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In-Hand Images of MP-30 Ratchet
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Comment by Ultra Markus
Mar 6, 2016
the crosses are not tampographed because the Red Cross would sue 
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Remember backin 1987-88. James Bond Living Daylights got into a similar mess with the "Red Cross"
Comment by fenrir72
Mar 6, 2016
Ultra Markus wrote:the crosses are not tampographed because the Red Cross would sue
Remember backin 1987-88. James Bond Living Daylights got into a similar mess with the "Red Cross"
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Comment by MemphisR56
Mar 7, 2016
Let's make sure we're clear though,
The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.
It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.
Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.
The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.
What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.
They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.
The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.
It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.
Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.
The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.
What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.
They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.
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Comment by Cobotron
Mar 7, 2016
Sound logic Memphis.
Then by that logic, give us a Mirage and a Jazz with sticker sheets.
Then by that logic, give us a Mirage and a Jazz with sticker sheets.
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Comment by zodconvoy
Mar 7, 2016
I don't care so much about the crosses as mush as the lack of a red helmet. I'd much prefer the red to the white. And I know, toon version not conic but still. The red always looked better.
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Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.
Comment by Ironhidensh
Mar 7, 2016
MemphisR56 wrote:Let's make sure we're clear though,
The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.
It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.
Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.
The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.
What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.
They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.
Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.
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It's not about the Red Cross here in America. It's about the symbol itself. You're dealing with a toy that will be sold in the Asian and Pacific markets, in countries that have a very real and recent history of disaster and war. Globally, the red Cross is a symbol of emergency help and life saving aid. It's a symbol recognized as exempt from being fired upon during war by international law. While churches themselves are often targets, the medical corps has been many people around the world's only safe place or escape from active lethal danger. Everywhere else on Earth, that symbol means something more than it does here. And they don't want it slapped on a toy with guns. And Takara respected that enough to just make it a sticker set so people had to option.
Comment by zodconvoy
Mar 7, 2016
Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.
It's not about the Red Cross here in America. It's about the symbol itself. You're dealing with a toy that will be sold in the Asian and Pacific markets, in countries that have a very real and recent history of disaster and war. Globally, the red Cross is a symbol of emergency help and life saving aid. It's a symbol recognized as exempt from being fired upon during war by international law. While churches themselves are often targets, the medical corps has been many people around the world's only safe place or escape from active lethal danger. Everywhere else on Earth, that symbol means something more than it does here. And they don't want it slapped on a toy with guns. And Takara respected that enough to just make it a sticker set so people had to option.
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yeah and people would confuse ratchet here with a real Red Cross ambulance
Comment by Ultra Markus
Mar 7, 2016
Ironhidensh wrote:MemphisR56 wrote:Let's make sure we're clear though,
The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.
It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.
Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.
The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.
What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.
They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.
Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.
yeah and people would confuse ratchet here with a real Red Cross ambulance
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I don't know people are up with their history, but...
In real life, has the Red Cross symbol ever been used in association with regular medical facilities for the common folk, like hospitals and ambulances? I know we've seen it plenty on toys, but they may not necessarily be based on real life, so toy makers grabbed the most recognised as a standard and called it a day. That would actually lead to a false representation of the organisation, which is normally active with providing health care in crisis areas, instead being portrayed as run-of-the-mill.
The Red Cross trademarking the logo and enforcing it may have stemmed from wanting to prevent this misconception. And guys, MP Ratchet is hardly the first to suffer it: G1 Ratchet had the issue since 2000 in the comics and several ambulance toys (like BotCon 2005 Ratchet) had the symbol altered. Also, trademarking back in the 80's was a bit different, more lenient than it is now in the image and vehicle model department.
Comment by Jelze Bunnycat
Mar 7, 2016
Ultra Markus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:MemphisR56 wrote:Let's make sure we're clear though,
The reason the red cross don't let people use the symbol isn't because they want to monetize it. It's an internationally recognised symbol for medical help. What they try to do by issuing C&D's is to stop it being used fictionally, and not pervert or alter the meaning of the symbol in any way.
It's so as not to confuse people looking for genuine aid. They want it to remain an image where people can look at it and think 'I can get help here' which is something I can get behind.
Essentially it's the same thing as what happened with exhaust.
The original Diaclone broke the rules, so in order for everything that comes after to be 100% accurate, it also has to break to the rules. If we want to lay blame for it at anybody, lay it on the lack of foresight and respect for intellectual property rights the takara designers had when working on the diaclone line in the early 80's.
What Takara have done here is pre-empt the same issue occurring as it did with Exhaust (misusing a registered trademark, and in contravention of a law which is set out to prevent a moral issue from occuring) and making the product hard to come by for consumers and causing a ton of hassle in time and money for downline dedicated stockists.
They're even putting all the tools you need in the box to let you break the rules yourself if you want to.
Yeah, not that I want to start this argument, but the Red Cross has become More about the money than the help.
yeah and people would confuse ratchet here with a real Red Cross ambulance
I don't know people are up with their history, but...
In real life, has the Red Cross symbol ever been used in association with regular medical facilities for the common folk, like hospitals and ambulances? I know we've seen it plenty on toys, but they may not necessarily be based on real life, so toy makers grabbed the most recognised as a standard and called it a day. That would actually lead to a false representation of the organisation, which is normally active with providing health care in crisis areas, instead being portrayed as run-of-the-mill.
The Red Cross trademarking the logo and enforcing it may have stemmed from wanting to prevent this misconception. And guys, MP Ratchet is hardly the first to suffer it: G1 Ratchet had the issue since 2000 in the comics and several ambulance toys (like BotCon 2005 Ratchet) had the symbol altered. Also, trademarking back in the 80's was a bit different, more lenient than it is now in the image and vehicle model department.
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Comment by chuckdawg1999
Mar 17, 2016
Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.
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Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.
Comment by fenrir72
Mar 17, 2016
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.
Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.
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April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too much
Comment by chuckdawg1999
Mar 18, 2016
fenrir72 wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.
Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.
April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too much
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Makes me wonder if they'd try to get the re-issue of Wheeljack out with Ratchet, which would be coooooool for the peeps that didn't get him yet.
Comment by galvatron00
Mar 18, 2016
I thought the schedule has always been Hot Rodimus/Ultra Magnus re-issue last week of February, Shockwave last week of March, Ratchet last week of April? And yeah I know things change, but all three of those times stick out in my head..like I read it places a lot..or something..chuckdawg1999 wrote:April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too muchfenrir72 wrote:Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.
Makes me wonder if they'd try to get the re-issue of Wheeljack out with Ratchet, which would be coooooool for the peeps that didn't get him yet.
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Comment by Optimum Supreme
Mar 21, 2016
With the way they like to do redecos of MP's, I wonder if somewhere down the line they'll do him with his slightly different Marvel deco. (Or even his way f'n different early, probably a mistake, Marvel deco with the blue chest and red legs.)
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Iirc WJ was re-issued already though Exhaust re-issue came first.
Comment by fenrir72
Mar 21, 2016
itscramtastic wrote:I thought the schedule has always been Hot Rodimus/Ultra Magnus re-issue last week of February, Shockwave last week of March, Ratchet last week of April? And yeah I know things change, but all three of those times stick out in my head..like I read it places a lot..or something..chuckdawg1999 wrote:April makes sense to me. Two MPs in a month would be too muchfenrir72 wrote:Amiami is slated mid April 2016 (begining of the second quarter). Unless updated, it seems on schedule though coming nearly one after the other after Laserwave.........my aching wallet.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Well Ratchet has been moved to 2nd quarter 2016 on BBTS. I'm really looking forward to this figure. Ironhide was just so, so good and this is the same mold.
Makes me wonder if they'd try to get the re-issue of Wheeljack out with Ratchet, which would be coooooool for the peeps that didn't get him yet.
Iirc WJ was re-issued already though Exhaust re-issue came first.
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Comment by Cyberpath
Apr 5, 2016
MP-30 Ratchet prototype from Masterforce UK --
The blue and white plastic parts are the retooled sections.
The blue and white plastic parts are the retooled sections.
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Comment by no-one
Apr 5, 2016
Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath and Logan79 have shared some prototype images of the upcoming Takara Transformers Masterpiece MP-30 Ratchet via MasterforceUK blog. Blue plastic highlights the changes from MP-27 Ironhide very nicely.
As a bonus Cyberpath has also given us the heads up on some prototype images of MP-25 Tracks; also from MasterforceUK.
Do you have MP-30 Ratchet on pre-order? Have these newly highlighted changes influenced you in any way? Hit the jump below and sound off in the discussion.
Remember to keep your browsers pointed to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformer news, the largest Transformers galleries found on the web and the liveliest Transformers discussion this side of a space bridge.
As a bonus Cyberpath has also given us the heads up on some prototype images of MP-25 Tracks; also from MasterforceUK.
Do you have MP-30 Ratchet on pre-order? Have these newly highlighted changes influenced you in any way? Hit the jump below and sound off in the discussion.
Remember to keep your browsers pointed to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformer news, the largest Transformers galleries found on the web and the liveliest Transformers discussion this side of a space bridge.
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takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-mp-25-tracks-discussion-thread-t103299s600.php#p1765954
last February 14. News or history?
Comment by fenrir72
Apr 5, 2016
carytheone wrote:Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath and Logan79 have shared some prototype images of the upcoming Takara Transformers Masterpiece MP-30 Ratchet via MasterforceUK blog. Blue plastic highlights the changes from MP-27 Ironhide very nicely.
As a bonus Cyberpath has also given us the heads up on some prototype images of MP-25 Tracks; also from MasterforceUK.
Do you have MP-30 Ratchet on pre-order? Have these newly highlighted changes influenced you in any way? Hit the jump below and sound off in the discussion.
Remember to keep your browsers pointed to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformer news, the largest Transformers galleries found on the web and the liveliest Transformers discussion this side of a space bridge.
takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-mp-25-tracks-discussion-thread-t103299s600.php#p1765954
last February 14. News or history?
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Comment by DecepticonFinishline
Apr 5, 2016
I just know they're going to try to officially release the Black Diaclone Tracks....
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Comment by Unicron Magnus
Apr 5, 2016
Is it bad that I want Tigatron Tracks released as a toy?
