Transformers: The Last Knight Ends US Run, Total Gross $600M+

I know that is a lot of money but man did this thing bomb especially compared to the others and just in general. Which is sad because it is my favorite of the live action transformers movies.

Quantum Surge wrote:A million less than the first movie but still damaging. I hope Hasbro and Paramount can get back on their feet with the Bumblebee movie.

Don't want jinx it new director doesn't always mean success or better movie Tim burton batman good batman sequels batman robin and batman forever bad bat nipples colorful city bad comedy

in the end, we can only pray for a miracle to happen so that our favorite live action movie can stay alive

I know it wouldn't make any money, but am I the only one wishing they'd make another cartoon movie?

Kurona wrote:And that miracle is... Nothing. Because it's not in terrible danger. It just didn't make as much money as the other movies, which either means it has to experiment and be more creative to try and reach that level again; or lower their budget to match what money they're making back. It's going to be fine.

Hopefully their experiments won't conclude: "More explosions! More cursing! More bodily function jokes! More spinning cameras! More product placements! More communist China!"

I did like that the Tone of TLK was a bit lighter. I have seen all these films theatrically, and as my son has gotten older, this was the first I felt comfortable in taking him to see. had any of the other films come out, and he was the same age (11), some of the language and innuendo I still would not have taken him to see in the theater.

What I disliked was its complete disregard for continuity. Now I know that the movie series has been pretty loose when it comes to this, but if you squint real hard, and *read between the lines* you could make some sort of cohesive through line for the first 4 films. But with TLK all of that was shattered. It raised way more questions, and answered NONE from the previous film.

Look, I can tie everything together like this.

The knights were charged with protecting Cybertron from Unicron. The dinobots were the largest and strongest knights, sent out first to locate Unicron, which they found on earth. They took the forms of the local life, which were dinosaurs. They subdued Unicron and kept him from waking up, but the ships with the "creator" people wanting to cyberform earth showed up, along with Lockdown, and the dinobots lost the fight and were imprisoned by Lockdown. Once the "creators" realized that earth was home to the big bad Unicron and cyberforming him was REALLY BAD bacause it would wake the dude up and make him super powerful, they stopped and left the planet, but not before they had wiped out most life on the planet. They stripped off the cyberforming they had done and it left a layer of iridium. Millions of years later, the 13 original Primes located Unicron and they arrived on earth intending to build and use the solar harvester to drain the sun and put Unicron in a deep freeze so he couldn't awaken. When local life proved intelligent the primes decided they couldn't morally go through with the plan, so they decided to bury the solar harvester in a pyramid structure and built some fake ones to hide the nature of the harvester. They didn't want to wreck it incase it had to be used as a last resort. The Egyptians later copied their pyramids for tombs, thinking the original pyramids were "tombs of the gods". Anyway, one of the primes rebelled, since Unicron was too big a threat to Cybertron and he wanted the big U destroyed for good. He tried to get hold of the Matrix of Leadership to turn the thing on, but the other primes hid it away. They wouldn't kill the rebel prime, being unwilling to kill one of their own, so they sacrificed themselves instead. How The Fallen never found them and why he left... eh, someone else can figure that out.

So then on Cybertron the war isn't going so well for the Autobots. Sentinel Prime goes missing, and Optimus Prime decides to eject the Allspark from the planet to keep Megatron from gaining control over it. Sentinel was already headed for Earth when his ship gets damaged on the way out. Megatron knew that Earth was Unicron the whole time, having learned about it from Quintessa, and brought Sentinel into the mix, telling him of the plan to use the solar harvester to prevent Unicron from waking up, and Sentinel would use the space bridge to bring Cybertron into orbit to suck up the power, and Quintessa would kill Unicron. When Megatron found out Optimus ejected the Allspark, he knew it would be drawn to Unicron, and went flying off after it, not knowing that Sentinel's ship got damaged. Megatron saw a perfect plan - go to Earth, retrieve the Allspark, open the space bridge, activate the collector, repower and rebuild Cybertron, and crush the autobots, ending the war for good. Somehow he got damaged on the way - probably hit an asteroid, and crashed on Earth near the polar regions. He and the Allspark were found by humans that knew nothing of what was going on with Unicron or the solar collector.

Before the Allspark landed, while the fighting was going on on Cybertron, other knights that had been sent out to find Unicron had located him on earth. Merlin met them, and taught them about humans, especially about King Arthur. They realized that Quintessa would destroy all life on earth to stop Unicron and repower Cybertron. They hid their ship at the bottom of the ocean, and they bound the staff to Merlin so that it would remain hidden. Quintessa had already been moving Cybertron when Sentinel opened the spacebridge opened to Earth. When the spacebridge failed, she started moving Cybertron toward Earth at warp speed, burning up Cybertron's remaining energon reserves, since time was running out before Unicron would awaken.

Now to wrap it all up, here's how a few plot holes get tied. The original primes knew that Unicron could only be destroyed by using Quintessa's staff and the knights' ship. The solar harvester would freeze Unicron, but couldn't outright kill him. Once Unicron was frozen, the staff would be used to deliver the killing blow. After the Allspark was lost in space, a bunch of Autobots and Decepticons went out looking for it, like Jetfire, Bumblebee, etc. They ended up on Earth, but in the 20th century. They didn't know about the knights or Unicron, but were just looking for the Allspark. When signs of the Allspark were found everyone started calling their buddies in space. Enter Optimus, Jazz, Ironhide, and the others in the first movie. The "creators" were responsible for cyberforming various planets and creating robotic life. They were not involved in Cybertron's war, but had created various worlds like Cybertron and Velocitron and some others. Lockdown was their henchman. He was programmed to capture any wayward robots that would interfere with their cyberforming, among other things. After they discovered earth was Unicron, Lockdown decided to keep the dinobots imprisoned because they had grown too wild owing to their alternate forms and couldn't be released without wreaking havoc. When the "creators" learned that Cybertronians had again landed on earth, lockdown was sent to eliminate them before they could accidentally wake up Unicron. The presence of a Cybertronian with an active Matrix of Leadership was a serious problem as that would cause Unicron to stir, so Optimus Prime was targeted by Lockdown to be removed from the earth intact, and the Matrix taken to the "creators". He didn't care about the humans at all, and the seed they were given as a gift would cyberform too small an area of the planet to worry about. It would also allow him to cover his tracks when the humans most interested in it would be killed by it. When Prime left with the seed he hid it away somewhere in the asteroid field, then went on to try to find the "creators", but ran out of power and went into stasis lock. Quintessa found him, and lied to him, telling him that SHE was the creator when she was just a pretender, controlling Cybertron's core, and having been the one that dispatched the knights to find Unicron in the first place.

That's how I tie everything up. This make any sense?

noctorro wrote:And how the f*ck do they make baby Dinobots?

Well, you see, when a mommy dinobot and a daddy dinobot love each other very much...

EunuchRon wrote:Look, I can tie everything together like this.

The knights were charged with protecting Cybertron from Unicron. The dinobots were the largest and strongest knights, sent out first to locate Unicron, which they found on earth. They took the forms of the local life, which were dinosaurs. They subdued Unicron and kept him from waking up, but the ships with the "creator" people wanting to cyberform earth showed up, along with Lockdown, and the dinobots lost the fight and were imprisoned by Lockdown. Once the "creators" realized that earth was home to the big bad Unicron and cyberforming him was REALLY BAD bacause it would wake the dude up and make him super powerful, they stopped and left the planet, but not before they had wiped out most life on the planet. They stripped off the cyberforming they had done and it left a layer of iridium. Millions of years later, the 13 original Primes located Unicron and they arrived on earth intending to build and use the solar harvester to drain the sun and put Unicron in a deep freeze so he couldn't awaken. When local life proved intelligent the primes decided they couldn't morally go through with the plan, so they decided to bury the solar harvester in a pyramid structure and built some fake ones to hide the nature of the harvester. They didn't want to wreck it incase it had to be used as a last resort. The Egyptians later copied their pyramids for tombs, thinking the original pyramids were "tombs of the gods". Anyway, one of the primes rebelled, since Unicron was too big a threat to Cybertron and he wanted the big U destroyed for good. He tried to get hold of the Matrix of Leadership to turn the thing on, but the other primes hid it away. They wouldn't kill the rebel prime, being unwilling to kill one of their own, so they sacrificed themselves instead. How The Fallen never found them and why he left... eh, someone else can figure that out.

So then on Cybertron the war isn't going so well for the Autobots. Sentinel Prime goes missing, and Optimus Prime decides to eject the Allspark from the planet to keep Megatron from gaining control over it. Sentinel was already headed for Earth when his ship gets damaged on the way out. Megatron knew that Earth was Unicron the whole time, having learned about it from Quintessa, and brought Sentinel into the mix, telling him of the plan to use the solar harvester to prevent Unicron from waking up, and Sentinel would use the space bridge to bring Cybertron into orbit to suck up the power, and Quintessa would kill Unicron. When Megatron found out Optimus ejected the Allspark, he knew it would be drawn to Unicron, and went flying off after it, not knowing that Sentinel's ship got damaged. Megatron saw a perfect plan - go to Earth, retrieve the Allspark, open the space bridge, activate the collector, repower and rebuild Cybertron, and crush the autobots, ending the war for good. Somehow he got damaged on the way - probably hit an asteroid, and crashed on Earth near the polar regions. He and the Allspark were found by humans that knew nothing of what was going on with Unicron or the solar collector.

Before the Allspark landed, while the fighting was going on on Cybertron, other knights that had been sent out to find Unicron had located him on earth. Merlin met them, and taught them about humans, especially about King Arthur. They realized that Quintessa would destroy all life on earth to stop Unicron and repower Cybertron. They hid their ship at the bottom of the ocean, and they bound the staff to Merlin so that it would remain hidden. Quintessa had already been moving Cybertron when Sentinel opened the spacebridge opened to Earth. When the spacebridge failed, she started moving Cybertron toward Earth at warp speed, burning up Cybertron's remaining energon reserves, since time was running out before Unicron would awaken.

Now to wrap it all up, here's how a few plot holes get tied. The original primes knew that Unicron could only be destroyed by using Quintessa's staff and the knights' ship. The solar harvester would freeze Unicron, but couldn't outright kill him. Once Unicron was frozen, the staff would be used to deliver the killing blow. After the Allspark was lost in space, a bunch of Autobots and Decepticons went out looking for it, like Jetfire, Bumblebee, etc. They ended up on Earth, but in the 20th century. They didn't know about the knights or Unicron, but were just looking for the Allspark. When signs of the Allspark were found everyone started calling their buddies in space. Enter Optimus, Jazz, Ironhide, and the others in the first movie. The "creators" were responsible for cyberforming various planets and creating robotic life. They were not involved in Cybertron's war, but had created various worlds like Cybertron and Velocitron and some others. Lockdown was their henchman. He was programmed to capture any wayward robots that would interfere with their cyberforming, among other things. After they discovered earth was Unicron, Lockdown decided to keep the dinobots imprisoned because they had grown too wild owing to their alternate forms and couldn't be released without wreaking havoc. When the "creators" learned that Cybertronians had again landed on earth, lockdown was sent to eliminate them before they could accidentally wake up Unicron. The presence of a Cybertronian with an active Matrix of Leadership was a serious problem as that would cause Unicron to stir, so Optimus Prime was targeted by Lockdown to be removed from the earth intact, and the Matrix taken to the "creators". He didn't care about the humans at all, and the seed they were given as a gift would cyberform too small an area of the planet to worry about. It would also allow him to cover his tracks when the humans most interested in it would be killed by it. When Prime left with the seed he hid it away somewhere in the asteroid field, then went on to try to find the "creators", but ran out of power and went into stasis lock. Quintessa found him, and lied to him, telling him that SHE was the creator when she was just a pretender, controlling Cybertron's core, and having been the one that dispatched the knights to find Unicron in the first place.

That's how I tie everything up. This make any sense?

You ingested too much energon hefe?

One of the things that makes me chuckle about Transformers Movies is - we see something odd in a trailer and we (and Youtubers like Hybrid network etc) make up all these plans of why Bumblebee can reconstitute or how Galvatron became Megatron and got his spark - or how Barricade rescued the Original Megatron corpse and fixed it with a shard - so the other sparkless Galvatron is still walking around.

People make up stories like Bumblebee's hammer is the forge of Solas Prime and it enables him to gain the power of re/creation, or Cade did it.

But the movie actually doesn't explain it at all does it ?

These Movies are exasperating as soon as you start pointing the plot holes out - you can keep on going forever - sure some of the visual inconsistencies actually end up getting explained - but often not on screen (example being why the Autobots looked scruffy in robot mode and perfect in vehicle mode has an legit explanation to do with them taking on the perfect look of the vehicle they scan - or in the case of 1974 bee the imperfect look and the Transformation process resets that each time - where as it doesn't do the same to their robot mode).

Mr.MicroMaster wrote:I know that is a lot of money but man did this thing bomb especially compared to the others and just in general. Which is sad because it is my favourite of the live action Transformers movies.

Perhaps you could explain it to the rest of us.