Transformers: Fall of Cybertron Optimus Prime Redesign Video

Iron Prime wrote:

Varia31 wrote:You know what melee system would be awesome? That is if it could work... War Hammer 40k Space Marine's system.

That is a great system. It wouldn't even have to be fatalities either. Maybe a transformation based attack that did more damage? Like Grimlock tossing someone in the air, and transforming, and then catching them in his jaws....

I'll go with that 100%. I like the way Space Marine's combat system is set up where you can either use your chain sword or blast 'em at range. Working the combos in would be bonus and a "fatality-like" move could make things interesting.

Megatron: punches into the chest of an Autobot with his mace, change it up, and blast through with his cannon.
Optimus: head butt the opponent, knocking them back, then whipping out the axe and cleaving them horizontally or vertically
Shockwave: kick the Bot back, blast off both legs, then walk up and bash their face in.
Starscream: fake an injury, slip around the bot when it moves in, and stabs them in the back with energon swords, ripping them apart...

...etc, etc...

the legs are way to bulky, how the hell is he even able to move around with legs that fat? the rest looks good though really like the new alt mode.

First-Aid wrote:

Iron Prime wrote:

Varia31 wrote:You know what melee system would be awesome? That is if it could work... War Hammer 40k Space Marine's system.

That is a great system. It wouldn't even have to be fatalities either. Maybe a transformation based attack that did more damage? Like Grimlock tossing someone in the air, and transforming, and then catching them in his jaws....

I'll go with that 100%. I like the way Space Marine's combat system is set up where you can either use your chain sword or blast 'em at range. Working the combos in would be bonus and a "fatality-like" move could make things interesting.

Megatron: punches into the chest of an Autobot with his mace, change it up, and blast through with his cannon.
Optimus: head butt the opponent, knocking them back, then whipping out the axe and cleaving them horizontally or vertically
Shockwave: kick the Bot back, blast off both legs, then walk up and bash their face in.
Starscream: fake an injury, slip around the bot when it moves in, and stabs them in the back with energon swords, ripping them apart...

...etc, etc...

That would be cool, like chaining together the shots point blank with punches or melee weapons to perform combos, then the "fatality-like move" being just more of a finisher to end the combo, it kills the enemy, and offers satisfaction with making the kill. I would think a way to counter melee attacks would be good though, that way you aren't helpless the second some starts to slice into you. Like swinging when someone else swings being a way to block, the one who gets the hit the one who dishes out the combos quicker. Or just do a simple three hit combo like RoTF and a few advanced attacks like the one mentioned about Grimlock.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I dont think we need any non-user interactions like finishing moves. That just slows down gameplay for an animation that will get boring after the 10th time watching. I am, however, all for chaining actions, like someone mentioned, with grimlock throwing enemies up in the air either to hit them with his tail, transform and impale, or maybe charge at in alt. mode.
But nothing that has you hold down a button and wait for a few seconds to resume playing. Thats just boring.

I favor fatalities myself, I find them to be fun to use, because executing an enemy to me is almost a sense of domination when making the kill. I was very satisfied with Section 8 Prejudice in that regard, because even though it's the same animation for front, behind, or if you're in a mech, stabbing someone in the throat or shooting someone point blank after picking them up never ceased to amuse me, and it still does. Maybe some of the stuff mentioned above would be the better choice though. To each his own opinion...

please god. make more wfc and foc toys

I would like to preface this post with this: I realize this is all beta and this is by no means the finished product of Optimus, I do sincerely get that. With that said, on with the post.

I see the direction they're going in, I get the "fist with wheels" image they had in the conceptualization, but as it stands currently, I'm not impressed. I realize there's more work to be done, I just hope that work's for the better.

I much prefer WFC Optimus who was streamlined (as they said in the video).

This one's a bit too boxy, too big. I liked that the first one had enough bulk, but still thin and streamlined enough to be capable.

I realize they're striving for a G1-esque design and that's cool, I have no problem with it. However, I'm used to the Masterpiece and the Bayverse Primes and I much prefer something that looks humanoid, yet robotic. This guy looks like a walking box with a bad attitude.

More tweaks are needed for him to be a winner in my book. If that's the design they're going for, so be it. I can like everything around him.

After watching the video of Optimus's new new look I think its growing on me. I loved the WFC design, but this one looks pretty awesome as well, especially the vehicle mode. Can't wait to see the final version in motion. Still hoping they do a PC release for this like they did WFC. I'm also kind of blown away still that they are doing pre-orders over a year in advance... I had gotten excited at first because I saw December and the 2012 part didn't register till the second read. Hopefully in that time they will decide there is enough market demand for PC.

Autobot032 wrote:I would like to preface this post with this: I realize this is all beta and this is by no means the finished product of Optimus, I do sincerely get that. With that said, on with the post.

I see the direction they're going in, I get the "fist with wheels" image they had in the conceptualization, but as it stands currently, I'm not impressed. I realize there's more work to be done, I just hope that work's for the better.

I much prefer WFC Optimus who was streamlined (as they said in the video).

This one's a bit too boxy, too big. I liked that the first one had enough bulk, but still thin and streamlined enough to be capable.

I realize they're striving for a G1-esque design and that's cool, I have no problem with it. However, I'm used to the Masterpiece and the Bayverse Primes and I much prefer something that looks humanoid, yet robotic. This guy looks like a walking box with a bad attitude.

More tweaks are needed for him to be a winner in my book. If that's the design they're going for, so be it. I can like everything around him.

My thoughts exactly.I know this isn't the final product, and I'm hoping the final design is something better. I like the new modelling techniques they're using, but I think they could have just applied them to the WfC designs.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

starscream2222 wrote:I am renewing my Xbox Live Gold membership soon and havent played WFC online in a while.
So I was wondering how many people play online still?

I still play WFC on PC and DOTM on Xbox... for what its worth to know.

Ok cool, whats your Gamertag? Mine is XxDESTRON22xX

Shadowman wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:I would like to preface this post with this: I realize this is all beta and this is by no means the finished product of Optimus, I do sincerely get that. With that said, on with the post.

I see the direction they're going in, I get the "fist with wheels" image they had in the conceptualization, but as it stands currently, I'm not impressed. I realize there's more work to be done, I just hope that work's for the better.

I much prefer WFC Optimus who was streamlined (as they said in the video).

This one's a bit too boxy, too big. I liked that the first one had enough bulk, but still thin and streamlined enough to be capable.

I realize they're striving for a G1-esque design and that's cool, I have no problem with it. However, I'm used to the Masterpiece and the Bayverse Primes and I much prefer something that looks humanoid, yet robotic. This guy looks like a walking box with a bad attitude.

More tweaks are needed for him to be a winner in my book. If that's the design they're going for, so be it. I can like everything around him.

My thoughts exactly.I know this isn't the final product, and I'm hoping the final design is something better. I like the new modelling techniques they're using, but I think they could have just applied them to the WfC designs.

I'm also not a big fan of the redesign, but I can live with it. It just keeps reminding me of Armada/Cybertron/etc. Prime with the big limbs.

I wouldn't say they're using different modelling techniques...I mean, regardless of technique, the end model is usually the same, what I gathered was that these are higher quality in-game models due to engine upgrades (ie higher poly and better / more textures and effects. For example, I was surprised to find out that they only used two diffuse maps for Warpath's body in DoTM, and one was the treads while everything else is in the other map; the third map, if you're curious, is an alpha for the optic glow).

Tread Diffuse
Body diffuse
Optic alpha

Glad I'm not the only one who prefers WFC OP's more streamlined design.