (plus Leo Prime I guess, if you count BW2). I can't imagine trying to stick with this line long enough to get the entire G1 cast. No wonder 3P has eaten Takara's lunch on this market.
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Comment by Sabrblade Apr 10, 2024
Spider5800 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Well I hope it's just a rebranding because 2 Masterpiece Beast Wars Predacons is NOT enough! Especially since I decided to forgo getting any of the Maximals in order to focus on Predacons.



Exactly. They announce MP Rhinox after years of NOTHING and then pull this? Just finish the BW line! It's significantly closer than any other (non-movie) MP line. G1, they've dragging their heels on for 20 years. They literally could have finished every character that didn't require a license by now and chose not to.


Haha, yeah, their choices for this line has been baffling. We don't even have the first 5 Maximals yet as they never made a Rattrap. It's only 5 characters.

Optimus Primal released in freaking 2016. It's been 7 years and we've only gotten 8 characters total from the show (plus Leo Prime I guess, if you count BW2). I can't imagine trying to stick with this line long enough to get the entire G1 cast.
It should probably be pointed out that all of the Beast Wars MPs are part of the same main MP line as the G1 characters, as Takara doesn't treat them as a separate line despite being from a different show. Likewise, Star Saber, Soundblaster, and Lio Convoy were all from different shows too, but they as well were part of the main MP line. And even the likes of Ultra Magnus and Rodimus were from what was considered a separate show in Japan (G1 season 3 was treated as a separate cartoon called Transformers: 2010), and they too were part of the main line. And with the inclusion of MP-60 Ginrai, the main Masterpiece line consists of characters from seven different Transformers series in Japan, but all are counted as part of the same single MP line because all of these characters are from the same single continuity/universe. And had the separate-universe character Armada Optimus won the fan vote that Star Saber won, he too would have been part of the main MP line and not a separate line.
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Comment by AllNewSuperRobot Apr 10, 2024
Spider5800 wrote:No wonder 3P has eaten Takara's lunch on this market.


Honestly, I think it's the opposite. HasTak have allowed the 3P market (for the most part) because they never had any intention of completing the Masterpiece line. At some point, perhaps around MP-10. I think the enormity (in scope and cost) of the task at hand must have become apparent. They just held up their hands and passed the buck to 3P's. While feigning disproval. Let 3P do Masterpiece Monsterbots, for example. Because Takara can't/won't.
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Comment by Emerje Apr 10, 2024
I'm still hoping MPG is being rebranded so the G stands for Generations instead of Gattai. Basically it would become a sibling line to the regular Generations line and explain doing strange things like making Raiden the size of a Generations combiner rather than proper MP scale. It would also open things up more to other brands since traditionally the regular MP line has always been G1 based (which includes G2 and Beast Wars). The specific use of "generation" in the blurb doesn't feel accidental. The Unicron trilogy is now at the point with its youngest fans that G1 was at with its youngest fans when the MP line started so it makes sense if they want to start doing Armada Masterpieces without having to come up with new labels and numbering systems every time.

That's my prediction anyway, I don't think strictly doing MPs that combine moving forward is reason enough to kill the MP line.

Emerje
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Comment by Sabrblade Apr 10, 2024
Emerje wrote:I'm still hoping MPG is being rebranded so the G stands for Generations instead of Gattai.
The G also stands for "Giant" and "Great".
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Comment by AllNewSuperRobot Apr 10, 2024
Ohh? Perhaps if 'G' becomes Generations we are moving the MP line away from Sunbow and into the other 30+ years of Transformers?
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Comment by Spider5800 Apr 10, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:It should probably be pointed out that all of the Beast Wars MPs are part of the same main MP line as the G1 characters, as Takara doesn't treat them as a separate line despite being from a different show. Likewise, Star Saber, Soundblaster, and Lio Convoy were all from different shows too, but they as well were part of the main MP line. And even the likes of Ultra Magnus and Rodimus were from what was considered a separate show in Japan (G1 season 3 was treated as a separate cartoon called Transformers: 2010), and they too were part of the main line. And with the inclusion of MP-60 Ginrai, the main Masterpiece line consists of characters from seven different Transformers series in Japan, but all are counted as part of the same single MP line because all of these characters are from the same single continuity/universe. And had the separate-universe character Armada Optimus won the fan vote that Star Saber won, he too would have been part of the main MP line and not a separate line.


I get that, but even with all the stuff they're pulling from, the line feels mismanaged. It's been over 20 years, and they still haven't finished the season 1 Autobots. Really think about that. A person born the year MP-1 came out can legally drink now, and there still isn't a full cast done. That's INSANE.

MP Dinobot came out in 2018, and then a two year wait for MP Tigatron, and then another FOUR years for MP Rhinox. That's absurd. People have quit collecting in that kind of timeframe.

I know it's a whole other beast, but Generations has been pulling from multiple continuities for years as well and never had this problem. Could get the entire BW S1 cast within 2 years. The lack of focus on the MP side is staggering.
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Comment by Emerje Apr 10, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:I'm still hoping MPG is being rebranded so the G stands for Generations instead of Gattai.
The G also stands for "Giant" and "Great".

Either way, it's been known as the combiner line, now it may be known as something else if they change what the G stands for.

Emerje
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Comment by Sabrblade Apr 10, 2024
Spider5800 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:It should probably be pointed out that all of the Beast Wars MPs are part of the same main MP line as the G1 characters, as Takara doesn't treat them as a separate line despite being from a different show. Likewise, Star Saber, Soundblaster, and Lio Convoy were all from different shows too, but they as well were part of the main MP line. And even the likes of Ultra Magnus and Rodimus were from what was considered a separate show in Japan (G1 season 3 was treated as a separate cartoon called Transformers: 2010), and they too were part of the main line. And with the inclusion of MP-60 Ginrai, the main Masterpiece line consists of characters from seven different Transformers series in Japan, but all are counted as part of the same single MP line because all of these characters are from the same single continuity/universe. And had the separate-universe character Armada Optimus won the fan vote that Star Saber won, he too would have been part of the main MP line and not a separate line.


I get that, but even with all the stuff they're pulling from, the line feels mismanaged. It's been over 20 years, and they still haven't finished the season 1 Autobots. Really think about that. A person born the year MP-1 came out can legally drink now, and there still isn't a full cast done. That's INSANE.

MP Dinobot came out in 2018, and then a two year wait for MP Tigatron, and then another FOUR years for MP Rhinox. That's absurd. People have quit collecting in that kind of timeframe.

I know it's a whole other beast, but Generations has been pulling from multiple continuities for years as well and never had this problem. Could get the entire BW S1 cast within 2 years. The lack of focus on the MP side is staggering.
Guess we can call it a testament of how poorly the MP line has sold over the years in Japan. Transformers is not as big in Japan as it is in the west, so it was always an uphill battle for the MP line to gain traction in the Japanese market (the line's primarily market). The number of new-mold MPs released each year has plummeted as the years have passed, with the bulk of releases each year being reuses of existing molds. 2022 and 2023 both saw only three new MPs released, and only one of those three each year was a new mold (Trailbreaker in 2022, Skyfire in 2023). This year we have five MPs, but only two are new molds and the rest are mold reuses.
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Comment by First-Aid Apr 10, 2024
Emerje wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:I'm still hoping MPG is being rebranded so the G stands for Generations instead of Gattai.
The G also stands for "Giant" and "Great".

Either way, it's been known as the combiner line, now it may be known as something else if they change what the G stands for.

Emerje


It also stands for Gastric. :-P
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