Paramount Approved How Bumblebee Should Have Ended Video featuring Jon Bailey

Jon's voice talents are insane! It's become almost impossible to tell his voice from Peter Cullen's. If Hasbro doesn't hand the reins over to him when Peter decides he's done, it would be a crime.

Wow, if I realized that fan works were newsworthy, I literally would have submitted this yesterday

That being said, this HISHE was awesome, I especially loved how Starscream’s design transferred to 2D, Shockwave on the other hand increased his thicc levels by at least 20%

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo This will make sense as soon as news reports it.

Just finished watching my copy of Bumblebee, loved it as much as I did in the theatre.

I've really fallen in love with the designs used in the movie. The Cybertron scenes are great live action FOC designs, and the Earth designs are great. I love Shatter and Dropkick, Decepticons done much better justice, and wholly original! Dropkick is unhinged and Shatter just oozes Decepticon when she speaks

Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days? As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF? Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES! Now please stop shoving it in our face. Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES. Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.


Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here? Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why is nobody bitching about this?

I dunno, maybe because we're all okay with gender equality and have better things to do than complain about it?

Ig89ninja wrote:Wow, if I realized that fan works were newsworthy, I literally would have submitted this yesterday

That being said, this HISHE was awesome, I especially loved how Starscream’s design transferred to 2D, Shockwave on the other hand increased his thicc levels by at least 20%

Fanwrok is not newsworthy but this was pushed by Paramount and features the same voice actor they picked for their film. If we news Christmas messages from the beast wars cast then newsing this too makes sense.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days?

We don't really ...

As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF?

I fail to see why this is a problem.

Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES!

Considering women have been subjugated for centuries, and continue to do so because a lot of young women are growing up without any strong female role models in media ... a lot of people care.

Just because you don't doesn't make it fact.

Now please stop shoving it in our face.

But it's okay for you to shove your opinion back? hmmmm....

Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES.

Yes and Barbie was aimed at girls, but hey, here's a shocker, boys play with them too!

You know what toys are for? A child's imagination. A boy could take a Barbie doll and pretend it's anything but a Barbie doll, just like a girl can take a Transformer and pretend it's something else as well. Honestly, what you just said is so narrow minded.

Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.

NO!
You know what's enough? YOU thinking you can come on these forums and sprout your bile.

Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here?

Because no one else sees it as an issue except for you apparently.

Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Clearly YOU care seeing as you just gave us your opinion.

You want a boom? Have a warning, go read the rules while you're at it.

^ You're the best, Burn.

Decepticon Stryker wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo This will make sense as soon as news reports it.

What news? If you have something to submit, send it in!

Hoping if Shockwave is to be used again, he sounds different be it the same voice actor or another.

Paramount approved. I was wondering why hishe didn’t take their usual sarcastic potshots in this video. Now I know.

That was an uncanny impression of Corey Burton's Ratchet, lol.

Burn wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days?

We don't really ...

As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF?

I fail to see why this is a problem.

Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES!

Considering women have been subjugated for centuries, and continue to do so because a lot of young women are growing up without any strong female role models in media ... a lot of people care.

Just because you don't doesn't make it fact.

Now please stop shoving it in our face.

But it's okay for you to shove your opinion back? hmmmm....

Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES.

Yes and Barbie was aimed at girls, but hey, here's a shocker, boys play with them too!

You know what toys are for? A child's imagination. A boy could take a Barbie doll and pretend it's anything but a Barbie doll, just like a girl can take a Transformer and pretend it's something else as well. Honestly, what you just said is so narrow minded.

Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.

NO!
You know what's enough? YOU thinking you can come on these forums and sprout your bile.

Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here?

Because no one else sees it as an issue except for you apparently.

Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Clearly YOU care seeing as you just gave us your opinion.

You want a boom? Have a warning, go read the rules while you're at it.

Thank you for this.

Burn wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days?

We don't really ...

As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF?

I fail to see why this is a problem.

Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES!

Considering women have been subjugated for centuries, and continue to do so because a lot of young women are growing up without any strong female role models in media ... a lot of people care.

Just because you don't doesn't make it fact.

Now please stop shoving it in our face.

But it's okay for you to shove your opinion back? hmmmm....

Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES.

Yes and Barbie was aimed at girls, but hey, here's a shocker, boys play with them too!

You know what toys are for? A child's imagination. A boy could take a Barbie doll and pretend it's anything but a Barbie doll, just like a girl can take a Transformer and pretend it's something else as well. Honestly, what you just said is so narrow minded.

Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.

NO!
You know what's enough? YOU thinking you can come on these forums and sprout your bile.

Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here?

Because no one else sees it as an issue except for you apparently.

Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Clearly YOU care seeing as you just gave us your opinion.

You want a boom? Have a warning, go read the rules while you're at it.

Dude he’s a troll. He jumps sites to start arguments because he gets off on it.


Guys. If you see MisfireAimless post just ignore it.


He’s got a rep on tfw2005 and here for starting arguments and then just watches. Just ignore him. Don’t reply, argue and counter what he says. Threads have had to be deleted due to him: just don’t fuel it

hausjam wrote:Paramount approved. I was wondering why hishe didn’t take their usual sarcastic potshots in this video. Now I know.

This.

Easily one of the weakest HISHE vids I've watched in a while.

Randomhero wrote:He’s got a rep on tfw2005 and here for starting arguments and then just watches. Just ignore him. Don’t reply, argue and counter what he says. Threads have had to be deleted due to him: just don’t fuel it

Yeah, he's on my ignore list

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:He’s got a rep on tfw2005 and here for starting arguments and then just watches. Just ignore him. Don’t reply, argue and counter what he says. Threads have had to be deleted due to him: just don’t fuel it

Yeah, he's on my ignore list

He’s bad. I don’t get it. I understand if you feel you have something to say but as long you keep it civil and make it a friendly debate which I can get behind but he just starts fires about any subject and for the Hell of it watches from a distance.

Aimless Misfire wrote:All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel

As a fan of all these franchises as well, I do not like the direction Disney is going with SW, but not because of female characters, its just because TLJ was a genuinely bad film. Captain Marvel was pretty meh...but not because its a female lead film, but because IMHO Brie Larson really isn't a great actress. Bumblebee on the other hand was a genuinely fun, and enjoyable movie. It isn't perfect, but there is very little to complain about. Hailee Steinfeld , John Cena & the supporting cast did very well.

If you take issue with some of the comments made by Christina Hodson, I would say, don't worry about it. It is a great movie because EVERYONE involved seemed to really care, regardless of gender.


Also I imagine in the near future Screen Junkies will likely do an Honest Trailer for Bumblebee (Voiced By Jon Bailey)...will it be newsed as well? ...actually thinking about it, they might not, since they actually like the film

o.supreme wrote:Also I imagine in the near future Screen Junkies will likely do an Honest Trailer for Bumblebee (Voiced By Jon Bailey)...will it be newsed as well? ...actually thinking about it, they might not, since they actually like the film

I guess this means Screenrant's Pitch Meeting for Bumblebee won't be newsed when it comes out, since Ryan George does those by himself.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also I imagine in the near future Screen Junkies will likely do an Honest Trailer for Bumblebee (Voiced By Jon Bailey)...will it be newsed as well? ...actually thinking about it, they might not, since they actually like the film

I guess this means Screenrant's Pitch Meeting for Bumblebee won't be newsed when it comes out, since Ryan George does those by himself.

Guys, as I wrote above, the reason this was newsed was because it was Officially sponsored by paramount, making this an extension of Bumblebee's official marketting campaign so it is newsed as any other official marketting is newsed.

If there are no official ties, it stays on the boards like everything else.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo This will make sense as soon as news reports it.

What news? If you have something to submit, send it in!

Probably referring to this:

https://www.slashfilm.com/lorenzo-di-bo ... terview/3/

For the next Transformers are you looking for new directors or hoping you can still make Michael Bay an offer?

I think Bay has made it really clear that he loved what he did and he’s not doing anymore. So I think the answer is we’re writing a script. At that point, once we get script we have a strong belief in, then we’ll begin to debate that. Michael’s made it really clear that he didn’t want to do it. I don’t blame him. He spent a hell of a lot, a decade of his life, shooting them.


Are you developing a script that picks up where The Last Knight left off?

No.

o.supreme wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo This will make sense as soon as news reports it.

What news? If you have something to submit, send it in!

Probably referring to this:

https://www.slashfilm.com/lorenzo-di-bo ... terview/3/

For the next Transformers are you looking for new directors or hoping you can still make Michael Bay an offer?

I think Bay has made it really clear that he loved what he did and he’s not doing anymore. So I think the answer is we’re writing a script. At that point, once we get script we have a strong belief in, then we’ll begin to debate that. Michael’s made it really clear that he didn’t want to do it. I don’t blame him. He spent a hell of a lot, a decade of his life, shooting them.


Are you developing a script that picks up where The Last Knight left off?

No.

People are jumping to conclusions again. All that is said is they are not picking up where the previous one left off, which we reported multiple times. Doesn't mean Bayverse is dead or anything like that, just that they wont follow up on the Unicron thing. Its still a Transformers sequel and another addition to the existing franchise.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also I imagine in the near future Screen Junkies will likely do an Honest Trailer for Bumblebee (Voiced By Jon Bailey)...will it be newsed as well? ...actually thinking about it, they might not, since they actually like the film

I guess this means Screenrant's Pitch Meeting for Bumblebee won't be newsed when it comes out, since Ryan George does those by himself.

Guys, as I wrote above, the reason this was newsed was because it was Officially sponsored by paramount, making this an extension of Bumblebee's official marketting campaign so it is newsed as any other official marketting is newsed.

If there are no official ties, it stays on the boards like everything else.

I guess it’s just too hard for people to read the titles or description that clearly stated “Hasbro backed this”

You don’t understand how this is news? That’s fine I don’t understand people in their 30s and 40s can nitpick and tear a toy apart and act like they can do better with the same budget

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also I imagine in the near future Screen Junkies will likely do an Honest Trailer for Bumblebee (Voiced By Jon Bailey)...will it be newsed as well? ...actually thinking about it, they might not, since they actually like the film

I guess this means Screenrant's Pitch Meeting for Bumblebee won't be newsed when it comes out, since Ryan George does those by himself.

Guys, as I wrote above, the reason this was newsed was because it was Officially sponsored by paramount, making this an extension of Bumblebee's official marketting campaign so it is newsed as any other official marketting is newsed.

If there are no official ties, it stays on the boards like everything else.

I guess it’s just too hard for people to read the titles or description that clearly stated “Hasbro backed this”

Or...some people don't know how to have a bit of fun.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo This will make sense as soon as news reports it.

What news? If you have something to submit, send it in!

Probably referring to this:

https://www.slashfilm.com/lorenzo-di-bo ... terview/3/

For the next Transformers are you looking for new directors or hoping you can still make Michael Bay an offer?

I think Bay has made it really clear that he loved what he did and he’s not doing anymore. So I think the answer is we’re writing a script. At that point, once we get script we have a strong belief in, then we’ll begin to debate that. Michael’s made it really clear that he didn’t want to do it. I don’t blame him. He spent a hell of a lot, a decade of his life, shooting them.


Are you developing a script that picks up where The Last Knight left off?

No.

People are jumping to conclusions again. All that is said is they are not picking up where the previous one left off, which we reported multiple times. Doesn't mean Bayverse is dead or anything like that, just that they wont follow up on the Unicron thing. Its still a Transformers sequel and another addition to the existing franchise.

No no no, I meant that Bay isn't directing in the franchise anymore. I don't really care if the Bayverse/Movieverse continues or not.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days? As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF? Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES! Now please stop shoving it in our face. Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES. Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.


Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here? Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Hailee Steinfeld wasn't signed on for the role just because she was a female,they made her the main character because of her performance in the movie Just Past 17. That was a coming of age story, and so is Bumblebee so they saw her as a perfect fit. Also, I guess Paramount may have decided to make a Strong Female lead, after the previous movies treated women like sex objects.I mean in the first one the objectification of women wasn't super bad but in subsequent movies, especially RoTF yeeaahh... Anyway I think it was a good choice.

Decepticon Stryker wrote:^ You're the best, Burn.

You gotta love that guy.

Aimless Misfire wrote: Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES.

Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES kids.

Decepticon Stryker wrote:No no no, I meant that Bay isn't directing in the franchise anymore. I don't really care if the Bayverse/Movieverse continues or not.

I see, yeah that could be good. My only problem is that a story about Bay saying "no more TF films" is the most non-news ever. It doesn't mean anything anymore. And this is not even coming from him.

Bun-Bun wrote:

hausjam wrote:Paramount approved. I was wondering why hishe didn’t take their usual sarcastic potshots in this video. Now I know.

This.

Easily one of the weakest HISHE vids I've watched in a while.

Really? I quite like it, just as much as all the other HISHEs

What's Crackin'? wrote:

Decepticon Stryker wrote:^ You're the best, Burn.

You gotta love that guy.

Burn needs to be the next Prime. He deserves it more than Hot Rod ever did

LOL@Optimus: "I transformed into the enemy..." That guy can think of anything to get out of tight spot.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days? As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF? Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES! Now please stop shoving it in our face. Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES. Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.


Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here? Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

I know we should ignore and move on, but this really, really bothers me. Why? Because not to terribly long ago, it would have been me. Sometimes looking in a mirror, even if the objects aren't as close as they appear, can really suck. Having kids changed me, and my outlooks, quite a bit, and I struggle every day to make sure I'm showing them a proper example of how to human. I fail quite a bit, but I still keep trying. The quoted post? A perfect example of how to damage your kids with toxic attitudes.

Amusing enough vid. I think I've only seen the one for ROTF before, so I guess I should take in the rest soon.

So Paramount sponsoring this makes its, um, "officialness" about equal to that of the Mosaics Hasbro approved? That's the only comparable example that springs to mind.

What's Crackin'? wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Why do they have to push "FEMALE" on everything these days? As if women are something new & never existed before now. We're here with FEMALE mechanics & I love writing FEMALE characters & it's about time Transformers had a FEMALE lead. WTF? Ok, feminists & SJW's, we get it, women can do stuff. Newsflash: NOBODY CARES! Now please stop shoving it in our face. Transformers is a BOYS toy line, it was originally for MALES. Now piss off & go back to where you belong & make a Strawberry Shortcake or Rainbow Brite movie for FEMALES. Jeez, enough is enough.


Why is nobody bitching about this? All you see is everybody bitching about SJW Star Wars & Captain Marvel but Bumblebee gets a free pass? Why is nobody talking about women pushing their BS here? Who cares if a male or female is a mechanic? Seriously! It doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vagina to fix cars. This world is getting more ridiculous & insane by the hour.

Hailee Steinfeld wasn't signed on for the role just because she was a female,they made her the main character because of her performance in the movie Just Past 17. That was a coming of age story, and so is Bumblebee so they saw her as a perfect fit. Also, I guess Paramount may have decided to make a Strong Female lead, after the previous movies treated women like sex objects.I mean in the first one the objectification of women wasn't super bad but in subsequent movies, especially RoTF yeeaahh... Anyway I think it was a good choice.

It's actually called The Edge of Seventeen. Great movie. Outstanding acting from Hailee Steinfeld.

HISHD Is a HEE-UUUGE parody channel with millions of subs. Plus the parody come out only when the DVD/BD is out or about to. So no sane studios would be against all that free promotion.

Plus those skits are on point 99% of the time and are pretty funny.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Dat rant

I know we should ignore and move on, but this really, really bothers me. Why? Because not to terribly long ago, it would have been me. Sometimes looking in a mirror, even if the objects aren't as close as they appear, can really suck. Having kids changed me, and my outlooks, quite a bit, and I struggle every day to make sure I'm showing them a proper example of how to human. I fail quite a bit, but I still keep trying. The quoted post? A perfect example of how to damage your kids with toxic attitudes.

I agree with Aimless about there is no need to put the "wow a female lead" in the forefront as if it's something incredible. But really not for the same reasons at all, despite hating SJWs myself. Because a female hero is certainly not a new thing and making this as something "unique" and "extraordinary" is ironically demeaning and condescending to girls and women.

Charlie Watson is also the best main human character in the movieverse. I'd take 10 of her over one Sam Witwiky any days. We see Charlie actually grow and become better as a person in the movie and it show how well her character is written.

Aimless Misfire wrote:rant

Because, believe me, I was skeptical with Transformers casting a female (human) lesd after five movies of Michal 'TESTOSTERONE AND EXPLOSIONS' Bay. This is coming from a guy who will probably get flak here for thinking Rey is a personality-less pile of wet cardboard and that Ghostbuster 2016 is an abomination. Bumblebee was a movie I was extremely skeptical of for many, many reasons beyond just the lead such as being a comparatively low-key production, coming out after the disastrous TLK or being a movie about the serie mascot that seemingly nobody but kids like.

While I get that its advantageous for Hollywood's more intense ideologues to go 'Hah see, the one good Transformers movie had a WOMAN as one of the lead' the reality is, if they choose to focus purely on this going forward for the next movie they will utterly fail and end up with a massive flop. Bumblebee worked because Charlie had an actual character and in today's era its rather shocking to me how surprisingly little of unwanted political bullshit it had. It was a good enough movie and Charlie was a good enough, likeable character who wasn't the kind of character people have come to loathe.

But if going forward the marketting and movie writers actively go and push LOOK WE GOT A FEMALE LEAD AND ELITA-1 IS REPLACING OPTIMUS AND MEGATRON HAS VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP or some moronic bullshit like this which end up with fans being attacked like fans of Star Wars got attacked when they pointed out how Rian Johnson and the creative team fucked up the franchise? Yeah, it will fail.

So, tl;dr: Charlie was fine and she worked because she was written as an actual character in a Transformers movie. Bumblebee won fans over because it finally understood the source material and it finally had an actual heart to the story not because we had a girl instead of a spasming Shia Lebeouf or Mark Whalberg. Any future marketing trying to pretend the movie did good because of a female lead would be disingenuous agenda bullshit from Hollywood and would only harm their numbers in the long run because that wasn't the element that improved Bumblebee over all previous movies.

Is that a fair way to put it?

A perfectly fair way to put it. That's also why I refuse to pay money to go see Captain Marvel in theatre. The movie itself is just average and it would have been okay to see in theater. But Disney and Brie Larson made SURE to make the worst marketing campaing ever and push away the average joe who is fed up with identity politic bull.

"Get woke go broke" is now more relevant than ever. Bee movie NEVER used the "woke" angle in their marketing and the female MC was not a marie-sue nor a "man in a girl body". Thus, the movie's great succes and fans clamoring for more.

I love this pic. To everyone thinking nothing good TF related could come from Bay, well this is from the Bumblebee credits:



And are people still thinking a Transformers film that is literally a Bay Film is not part of Bayverse?

william-james88 wrote:And are people still thinking a Transformers film that is literally a Bay Film is not part of Bayverse?

Well, there's still a "soft reboot" vibe to the Bee movie simply because for once, it was a REAL movie. Not a chain of tits-farts-explosion followed by where-the-hell-is-this-story-going.

There's also the cybertronian designs that is 90% classic instead of metal-shards-tornadoes. No wonder even though it is officially a Bayverse movie, Bee feel like it's own separate Universe.
It's a headcanon that most people (I think) agree with.

Bay was involved but its clear his influences was minimal. I'd be tempted to also mention that Orci and Kurzman are gone would also be a good indicator that something change but they were involved with Prime which was good so clearly a sizable portion of the problem must be with Bay himself.

But who knows for sure what influence he TRULY had on the first five movies?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, there's still a "soft reboot" vibe to the Bee movie simply because for once, it was a REAL movie. Not a chain of tits-farts-explosion followed by where-the-hell-is-this-story-going.

Any time someone uses the word "real" to describe something, they invalidate their point.

A movie is a movie, a fan is a fan, blah blah blah. There's no varying levels.

Skritz wrote:Bay was involved but its clear his influences was minimal. I'd be tempted to also mention that Orci and Kurzman are gone would also be a good indicator that something change but they were involved with Prime which was good so clearly a sizable portion of the problem must be with Bay himself.

But who knows for sure what influence he TRULY had on the first five movies?

Bay's involvement was more in terms of helping with assets and helping get the movie made. Nothing creative.
And Orci and Kurtzman havent been around for 4 movies now, I think.

delete

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, there's still a "soft reboot" vibe to the Bee movie simply because for once, it was a REAL movie. Not a chain of tits-farts-explosion followed by where-the-hell-is-this-story-going.

Any time someone uses the word "real" to describe something, they invalidate their point.

A movie is a movie, a fan is a fan, blah blah blah. There's no varying levels.

Well, I should have said "real".

We have a nice interview for you from Travis Knight, the director of Bumblebee, where he explains why Bumblebee and Charlie had to part ways at the end. He reinforces the stand alone nature of his Bumblebee movie.
The interview comes from Comicbook.com (who once again misses the mark with its headline, a trend with Transformers news).

“[The movie] had a beginning, it had a middle and an end and it had proper resolution. And so as I was charting the relationship between these two character there was no other way for it to end. It had to end with them parting.

It’s about one of those relationships, one of those life changing relationships that where someone comes into your orbit and fundamentally changes your trajectory moving forward. And it was, he has his mission to do and he has to go do it and she has her life and she has to live and she has to go live it. And they change each others lives, but then they had to part and that was the story that I was telling.

And so even though I love seeing them together, and I was sad when they had to part as well. It was critical for what this movie was.”

“I’m sure a creative mind could come up with a way to bring them back together, but it was always incredibly important to me that this film, even though it sits within a larger context of mythology and comics and cartoons and films, that this film be self contained that it lives on its own.”

Simple answer. "We still wanted it to end like a prequel just in case."

omega666 wrote:Simple answer. "We still wanted it to end like a prequel just in case."

I mean, I am sure that was a factor, but I was saying the same thing the Director did when this came out. Them splitting up was just a natural fit to the morale of thr story. Charlie's whole arc was built on her not getting closure with her Dad's passing. Bee gave her a way to bridge that so she could move on.

Meh, pretty blah explanation. I don't think they really had a plan so they made it a stand alone for merchandising.