First Images of Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Optimus Prime, Sideswipe, Battle Master Firedrive #HasbroSDCC

Lol, I just saw all the pics. Appaently, their idea of "Cybertronian" modes is just earth modes with some weird exhaust ports at certain areas. Anyways, I was right on it being called Seige.

Ohhhhhhhhh I sure do love the emphasis of weapon names in the product descriptions.

And target masters on their own? I guess I did always wanted Hasbro to make weapon packs for characters to wield.

Im hoping those extra battle damage details are real cause ill pay 5 extra dollars for a better paint job

Optimus looks alright his robot mode is great

Sideswipe looks fine

I hope firedrive comes with more to him cause $6 is a lot for just the robot

if you look at the back of optimus primes art you can see hound, wheeljack, sideswipe and ironhide.

Duo-Charge Electrostatic Photon Cannon

what the f*ck?

In all seriousness though, these look alright, not really as "cybertronian" as I may like, but I can deal with it.

Very interesting. Can't wait to see more.

Optimus' vehicle mode doesn't look that good to me, but I do like the robot mode. Sideswipe looks good all round, but I doubt I'll get him. I look forward to seeing what other Battle Masters we get.

Huh, not so much Cybertronian as it is fancy earth modes. Optimus looks pretty good but those upper head lights above the windshield kinda kill the vehicle mode for me.

Is that one of the Takara Targetmasters? Gotta say, these look really good, especially Sideswipe.

Oooo! Finally, a fairly cartoon-accurate Optimus Prime for the CHUG shelf! The old deluxe wasn't cutting it anymore, and everything else was so gimmicky. (It's fun that my favourite Transformer also happens to be arguably the most famous/popular one -- the toys keep rolling out.)

The truck mode though...



Sideswipe also looks pretty cool.

Don't think I like the "wear" effect very much though.

william-james88 wrote:Lol, I just saw all the pics. Appaently, their idea of "Cybertronian" modes is just earth modes with some weird exhaust ports at certain areas. Anyways, I was right on it being called Seige.

I was thinking the same thing, it's basically post-movie "futuristic" updates to the pre-movie cast. Not exactly the hover cars we were expecting. I suppose we could still see flying triangles, I think Warden mentioned wanting to do those once.

Highbrowseyebrows wrote:Im hoping those extra battle damage details are real cause ill pay 5 extra dollars for a better paint job

Warden said at Toy Fair that there wouldn't be stickers and they were going for something new and gritty with this line. Expect a lot of dry brushing and paint washes.

But the real news here is it seems like we might FINALLY get our Autobot Targetmasters, shame they probably wont come packed with their partners. Firedrive is Hasbro's new name for Firebolt, Hot Rod's Targetmaster partner in G1. And no, these are not the same as Takara Tomy's Legends Targetmasters, those had knees, these don't.

Also looks like they're doing the same numbering system they're doing with Studio Series. Battle Master Firedrive is WFC-S1, Deluxe Sideswipe is WFC-S10 and Optimus is WFC-S11. "S" probably stands for Seige, should be interesting to see if the numbers continue in the 2020 line with just the letter changed. I'm thinking S1-S3 are Battle Masters, S4-S6 are Legends, S7-S10 are Deluxe, S11 and S12 are Voyagers, and S13 and S14 are Leaders.

Emerje

I betcha they’ll release the Targemaster bulks of old as Deluxes, and then sell their respective partners as Battle Masters. It’s the smartest, most diabolical thing ever and I can’t help but be impressed by it.

Sideswipe looks good but I already have Universe (2008) and I adore it.

Optimus, I want to like but something about his truck mode doesn’t sit right with me. Maybe in-hand images and not renders will look better.

The line looks promising, yet must they jump the prices up like they did with Studio Series?

I really am not a fan of that battle damage, but I will wait to pass my judgement on it until we see the actual figures.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is that one of the Takara Targetmasters? Gotta say, these look really good, especially Sideswipe.

It looks so very similar in terms of design, aesthetic, and engineering, but the details don't seem to match up quite with any of the Takara Targetmasters from Legends, not even Firebolt. It's very CLOSE to Firebolt, but with some aspects either remolded or new detailing added to the sculpt.

That Optimus Prime looks great...in robot mode. I think he will be my new definitive Optimus Prime for my Classics shelf (Sorry, Cloud Optimus Prime). I do wish he didn't come with all that "battle damage" deco, but I'll manage. Maybe there will be a special edition release with "clean" paint apps later on down the road. The alt mode is recognizable as Optimus Prime's G1 truck, but with some weird extras, like the stuff on his cab roof. It's not at all ideal, but as you don't see much of that "extra" stuff translated over into robot mode, it's acceptable. Now I'm hoping for a good G1 Voyager Megatron to match.

Sideswipe looks VERY good too, but I don't know if I want to start replacing my Classics figures with "Cybertronian" versions, with the exception of Optimus Prime, as stated above, because we've been waiting over a decade for one that looks this good in robot mode.

I'm perfectly happy to collect a bunch of those "Battle Masters" if they are at the $5-6 price point still. Looks like War for Cybertron: Siege will at least allow me to be a little choosey. It would be nice NOT to feel compelled to collect an entire line for character completeness for once.

Wolfman Jake wrote:That Optimus Prime looks great...in robot mode. I think he will be my new definitive Optimus Prime for my Classics shelf (Sorry, Cloud Optimus Prime). I do wish he didn't come with all that "battle damage" deco, but I'll manage. Maybe there will be a special edition release with "clean" paint apps later on down the road. The alt mode is recognizable as Optimus Prime's G1 truck, but with some weird extras, like the stuff on his cab roof. It's not at all ideal, but as you don't see much of that "extra" stuff translated over into robot mode, it's acceptable. Now I'm hoping for a good G1 Voyager Megatron to match.

Too bad that Takara doesn't do its own thing with the CHUG line anymore.. maybe they would have retooled Optimus Prime into a more cartoon-accurate truck. (Like with Powermaster and Ginrai.) But oh well.

They all look good, but to earthly for a supposedly cybertronian look. Probably gonna pick them up still.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is that one of the Takara Targetmasters? Gotta say, these look really good, especially Sideswipe.

It looks so very similar in terms of design, aesthetic, and engineering, but the details don't seem to match up quite with any of the Takara Targetmasters from Legends, not even Firebolt. It's very CLOSE to Firebolt, but with some aspects either remolded or new detailing added to the sculpt.

100% new molds. They're much simpler than Takara Tomy's including lacking knees. Judging by the size compared to Sideswipe and Prime they're probably about the same size as a Decoy Armor.

Emerje

Well I'm liking the worn look of some (presumably) paint apps, but I don't care for the toys designs. Sideswipe's car form looks kinda neat but the robot mode is uninspired boring old blocky Sideswipe that I was already really tired of even back with my original G1 toy (I only kept it cos the Lambo mode) and looks extremely generic for an Autobot car robot. Prime looks alright in robot mode but that truck might actually be one of my least fave truck modes of any Optimus Prime figure ever. I find it really ugly. Longer smokestacks might have looked nicer in both modes than the stubby ones he has. I might pick that figure up for robot mode if I ever find it cheap. Maybe.

I find it kinda amusing to have firing effect pieces on a targetmaster gun since I kinda already did a similar concept with my Firebolt custom a couple years ago.

Interesting.... I actually like Primes alt mode. No trailer though?.... sideswipe looks awesome!. Definitely gonna bite on the targetmasters....

Looks like we might have a strong focus on weapon customization... Which... <sarcasm>is my favorite part of Transformers toys</sarcasm>.

Oh dear. The Targetmasters are pretty much the same as Takara's but without knees (or a waist swivel), Prime's truck mode is an unholy mess and he has worse arm kibble than the Classics Voyager, and worst of all, we'll be getting bad customs tier paintjobs as standard.

Wonderful.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Lol, I just saw all the pics. Appaently, their idea of "Cybertronian" modes is just earth modes with some weird exhaust ports at certain areas. Anyways, I was right on it being called Seige.

I was thinking the same thing, it's basically post-movie "futuristic" updates to the pre-movie cast. Not exactly the hover cars we were expecting. I suppose we could still see flying triangles, I think Warden mentioned wanting to do those once.

What if the "War for Cybertron" trilogy is actually a continuation of the G1 cartoon story? E.g., it takes place after "The Rebirth"/Season 4. Cybertron is restored to its former glory, and now the Decepticons want it back more than ever. The fight has completely moved away from Earth, so now the Autobots and Decepticons are adopting more appropriately Cybertronian and battle-ready alt modes for their "new" battlefield. It makes sense for Optimus to be back, and perhaps some other G1 characters will be revived too in new forms (or they'll just side-step all of those deaths in the movie altogether). This first part, the "Siege," may be the Decepticon's initial first strike against the Autobots in the recently restored Cybertron.

Oh boy another G1 sub toyline. Its not like the last 3-4 toylines have been all G1 Toys.

Stop ignoring Beast Wars Hasbro.

Black Hat wrote:he has worse arm kibble than the Classics Voyager,

Dunno if I agree with that. It's fairly tidy in comparison to those huge almost flappy wing like things on Classics Prime. Could be better but heck i dunno...

These look pretty sweet to me. Im not quite understanding all the complaints as they look basically standard Generations we been getting. Awesome we gonna get some more targetmasters, really like my Legends ones. Kinda lame if these dont have knees and such. I cant wait to see that new Impactor with battle damage. As long as they keep it minimal like these I think it will look good. But Impactor deffo needs some battle damage.

Well, that Optimus look pretty bad. Unless on clearance , I might skip it. That Sideswipe though is just PERFECT. As for the prices, I called it. The Generations line will be set at the Movie level after PotP. It had to happen sooner or later. Production cost rise and if we don't want cost cutting measure like what happen on FoC Jazz and still have great figures, we have to bite the bullet and pay the price.

Now these are...interesting, was hoping for less earth inspired alts but c'est la vie. The target masters look interesting and I'm ashamedly loving the plastic effect parts.

Amelie wrote:
I also want to see something other than Season 1&2&Movie characters..

Me too. Oh me too. Because WAY too much characters get ignored. We got some in Titan Return and we got some Pretender love in PotP (plus Abobinus) but there's so much more characters to tap into. Also, why not bring back some of those Japan exclusive like Victory Saber?

We’re amost certainly going to be seeing a Wheeljack, and a Bumblebee would shock no one. BUT my worry is Hasbro is going to be lame and not give us the Cybertronian altmodes for Jacks and Bee we saw in the very beginning of the 84 cartoon.

I’m afraid they’ll just make their earth altmodes slightly wonky and call it good at that. Come on Hasbro you’ve got the source material!

Individual Targetmasters AND a new Generations Sideswipe?! This is everything I've been wanting.

Well that Optimus is essentially what I wanted, he looks great! The truck is interesting looking to me, a bit different - I like it. I'll agree I'm a bit mixed on the battle damage deco but I'll wait to see it in hand. I have to disagree with Black Hat though, his arm kibble looks far more compact and out of the way than Classics Prime, those were like wings on his arms. I'm definitely getting this guy when he comes out, there's definitely a good chance he'll replace Classics Prime and be able to face off against PotP Nemesis on my shelf.

EDIT: Forgot to say it, no intrusive gimmicks on these guys! I like the idea of Targetmasters as a gimmick because it's not going to force awful transformations like PotP Starscream. I love it.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Sideswipe's car form looks kinda neat but the robot mode is uninspired boring old blocky Sideswipe that I was already really tired of even back with my original G1 toy (I only kept it cos the Lambo mode) and looks extremely generic for an Autobot car robot.

It's a standard Sideswipe aka the king of generic designs and personality in the Transformers Franchise


There isn't really anything that anyone can do to make that design interesting. (Besides the missile pod that he sometimes has which is the only thing that makes Sideswipe standout among other red sport car Autobots)

Autobot_Benz wrote:Oh boy another G1 sub toyline. Its not like the last 3-4 toylines have been all G1 Toys.

Even knowing it was likely the case, still a downer to see. Nothing was learned from G.I. Joe, I see.

Anyway, Sideswipe does look fun and so do Targetmasters. I'm all about that Ironhide design hiding in plain sight behind OP, I hope it's real.

ScottyP wrote:Anyway, Sideswipe does look fun and so do Targetmasters. I'm all about that Ironhide design hiding in plain sight behind OP, I hope it's real.

You're talking about the illustration, or the toy itself? Because all I can't see it.

Prime truck mode looks like he’s wearing baseball cap on top of truck mode his boy mode looks great

I wonder if there will be a game that goes with these. I know Game Informer may have other things, but those weapon names are too detailed. War for Cybertron: Siege does sound like the name of a sequel or spin off to the For Cybertron games released a few years back.

Also, I like the effect parts on the target masters. I guess Power Rangers is not the only thing they are taking from Bandai.

I think I may have finally become tired of G1 reprisals.

We'll see. I sure hope this line doesn't go the way of POTP, and be Hasbro only.

These look beautiful. I was thinking "Oh, I don't think any of the new line will be very worth it for me," but now they've revealed a beautiful Optimus Voyager and a really nice Sideswipe. I definitely want these.

Emerje wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is that one of the Takara Targetmasters? Gotta say, these look really good, especially Sideswipe.

It looks so very similar in terms of design, aesthetic, and engineering, but the details don't seem to match up quite with any of the Takara Targetmasters from Legends, not even Firebolt. It's very CLOSE to Firebolt, but with some aspects either remolded or new detailing added to the sculpt.

100% new molds. They're much simpler than Takara Tomy's including lacking knees. Judging by the size compared to Sideswipe and Prime they're probably about the same size as a Decoy Armor.

Emerje

Any chance these use the same mold but modified to remove the articulation?

I'm happy about the targetmasters. They might be the only thing I go all in on. Not sure if I have a reason to upgrade my old Sideswipe. That can looks like it's made of Lego.

<Runs out and buys the entire line as soon as it's out>

So, the smallest line up that replace the pretenders will be targetmasters. This is a very welcome change for me, as i enjoy targetmasters.

Sideswipe and optimus looks great to me, dig the new look on the vehicle. However, i am a bit concerned with the gritty rust effect, particularly because their last attempt at sqweeks makes it looks like poop smear instead on the actual toy. If they are using the same technique for those effect, those two won't look gritty, but look more like they just come back from poop battle.

I have mixed feelings about this line, based on what we've seen so far. While I think that the toys will turn out be pretty solid, my frustration lies entirely with the direction the designers have taken it. I was kind of expecting the vehicle modes to be leaning more on the sci-fi side (hovercars, futuristic jets, etc.), as opposed to "weird looking G1 Earth modes." That, in my opinion, comes across as playing it way too safe. That being said, let's see what the rest of the line is going to look like at SDCC next week.

I will also add that I'm intrigued by the return of the Targetmasters. Probably won't get Firedrive in particular, but I'm curious to see some of the other designs for them. I still think the Titan Masters are the best of the Master size class.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Black Hat wrote:he has worse arm kibble than the Classics Voyager,

Dunno if I agree with that. It's fairly tidy in comparison to those huge almost flappy wing like things on Classics Prime. Could be better but heck i dunno...

I know I do not agree with that, the arm kibble here is much much better than on the classics toy. That is the main flaw of that toy, otherwise I think it was a pretty awesome voyager prime. I do not know if this one will replace it yet.

Nice looking so far!

Sideswipe is a definite, my boy finally. I've been waiting for him. (No I didn't want to hunt down the old classics one).

Prime I'm not sure about. On one hand, I would like a non-gimmick Prime (I have a combiner, a headmaster, a headmaster combiner, and an Evolution figure) but this guy kinda looks wonky.

Yay for Targetmasters!!!

I'm not sure how many of these I will get overall, as starting here I intend to get far more picky with them, but they look good so far.

I like the 5mm blast effects. I may give them to my minibots as small lightsaber like weapons.

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Black Hat wrote:he has worse arm kibble than the Classics Voyager,

Dunno if I agree with that. It's fairly tidy in comparison to those huge almost flappy wing like things on Classics Prime. Could be better but heck i dunno...

I know I do not agree with that, the arm kibble here is much much better than on the classics toy. That is the main flaw of that toy, otherwise I think it was a pretty awesome voyager prime. I do not know if this one will replace it yet.

Yeah, the arm kibble is much better on this new "Siege" Optimus Prime as compared to the Classics mold. I'd even say the Combiner Wars mold has more obtrusive panels on his arms than this. The other problem as I see it with the original Classics mold of Optimus Prime is that it's a bit undersized compared to many other Voyager figures. Classics Optimus Prime is particularly dwarfed by Universe 2008 Inferno and his mold-mates. (I try to keep them far away from "Classics" Optimus in my displays.)

Yeah, no. Easy pass.

william-james88 wrote:Apparently, their idea of "Cybertronian" modes is just Earth modes with some weird exhaust ports at certain areas.

My thoughts exactly. I do like the robot mode on Optimus, looks like a good voyager. Truck mode is As for "Firedrive," isn't that supposed to be Firebolt's new name? And he's Hot Rod's weapon. I like Sideswipe as well, but just the fact that we're getting a new Sideswipe in this line makes the omission of him in the CW/PotP line even more glaring. (I mean, how hard would it have been to slap a new head on Sunstreaker and paint him red? )

Anyways, I was right on it being called Seige.

So was I. And so was Va'al.

This is a frickin joke, right? Like, with all the cybertron based media we have, this is the best they could do? This looks like stuff you'd see at a car show right now, eff this. I'd have been down for some war within style stuff, or, hell, resurrect the old war for cybertron aesthetic.

That being said, I'd be down for a Nemesis repaint of that prime mold

The targetmasters are the only thing that I'm seeing as being worth anything at this point; just more uselsess G1 rehashes that I'm so f'ing sick of

Hopefully the 's will at least look better than this mediocre slop

Black Hat wrote:Oh dear. The Targetmasters are pretty much the same as Takara's but without knees (or a waist swivel), Prime's truck mode is an unholy mess and he has worse arm kibble than the Classics Voyager, and worst of all, we'll be getting bad customs tier paintjobs as standard.

Wonderful.

... I don't think I agree that the arm kibble is any worse, but the joint between the arm and the shoulder looks kind of questionable. the Takara TMs were great so I don't see anything wrong with hasbro's except the simplification of the knees and waist. It looks like, somewhat ironically considering they didn't participate in it at all, hasbro is trying to make a successor to Arms Micron only without the quirky transforming AM figures we loved.

durroth wrote:

Black Hat wrote:Oh dear. The Targetmasters are pretty much the same as Takara's but without knees (or a waist swivel), Prime's truck mode is an unholy mess and he has worse arm kibble than the Classics Voyager, and worst of all, we'll be getting bad customs tier paintjobs as standard.

Wonderful.

... I don't think I agree that the arm kibble is any worse, but the joint between the arm and the shoulder looks kind of questionable. the Takara TMs were great so I don't see anything wrong with hasbro's except the simplification of the knees and waist. It looks like, somewhat ironically considering they didn't participate in it at all, hasbro is trying to make a successor to Arms Micron only without the quirky transforming AM figures we loved.

As far as that shoulder to arm joint on Optimus, it looks to me like it's a similar design to the shoulder armor on Last Knight voyager Megatron. You can see there's a little slot on the top of the shoulder where, I'm guessing, the outer side panel of the shoulder can fold out on a pin so the arm ban get more movement. I think if that's how it works it should look fine.

Also I just want to say it again but I'm really excited for this Optimus Prime. No gimmicks, voyager size, isn't a Combiner torso with a pin head...