Lots of New Info on Legacy Menasor Including Height Comparisons

grimdragon2001 wrote:Do we really need Optimus and Megatron in EVERY iteration?

grimdragon2001 wrote:That said, Generations should keep to G1 style when doing G1 characters, but characters from other continuities should be done as they were in said continuity. I really find myself detesting the G1-ified Prime characters, especially Arcee as she was my fave character in that show and this new look is just terrible. I'll always love G1, but I don't want everything to be G1.

grimdragon2001 wrote:This image has me thinking that Legacy Menasor will be close to, if not the same height as CW Menasor. At least close enough to fit in with the CW combiners without any problems.


compare that to this pic of Netflix Prime and CW Menasor (Sadly from a phone with a scuffed up lens) and you might see what I mean


quick edit, forgot mine is wearing the Perfect Effect feet so yea, stock will be somewhat shorter

blackeyedprime wrote:Height wise he should work fine with other CW bots if a bit taller, I always had to extend the legs on them to make them look proportionate with their elbow joints or just leave the vehicles compressed on the arms/legs for a stubby g1 look. Just had a quick play with my CW one and I still like it enough to keep it.

I still really don't like legacy drag strips design or that even with multiple upgrade kits he still looks bad but I'm kind of tempted to get this menasor.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:When we first saw Legacy Menasaur, I knew it was perfect. This is cool! But why did they peg wildrider and breakdown into the back of the leg, I thought they went on the front!

grimdragon2001 wrote:This image has me thinking that Legacy Menasor will be close to, if not the same height as CW Menasor. At least close enough to fit in with the CW combiners without any problems.

Autobot N wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:When we first saw Legacy Menasaur, I knew it was perfect. This is cool! But why did they peg wildrider and breakdown into the back of the leg, I thought they went on the front!

On the CW figure yes, but for some stupid reason the G1 cartoon just slapped the cars onto the backs of the legs instead of having Breakdown and Wildrider make up the entire leg like the G1 toy. They still had the tops of the cars facing backwards, but at least the front of the legs looked distinct because of Breakdown's and Wildrider's chests. But because of the G1 show we're stuck with this stupid design.

Switching the top of the legs' vehicle modes to the front of the Combiner legs was one of my favorite changes from Combiner Wars, it's a shame any future Legacy combiners probably won't keep it

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:When we first saw Legacy Menasaur, I knew it was perfect. This is cool! But why did they peg wildrider and breakdown into the back of the leg, I thought they went on the front!

On the CW figure yes, but for some stupid reason the G1 cartoon just slapped the cars onto the backs of the legs instead of having Breakdown and Wildrider make up the entire leg like the G1 toy. They still had the tops of the cars facing backwards, but at least the front of the legs looked distinct because of Breakdown's and Wildrider's chests. But because of the G1 show we're stuck with this stupid design.

Switching the top of the legs' vehicle modes to the front of the Combiner legs was one of my favorite changes from Combiner Wars, it's a shame any future Legacy combiners probably won't keep it

When we heard about Legacy Menasor, I'd hoped that there would be some options for display to let him either be Sunbow accurate, or toy accurate. I was hoping for an alternate chest, head, and leg transformation. Obviously it's not happening, but at least if you have the CW leg bots, you can kinda get the cars facing forward

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:When we first saw Legacy Menasaur, I knew it was perfect. This is cool! But why did they peg wildrider and breakdown into the back of the leg, I thought they went on the front!

On the CW figure yes, but for some stupid reason the G1 cartoon just slapped the cars onto the backs of the legs instead of having Breakdown and Wildrider make up the entire leg like the G1 toy. They still had the tops of the cars facing backwards, but at least the front of the legs looked distinct because of Breakdown's and Wildrider's chests. But because of the G1 show we're stuck with this stupid design.

Switching the top of the legs' vehicle modes to the front of the Combiner legs was one of my favorite changes from Combiner Wars, it's a shame any future Legacy combiners probably won't keep it

When we heard about Legacy Menasor, I'd hoped that there would be some options for display to let him either be Sunbow accurate, or toy accurate. I was hoping for an alternate chest, head, and leg transformation. Obviously it's not happening, but at least if you have the CW leg bots, you can kinda get the cars facing forward

Sabrblade wrote:Just so that everyone is on the same page:


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery

G1 toy: Leg cars faced backwards.




Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Menasor Gallery


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Menasor Gallery

Combiner Wars toy: Leg cars face forwards.

william-james88 wrote:Most Beast Wars fans are way past 30

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Height wise he should work fine with other CW bots if a bit taller, I always had to extend the legs on them to make them look proportionate with their elbow joints or just leave the vehicles compressed on the arms/legs for a stubby g1 look. Just had a quick play with my CW one and I still like it enough to keep it.

I still really don't like legacy drag strips design or that even with multiple upgrade kits he still looks bad but I'm kind of tempted to get this menasor.

If you're going to get it, make a decision quick before after market prices make it for you.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Just so that everyone is on the same page:


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery


Transformers G1 1986 Menasor Gallery


G1 toy: Leg cars faced backwards.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Overcracker wrote:I'll wait for the inevitable retool... though I wonder who they can use the mold for that has not already been done recently.

The two prevailing theories seem to be Armada Thrust based on the shape and Armada Starscream who we know is coming in Legacy.

Leakers have been adamant that Armada Screamer and Jhiaxus share absolutely nothing this time around, Screamer is supposedly using engineering from the Starscream that was to be included in the "indefinitely postponed"/cancelled TF Rise figure 2-packs.

Overcracker wrote:The Jhiaxus mold seems completely separate to Armada Starscream.... seems unlikely they'd use that as basis, more so when SS has at least 3 repaints built in already that can cover the cost of a new mold.

Overcracker wrote:I can buy Armada Thrust since he was a different mold to SS, TC and RJ. But not sure they'd make him a Voyager. He's always been a deluxe even the original mold was a Mega (Armada's Deluxe class).

Emerje wrote:

Overcracker wrote:I can buy Armada Thrust since he was a different mold to SS, TC and RJ. But not sure they'd make him a Voyager. He's always been a deluxe even the original mold was a Mega (Armada's Deluxe class).

Super was Deluxe in Armada (or Super-Con if you want to be specific). Anyway his wasn't originally my idea, I forget who made the observation first, but I also initially brushed it off and said Hasbro wouldn't do a Voyager of a character whose only two other transforming figures were both Deluxes, but after some thought I realized Hasbro hasn't done a Deluxe jet in a very long time (aside from Skytread and Sixgun for obvious reasons) so a new Thrust would almost have to be a Voyager.

Emerje

Overcracker wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Overcracker wrote:I can buy Armada Thrust since he was a different mold to SS, TC and RJ. But not sure they'd make him a Voyager. He's always been a deluxe even the original mold was a Mega (Armada's Deluxe class).

Super was Deluxe in Armada (or Super-Con if you want to be specific). Anyway his wasn't originally my idea, I forget who made the observation first, but I also initially brushed it off and said Hasbro wouldn't do a Voyager of a character whose only two other transforming figures were both Deluxes, but after some thought I realized Hasbro hasn't done a Deluxe jet in a very long time (aside from Skytread and Sixgun for obvious reasons) so a new Thrust would almost have to be a Voyager.

Emerje

You are correct. It was Super-Con. Mega was from the previous lines.

Anyway, the point stands. I just do't see how they can turn this Jhuiaxus into Starscream without major retooling. and Armada SS is no Optimus Prime to warrant such levels of retooling and new parts. The transformation isn't even close to what Starscream did. And they'd still need to add the over the shoulder cannons that flip down. with that amount of re-engineering, I'd say an entirely new mold is more practical.

Also, the Generationsdeluxe SS and Jhiaxus shared a lot including the transformation. Don't see how they can attempt to use this transformation for Starscream at all.

Kurona wrote:

grimdragon2001 wrote:This image has me thinking that Legacy Menasor will be close to, if not the same height as CW Menasor. At least close enough to fit in with the CW combiners without any problems.

Since Legacy Menasor is shown here to be pretty much the exact same neck-height as Siege Jetfire, we can use previous Siege Jetfire comparisons to see how Menasor stacks up to CW combiners. He seems to actually come out very slightly taller; though I imagine if you have say CW Computron/UW Baldigus' feet or 3P feet, it'll be close to the exact same height. Not bad if you want to have him posed with Superion or Bruticus straight away!

optimeow wrote:
Hunting down all Stunticons is a chore I would rather not have.

Evil Eye wrote:and Motormaster seems to be almost unnecessary to the combined form (at least if the pics are anything to go by).

Sabrblade wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:and Motormaster seems to be almost unnecessary to the combined form (at least if the pics are anything to go by).

The designer clarified that he took those pics with two Motormasters, one forming the body of Menasor and one separate, just to show off size comparison.

Evil Eye wrote:
Anyway, the thing that gets me about this Menasor is how little the components seem to contribute to the combiner. The armbots aren't too bad as at least they're fully visible but the legbots are hidden from view from most front angles, and Motormaster seems to be almost unnecessary to the combined form (at least if the pics are anything to go by). Call me old fashioned but I like my combiners to be made from the robots rather than just be...I dunno, piloted by them.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't see Legacy Menasor ever being a boxed set...
The price would be really close to $200, especially after taxes.
That is steep when you're talking action figures/toys.

I believe Will has already mentioned this and I don't want or intend to take it out of context,
but I agree with the idea that we're reaching a threshold where prices really are becoming a deterrent...
$200 is a lot for the average parent to spend on a toy.
It would never be a random purchase, and it's still not necessarily a purchase for Christmas or a birthday.
On top of this, it becomes a "never" type of situation if the parent knows the kid's want of said purchase is only a "maybe". Which makes total sense.
I've spent over $200 for one of my son's presents ONCE. Before and since then, no present has broke the $120 price tag, and even that's only happened once or twice.

But the thought that increasing/"too high of" prices matter, seems to be more and more true now, and across the board, not just with large toys.
It seems so absurd that I may end up paying right at $60 next year to get the last two deluxe G1 Insecticons (assuming those happen)...
Back to Menasor specifically, this may be a great set. Maybe even phenomenal...
But it goes without saying that it's a risk to push out a $200 toy into the mass retail market.

Don't even get me started on this new Metroplex...

I enjoyed getting the UW sets, but even those weren't $200.
And it's not that I'm against this happening for Legacy Menasor. I just don't think that's a risk Hastak is going to take.

Rtron wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't see Legacy Menasor ever being a boxed set...
The price would be really close to $200, especially after taxes.
That is steep when you're talking action figures/toys.

I believe Will has already mentioned this and I don't want or intend to take it out of context,
but I agree with the idea that we're reaching a threshold where prices really are becoming a deterrent...
$200 is a lot for the average parent to spend on a toy.
It would never be a random purchase, and it's still not necessarily a purchase for Christmas or a birthday.
On top of this, it becomes a "never" type of situation if the parent knows the kid's want of said purchase is only a "maybe". Which makes total sense.
I've spent over $200 for one of my son's presents ONCE. Before and since then, no present has broke the $120 price tag, and even that's only happened once or twice.

But the thought that increasing/"too high of" prices matter, seems to be more and more true now, and across the board, not just with large toys.
It seems so absurd that I may end up paying right at $60 next year to get the last two deluxe G1 Insecticons (assuming those happen)...
Back to Menasor specifically, this may be a great set. Maybe even phenomenal...
But it goes without saying that it's a risk to push out a $200 toy into the mass retail market.

Don't even get me started on this new Metroplex...

I enjoyed getting the UW sets, but even those weren't $200.
And it's not that I'm against this happening for Legacy Menasor. I just don't think that's a risk Hastak is going to take.

Studio Series Devastator was rereleased on 2020 as a 260 usd boxset, so it wouldn't be that crazy from an antecedent standpoint. I don't live in the US so no idea how those prices jive with the average income there. All Transformers are ridiculously expensive where I live, lol.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I don't really have an opinion on the idea of a boxset for Menasor, but if it's the only way to get the G2 colors, I'm in Also, didn't one of the designers say there are no plans to release a box set of Stunticons?

AcademyofDrX wrote:We don't have to invent a target market and then filter all product options through that idealized end. In the last few years Hasbro has released, and continues to release, a couple dozen products at $150 or more. They may be retailer or online exclusives, and there's only a handful each year, but there's enough of a market that they keep making them. Lego releases more than a dozen sets at that price point annually, including sets in their lines that target children. Usually those top out at $150, with $170 and higher marketed primarily to adults.

I'm not debating if Generations is for kids or adults anymore, as that misses the point: the products target both markets. What I still argue about is whether adults (and rich parents, I guess) buy enough high-priced toys to make them profitable. Based on the continued sale of these toys from Hasbro, Lego, and other toy companies, there's an obvious answer: yes.

(As an aside, we're likely headed into a period of slowing economic activity, and more expensive optional purchases tend to suffer in that environment. So things could change in the near future, but for right now, I don't think there's any debate .)

Sowndwave76 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:We don't have to invent a target market and then filter all product options through that idealized end. In the last few years Hasbro has released, and continues to release, a couple dozen products at $150 or more. They may be retailer or online exclusives, and there's only a handful each year, but there's enough of a market that they keep making them. Lego releases more than a dozen sets at that price point annually, including sets in their lines that target children. Usually those top out at $150, with $170 and higher marketed primarily to adults.

I'm not debating if Generations is for kids or adults anymore, as that misses the point: the products target both markets. What I still argue about is whether adults (and rich parents, I guess) buy enough high-priced toys to make them profitable. Based on the continued sale of these toys from Hasbro, Lego, and other toy companies, there's an obvious answer: yes.

(As an aside, we're likely headed into a period of slowing economic activity, and more expensive optional purchases tend to suffer in that environment. So things could change in the near future, but for right now, I don't think there's any debate .)

No one's trying to invent a target market.
Show me the list of a couple dozen mainline, mass retailed TF figures from the last 3 years, each being originally priced at $150-$200.
Were there even a handful (5-7) of exclusive (and non-MP) figures that cost $150+ in the last 3 years?
That number/cost, $200, was an important part of my point.
Based on what I actually said, no, Hastak hasn't done such releases dozens of times in the past, so it's an assumption about how any sales involving a $200 price tag are going to pan-out. There isn't an obvious 'yes'.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I was a couple replies deep so I missed some of the finer points like emphasizing mass retail late in the post, and if you're excluding Masterpiece and Haslab, then the number of more expensive Transformers drops. Rereading your post, reading mine, and your reply, there's probably more agreement between us than not, we're just emphasizing different things.

The broader point I'm making including Lego is, "will kids or parents buy this" is not the definitive question in whether a toy company puts something out. That's why we have a $170 Optimus Prime Lego set and $300+ Hasbro lightsabers. Will we get a $200 Menasor set? Are there enough adult collectors and rich parents to mean that will be at Target? I can't speak to that, maybe not, maybe even probably not, so I'm not really rebutting that point. I just think the "will kids buy this" mindset is increasingly outdated, and while it's still a big part of the equation, it's not the only important value.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I was a couple replies deep so I missed some of the finer points like emphasizing mass retail late in the post, and if you're excluding Masterpiece and Haslab, then the number of more expensive Transformers drops. Rereading your post, reading mine, and your reply, there's probably more agreement between us than not, we're just emphasizing different things.

The broader point I'm making including Lego is, "will kids or parents buy this" is not the definitive question in whether a toy company puts something out. That's why we have a $170 Optimus Prime Lego set and $300+ Hasbro lightsabers. Will we get a $200 Menasor set? Are there enough adult collectors and rich parents to mean that will be at Target? I can't speak to that, maybe not, maybe even probably not, so I'm not really rebutting that point. I just think the "will kids buy this" mindset is increasingly outdated, and while it's still a big part of the equation, it's not the only important value.

Yeah, I don't mind that you brought up Lego, however, there are probably some major differences...
The number of series/themes for Lego far outweighs the TF offerings... And going a step further, that includes product across all types... Books, clothing, accessories, movies, etc...
I point this out because you know this probably 1,000x more than me, that Lego is huge.
So they have more wiggle room when it comes to releasing a $170 AT-AT set.
Or even in the realm of those Expert/Ideas sets... Those can get super pricy... But for that company as a whole, between x number of Mini-figure series, $10, $20, $30, $40, $50, so on and so on price options of sets, it may be fair to say that Lego is in a different league...
Whereas 1 Titan class release within the realm of TF is much

Seems like Hastak does focus on kids... Now, we completely agree (as far as I remember) that Hastak caters to collectors and fans more than they'll ever admit...
But yeah, I get and agree with your first point of your last post... While I think it's prioritized to at least some higher degree, "will kids and/or parents buy this" may not be the main motivation for choosing to release specific products.