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Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons

Posted by william-james88 May 14, 2022 at 11:23am CDT 48,621 views
We saw the process for Victory Saber so far. They showed us the tooling process and now we have the engineering pilot for the figure. Meaning this has the plastic that would be used in the final product. Of course, since this is a pilot (prototype), it can change, that's the point. But this is close to the final version enough that Hasbro is taking the opportunity to run through it with us with a 42 minute video, showing us all the features of the toy. Hopefully you reserved your copy already because at the current prices, it's looking more and more like a bargain everyday and it will surely be a hot commodity once released.

Friend of the site Hellscream9999 gave us a quick rundown of the more notable aspects in case you don't have 42 minutes.

Hellscream9999 wrote:The big takeaways for me were the fact that wing saber has double butterfly joints at the shoulder and an ab crunch. He can store the sword blade in his calf, and all the accessories can store fairly cleanly in all modes. Victory leo combines with star saber via a 5mm port and can therefore be attached to any figure with a 5mm port on their back (gives big cybertron wingsaber vibes) I also greatly appreciate how they designed the brainmaster figures, I thought it was very clever.

Of note, the guy said that the lion shoes could only combine with star saber "for now" meaning they might have another figure in the works that will be combatable with Victory Leo












Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons
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Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by Sabrblade May 14, 2022
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?


Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?
He called the toy "Wing Saber".
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by william-james88 May 14, 2022
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?


Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?
He called the toy "Wing Saber".


Is that not what the Cybertron toy is called?
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by chuckdawg1999 May 14, 2022
I had to split watching the video over two days because I was getting angrier with each minute. I am NOT happy with what I saw. I was going into detail on Twitter but here are the bullet points:

-The sword blade HAS to store in the back, that is an iconic part of the character and original toy. The blade also looks WAY too short.

-The hilt is ok for toy accuracy but way too big for anime, also I still don't think the sword will be able to be held in animation style accurately, not enough clearance in the forearms. The MP covered this by including a smaller hilt that looks and works great.

-Unpegging the arms don't make them butterfly joints, you're just undoing the transformation for it to work.

-They ruined the head gimmick, I'm pretty sure the Robot Master and/or the Candy Toy kit worked out a way to have the helmet attach and turn, the MP did this perfectly.

-They ruined the Brainmaster gimmick on Saber, I hope the final piece isn't clear plastic or that's just going to start a clock on the life of this figure.

Victory Leo looks really, really good and is the best part of the set.

If this was a mass retail toy then I would say it'll be one of the best, if not the best toys ever made, but seeing as how this is a crowdfunded, made-to-order collector's item it needed to be way, way better. Unfortunately, it's too late now. At least we're finally getting a stand to use with other figures.
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by GrangerPerry May 14, 2022
I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by ZeroWolf May 14, 2022
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.
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Comment by cloudballoon May 14, 2022
chuckdawg1999 wrote:If this was a mass retail toy then I would say it'll be one of the best, if not the best toys ever made, but seeing as how this is a crowdfunded, made-to-order collector's item it needed to be way, way better. Unfortunately, it's too late now. At least we're finally getting a stand to use with other figures.



It's no excuse for a HasLab project, but the rumors/speculations were what this is a "water testing" project to gauge interest in N. America of Japanese TF characters in a mass retail market/budget down the road. HasLab was the platform Hasbro chose to do this with the least risk. That's why the mold is very mass retail in terms of design. But they increased the paint app budget.

I do think the theory is more likely than not credible for this HasLab VS project's intent. In that light, all the maddening stuffs you mentioned are understandable. Otherwise, they could've go for a HasLab Primus/Cybertron after Unicorn (Or maybe that'll never happen considering Unicorn almost couldn't be funded).

American funders had it (relatively) good. Hasbro's not asking that much more than a mass retail price considering what we're getting (with all the extra Tier unlocks). We in Canada have to pay for expensive extra shipping (comes out to $237.28USD total), we're in even more pain than you guys in the US of A.
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by SpaceEagle May 14, 2022
This video is making me very excited to finally get the figures in hand. I'm glad I backed this!
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by -Kanrabat- May 14, 2022
cloudballoon wrote: We in Canada have to pay for expensive extra shipping (comes out to $237.28USD total), we're in even more pain than you guys in the US of A.


Not that painful especially if we buy two. Plus the total price is around the same as your average titan before the prices increase.
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Comment by Wolfman Jake May 14, 2022
Interestingly enough, they seem to have used one of the "test shots" of Earthrise Optimus Prime for these comparison shots with this colored engineering prototype. Note the blue biceps, gray hands, and yellow eyes.
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Comment by blackeyedprime May 14, 2022
ZeroWolf wrote:
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.


Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by ZeroWolf May 14, 2022
blackeyedprime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.


Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

Easy, because this is all hasbro, thus all proceeds go to Hasbro. Masterpieces are Takara's baby. Also too small? This victory Saber looks big enough, he wasn't massive as Liokaiser was bigger then him.
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Comment by Sabrblade May 14, 2022
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:"Wing Saber"?


Yeah?

I mean, I get the reference, do you not?
He called the toy "Wing Saber".


Is that not what the Cybertron toy is called?
Not that, the HasLab toy.
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by GrangerPerry May 14, 2022
ZeroWolf wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.


Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

Easy, because this is all hasbro, thus all proceeds go to Hasbro. Masterpieces are Takara's baby. Also too small? This victory Saber looks big enough, he wasn't massive as Liokaiser was bigger then him.


Hasbro released dozens of Masterpiece figures before the agreement to sell Takara figures directly in the same packaging overseas. And Hasbro has been designing Masterpiece Bayformers so it wouldn’t be surprising if they re released MP Star Saber and crowdfunded an MP Victory Leo. I’m not saying it’s a bad figure I think it looks cool I just feel it’s more in line with something anyone can pick up while running errands on the weekend not something exclusive like a 20 pound 3 foot tall behemoth.
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Comment by ZeroWolf May 14, 2022
GrangerPerry wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
blackeyedprime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.


Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.

Easy, because this is all hasbro, thus all proceeds go to Hasbro. Masterpieces are Takara's baby. Also too small? This victory Saber looks big enough, he wasn't massive as Liokaiser was bigger then him.


Hasbro released dozens of Masterpiece figures before the agreement to sell Takara figures directly in the same packaging overseas. And Hasbro has been designing Masterpiece Bayformers so it wouldn’t be surprising if they re released MP Star Saber and crowdfunded an MP Victory Leo. I’m not saying it’s a bad figure I think it looks cool I just feel it’s more in line with something anyone can pick up while running errands on the weekend not something exclusive like a 20 pound 3 foot tall behemoth.

My point was more that this was Hasbro's baby exclusively through money via haslab, unlike masterpieces (the non-mpm stuff which has to go through Takara.)

In any case, if hasbro had believed this could sell at retail they would have done it, but as the theory goes, this was a test to see the fan demand for representation of Japanese G1. What better way then fans putting money where their mouths are with the haslab system.
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Comment by Flashwave May 15, 2022
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final
blackeyedprime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
GrangerPerry wrote:I bought Unicron because it honestly felt like a figure of such magnitude would be impossible to create outside of crowdfunding. But this is odd I feel a re release of masterpiece star saber and then crowdfunding masterpiece Victory Leo would have made more sense. This just seems like a standard toy you find at Walmart even with additional paint apps added to the final

Why would Hasbro re-release something that Takara did? This is purely Hasbro's baby and is Generations styling. I doubt they would have been brave enough to try a retail CC release of Star Saber, besides, this way offers no risk to Hasbro.


Why wouldn't they? Wasn't they going to do that with mp beast wars megatron....



Way too small for my liking plus Leo is too short. Pretty good but def not a mini mp. Even if third party's oversize it might as well stick to the mp.


So I have the MP. This is what I wanted, not another Masterpiece. The MP Star Saber is too dang big to fit into a CHUG shelf. It's not far off asthetically, but the sheer bulk of it, he should not be able to ab crunch Skyfire and he looks like he could.

This toy is not perfect; I agree with many of Chuckdawgs gripes, but where I lose track is the idea that this was going to be anything other than a Generations Star Saber. The first giveaway was the fact that they priced this as a Titan at what is estimated to be a third to a quarter of the average production run. The final sales number blew out that threshold so the data skews somewhat on the final balance, but the important fact is that they budgeted for 10k units at what was it 193? Yes, they could have made MP2.0 Victory Saber and it would have e cost $400 and done all of what the original MP did but I feel like ot was very clear from the get go they wanted to make a more budget accessible, (realizing that Ha a Lab is not an accessable platform) Generations style Victory Saber.

So I am happy with the sword stowing on the back and the blade having to go somewhere else if it was sacrificed to make the toy work better, which it seems it was. I would have liked a second sword blade that was longer.

I am growing weary of these bellbottom sleeved robots that cannot hold their weapons the right way, Siege Ultra Magnus.

I would not have minded Star Saber being slightly taller, in order to make Saber slightly bigger. I want to see him with the Earthrise Seekers because I am totally doing a dogfight scene and I worry he is going to be tiny.

I actually expected Leo to be closer to Leader than he is, and NY rights he should be closer to Star Saber in height, but I like what we are getting here. I do feel like a flip up 5mm peg in the platform shoes mode to allow him to weaponize would not ha e gone amiss, might have been able to further secure the combination joint, and stow out of the way if not. Likewise, if they had put some 5mm ports in the lion paws then we would have e had two more ports on Victory Sabers back for storage and I could put blast effects in the paws like he is flying in Lion Mode Voltron style. Is it too late to change the tooling?

I really don't care about the whole Brainmaster thing. The detachable head is not my fave, but I don't really care either. I hope Chuck is wrong about that plastic being on a clock.

My OCD wants the V Lock Cannon to mount symmetrically. Maybe I can belly mount it with the stand hole?

And to echo Chuckdawg; if you have to design the shoulders rjoint to come apart so he can two hand his sword then so be it, but detaching his shoulder does not a butterfly joint make.
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Comment by GrangerPerry May 15, 2022
So far Haslab has crowdfunded the main antagonist of the first movie and the final leader of the g1 autobots. I just hope we’re not seeing a trend starting where they hold off on the key characters to get your money early. If Legacy Deathsaurus gets announced the aftermarket price is doubling immediately
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by ZeroWolf May 15, 2022
GrangerPerry wrote:So far Haslab has crowdfunded the main antagonist of the first movie and the final leader of the g1 autobots. I just hope we’re not seeing a trend starting where they hold off on the key characters to get your money early. If Legacy Deathsaurus gets announced the aftermarket price is doubling immediately

Dai Atlas was the final leader of the autobots in JG1 Animated fiction (Star Convoy took over from him in the non-animated continuation)

As for Deathsarus, someone on the design team was really pushing for him back in power of the primes...
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by blackeyedprime May 15, 2022
Flashwave wrote:So I have the MP. This is what I wanted


I have the MP and this is not what I wanted :)

I think MP looks fine on a Chug shelf next to Jetfire especially with similar height to the G1 Starconvoy toy.

Glad there are those out there that like it -though I will be forever confused why they didnt buy the MP when it was hanging around cheap or a KO which hung around even longer. If the brainmaster was titan master sized and everything scaled up to match -with Leo being same height as Starsaber then maybe this toy might not seem as superfluous to me.
Re: Hasbro Received the Coloured Prototype for Victory Saber and Reviews it with Size Comparisons (view post)
Comment by Emerje May 15, 2022
GrangerPerry wrote:Hasbro released dozens of Masterpiece figures before the agreement to sell Takara figures directly in the same packaging overseas. And Hasbro has been designing Masterpiece Bayformers so it wouldn’t be surprising if they re released MP Star Saber and crowdfunded an MP Victory Leo.

Yeah, it would be surprising. Even when Hasbro was doing their own color versions of MPs before simply importing TT's releases they almost always used molds that were actively being used by TT, they rarely (if ever) pulled out a mold for their own use. Since Hasbro's only involvement with Masterpiece designing is MPM it would be weird for them to suddenly decide to finish something Takara Tomy started. So there's no real reason to think they'd just randomly use the Star Saber mold when TT isn't actively doing the same and had no intention of doing the figure in the first place (it won a poll).

Emerje
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Comment by ZeroWolf May 15, 2022
Emerje wrote:
GrangerPerry wrote:Hasbro released dozens of Masterpiece figures before the agreement to sell Takara figures directly in the same packaging overseas. And Hasbro has been designing Masterpiece Bayformers so it wouldn’t be surprising if they re released MP Star Saber and crowdfunded an MP Victory Leo.

Yeah, it would be surprising. Even when Hasbro was doing their own color versions of MPs before simply importing TT's releases they almost always used molds that were actively being used by TT, they rarely (if ever) pulled out a mold for their own use. Since Hasbro's only involvement with Masterpiece designing is MPM it would be weird for them to suddenly decide to finish something Takara Tomy started. So there's no real reason to think they'd just randomly use the Star Saber mold when TT isn't actively doing the same and had no intention of doing the figure in the first place (it won a poll).

Emerje

I was thinking of that poll the other day, did they do a breakdown of who got what votes?
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