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Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body

Posted by william-james88 May 20, 2022 at 11:17pm CDT 46,905 views
With the previous images of Nitro Convoy/Override from the Velocitron line, fans were asking which other toys would be in this Walmart exclusive line. Would it all be characters from the Speed Planet in the Cybertron show? Well no, it's going to be a mix of lots of various continuities, just like they are doing with the Wreckers line and the Legacy line proper. And many of these toys won't even be about characters known for speed, like this one we are showing you now. Thanks to a review by prime vs Prime, we have images of the upcoming big ticket item from this Velocitron line: leader class Black Convoy. This uses the mold of leader glass G2 Optimus Prime from Legacy and while you'd think this meant this toy was Scourge, well it doesn't have that deco. It has the more commonly seen deco of Nemesis Prime which is mostly black instead of mostly grey and has a red chest instead of the chest design we usually see with Scourge. A digibash at the end will show you why fans are mixed on this reveal. The consensus is that it looks really good, but it's not correct. And some feel it's a missed opportunity to have a Scourge deco when we finally have a full on remake of the original toy's mold.

The toy does have the Scourge faction symbols, which are upside down G2 Autobot symbols, so that adds to the identity crisis a bit. You'll let us know what you think.







































On the Left we have what the actual Scourge deco would look like applied to this toy while on the right you have the toy we are getting, which is in typical Nemesis Prime colours.

New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body
New Images of Upcoming Leader Class Black Convoy Reveal a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body

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Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Hellscream9999 May 20, 2022
Looks awesome, I think this might be hasbro trying to consolidate all the black rededco prime figures into one character for less confusion, and I don't think there's anything we can do about it.

Does it suck? yeah, kinda, but at the end of the day they really were all just black and teal redeco's for the sake of sales. I think the only reason people are u[set is that one happened to get character development in a cartoon, I have no problem retconning rid scourge as nemesis prime they're basically the same thing >:oP

(To clarify, yes not doing the scourge deco is lame, but maybe they're holding him back for the selects line and we're all gonna end up double dipping on him)
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Flashwave May 21, 2022
I.. I don't hate it, on its own, but that is not the ultimate RID Scourge that I was holding out on this mold for. The truck mode is gorgeous, I am glad they got the trailer as shiny silver as they could. Chrome would been better but this is fine. And I am excited for this molds base mode atleast.i hope someone does comparison shots of this guy with UW Baldigus soon
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by SpaceEagle May 21, 2022
...I'll be honest I was expecting a Toxitron redeco...I still hope we're getting a Toxitron redeco...
(I don't mind evil Primes at all, just figured it'd be something different than yet another 'black repaint'.)
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Kamex May 21, 2022
The reviewer got it wrong, Hasbro/Takara didn't. That was never meant to be RID Scourge, it's Car Robots Black Convoy.

Scourge > Clear Red windows, flat grey stickers, decepticon faction symbol.
Black Convoy > Clear Pink windows, metallic stickers, upside down G2 autobot faction symbol.

That's before we even get into sonokong black convoy...

Nemesis prime is pretty much a catch all term at this point, but those two have always been distinct characters and toys, at least in their original incarnation. Different shows, different characters, different decos.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Rodimus Prime May 21, 2022
Sabrblade wrote:
My thought exactly. At the same time, I also agree that he will be released either in Legacy or Selects in correct colors. Hasbro has been doing it with Galvatron and Magnus lately, so why not this leader as well?

It also wouldn't surprise me if we got both a Toxitron and a G2 Magnus deco.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by sol magnus May 21, 2022
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
My thought exactly. At the same time, I also agree that he will be released either in Legacy or Selects in correct colors. Hasbro has been doing it with Galvatron and Magnus lately, so why not this leader as well?

It also wouldn't surprise me if we got both a Toxitron and a G2 Magnus deco.

The you could have this mold in whatever flavor you want!

At this point Black Convoy =/= Nemesis Prime, so I do understand both aspects - what is upsetting and what is necessary for business / clarity. I don't need every single release to comport to a past deco to be happy with it, but I do get it. But - I would actually welcome a Generations Selects repaint in toy colors - use silver paint rather than chrome for safety, but yes. Do that.

I don't have any attachment to Toxitron, and well, if they do a Magnus with this mold....It's Ultra Magnus. That's three they'd be getting out of me and that's if I don't cave on Laser Optimus before wave 3.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Emerje May 21, 2022
I wonder how they got the pink and black parts on the shoulders? On Optimus I would have thought all that gray was on a single sprue, but on Nemesis the parts that would have been gray like his legs are black and clear pink.

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I guess that means the abs are the same as the shoulder flaps. But what about the clear part, I can't find any other part that became clear as a result of making that clear. Even stranger that part didn't have to be clear as the missiles are a different part.

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Only thing I can think of is they originally based the shoulders on Legends Black Convoy who had a lot of exposed clear pink in the shoulders (unlike the Timelines version that painted over much of that).

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This whole figure is kinda mysterious.

Emerje
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by primalxconvoy May 21, 2022
The shoulders look like @rse. Why would they go to the trouble of making them appear as unpainted clear pink plastic? It looks like a cheap KO of an official release or a test sample, which is impossible, because CrimevsCrime only reviews legit TFs that are sold from official toy stockists...
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by grimdragon2001 May 21, 2022
Emerje wrote:I wonder how they got the pink and black parts on the shoulders? On Optimus I would have thought all that gray was on a single sprue, but on Nemesis the parts that would have been gray like his legs are black and clear pink.

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I guess that means the abs are the same as the shoulder flaps. But what about the clear part, I can't find any other part that became clear as a result of making that clear. Even stranger that part didn't have to be clear as the missiles are a different part.

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Only thing I can think of is they originally based the shoulders on Legends Black Convoy who had a lot of exposed clear pink in the shoulders (unlike the Timelines version that painted over much of that).

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This whole figure is kinda mysterious.

Emerje


Its much easier than you think, the grey parts on Laser Prime's shoulders chest and crotch are all painted grey, the Nemesis deco leaves those parts unpainted so you can get an idea of what the plastic colors are on LP for those parts now. Makes me feel like Hasbro cheaped out on the paint for Scourge now.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Munkky May 21, 2022
Black Convoy is one of the Velocitron toys I was most excited to see, and it does look good, but it looks like more of a Nemesis Prime than a Scourge, too much teal and pinky red for my liking, so I'm not sure if I'll get one.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Sabrblade May 21, 2022
The use of the Combatron symbols on this figure reads to me like the designers really wanted this to specifically be an update to Car Robots Black Convoy/RiD 2001 Scourge, but then some corporate executive who thinks they know better (when they don't) might have stepped in and given an order from on high that the deco should look more Nemesis Prime-y, either unaware of or not caring about how the original deco looked and only concerned that "All Nemesis Prime decos should look consistent! Nemesis Prime is BLACK, not GRAY!" >:oP

And yes, in this day and age, Nemesis Prime's Japanese name is "Black Convoy".
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by Gauntlet101010 May 21, 2022
I have to admit the new colors are somewhat offputting. Maybe it's just not what I was expecting? I don't get why they'd make an accurately decoed G2 Prime, but change it up so much for BC.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 May 21, 2022
Very nice, I was hoping they'd do this redeco!:) :PREDACON:
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by ZeroWolf May 21, 2022
Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 :lol: I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by SpikeyTigertron May 21, 2022
At this point, I almost feel we need a comparison to *all* the figures. Throw in the SDCC/Tokyo Toy Show Exclusives and get it all next to each other lol. Sadly most of mine are in storage atm. There's the OG Scourge and Black Convoy, the Titan's Return, which I think was a Japanese exclusive, The HTD that was just shown (and technically Bay Verse). I think there was a Japanese Exclusive Earthrise Nemesis Prime (but that's not the G2 body). Besides the Nucleon Quest (Ginrai) and the Universe Nemesis Mammoth... am I missing anything?

I like this current paint job, even if it is a bit of a mish-mash. Though some of you bring up a good point of, will we get a 'properly painted Selects version' and... that worries me.

https://toys.tfw2005.com/black-convoy-2017-51241

That's what I thought, the Expo 'Black Convoy' was actually done up as RiD Scourge... so... I guess this is just returning the favor lol
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by sol magnus May 21, 2022
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://toys.tfw2005.com/black-convoy-2017-51241

That's what I thought, the Expo 'Black Convoy' was actually done up as RiD Scourge... so... I guess this is just returning the favor lol

I think you have it backwards. RiD Scourge has Decepticon Logos. Black Convoy has upside down G2 Autobot logos. The colors of the reds are a little different, but that's because the American versions were cheap knockoffs of the Japanese versions...I never saw it as a 'deco difference', just a choice in materials having owned both simultaneously.

The new Black Convoy is made up more like MP-10B Black Convoy, a primarily black robot, but is still performing the same function as this one is. The confusing part isn't the deco per se, but the choice to go with that deco (as well as the choice NOT to have Laser Optimus have the Autobot G2 equivalent).
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by primalxconvoy May 21, 2022
ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 :lol: I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.


Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by o.supreme May 21, 2022
primalxconvoy wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 :lol: I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.


Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???


Who besides you pvc has said anything negative about the upcoming Fossilizers? They aren't even close to divisive. Also I did notice the misspelling of the word by the OP, but am giving them a pass, it's one of those "Nobody calls Soundwave 'uncruzimatic"" moments ;)
Re: Images of Upcoming Velocitron Black Convoy show a Nemesis Prime Deco on a Scourge Body (view post)
Comment by ZeroWolf May 21, 2022
o.supreme wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 :lol: I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.


Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???


Who besides you pvc has said anything negative about the upcoming Fossilizers? They aren't even close to divisive. Also I did notice the misspelling of the word by the OP, but am giving them a pass, it's one of those "Nobody calls Soundwave 'uncruzimatic"" moments ;)

It's another autocorrect moment, made worse this time as my mind went blank on the spelling so I looked at the list it recommended, and thought that looked right :lol:
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