More Stock Images of Transformers Legacy Road Pig

Don't know why, but Road Pig really speaks to me. I had no interest in Junkions, but damn. that black and red is sweet.

I'd also be all over an Armada Sideways retool of this guy.

Overcracker wrote:I'd also be all over an Armada Sideways retool of this guy.

I hate to say it, but the Prowl/Chromia mold would better match Armada Sideways's silhouette.

That Road Pig is perfect all over. Especially with the clear exhaust pipes that are a direct reference to the original.

So he actually has TRANSFORMERS stamped on his gas tank?

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:I'd also be all over an Armada Sideways retool of this guy.

I hate to say it, but the Prowl/Chromia mold would better match Armada Sideways's silhouette.

I'll respectfully disagree.

This guy has all the right beats. Saddle bags, translucent exhausts, long seat back.

He just needs a different front end, and since it's just his foot, it would be an easy retool.

Overcracker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:I'd also be all over an Armada Sideways retool of this guy.

I hate to say it, but the Prowl/Chromia mold would better match Armada Sideways's silhouette.

I'll respectfully disagree.

This guy has all the right beats. Saddle bags, translucent exhausts, long seat back.

He just needs a different front end, and since it's just his foot, it would be an easy retool.

I was talking more about the robot mode, which is Sideways's more iconic mode since it's the one that made use of his iconic Headmaster faction-swapping gimmick.

I hope a third party does a proper windshield and headlights that can be popped over the current one and maybe have the glass detach and snap over his belly somehow, that would be great. But as is, he really turned out good, especially that head sculpt. It's interesting that the one with the box has black thighs like the original figure, but the one in the gallery has red thighs like the original box art and prototype. I hope we're getting the latter, it looks really good with more red, but the art on the side of the new box appears to have black thighs so maybe that's not possible with the parts layout? I can't really tell what the forearms are parted with since they're red in all photos, but it seems the shoulder joints and thighs are one one sprue while the wheels, ankle joint, knee joint and neck joint are on another. That makes it hard to tell just what they could be planning for the final figure. Hopefully we get an update from Mark or Sam that explains the actual colors when these are officially announced.

I hope they come back to this later, I'd like an RID Axer even if he is just the same figure without the red and a little dark blue. This mold may not suit Armada Sideways but it does suit his Robot Masters counterpart.



Plus it would be really cool if they did some unfinished business and did a special chromed out Soundwave figure that was canceled. Would they do Microman Road Bison? Can't really see it, but it's a really good looking silver version of the mold.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:[

I was talking more about the robot mode, which is Sideways's more iconic mode since it's the one that made use of his iconic Headmaster faction-swapping gimmick.[/quote]

Robot mode, may be a bit harder. The headmaster gimmick is not something I see them doing on a retool though, even on a Prowl retool.

But since this mold's chest is entirely fake, something can be aded there for that faction swapping. Not spring loaded, but a rotatable panel might work.

So with the ninja star and chesticles I suppose roadpig was the original intention for the mold?

Dang, just got an email from Walmart that my Cannonball pre-order was pushed back to mid-August.

Gearslide wrote:Dang, just got an email from Walmart that my Cannonball pre-order was pushed back to mid-August.

Same, though I don't know which specific figure it was for, it's safe to say it's going to go for all of the Deluxe figures. Kinda funny that they're throwing Hasbro under the bus instead of some wishy-washy vague excuse.

Order Date: 3/14/2024
Item Name(s): Transformers Legacy United Deluxe Star Raider

The updated release date is now: 08/16/2024

We are sorry if this date change is an inconvenience. The product manufacturer controls the release date for this product and we willl ship it to you as quickly as we can once it is released.

Emerje

Funny thing is, my Filch just got moved up on Pulse and will ship this week

Emerje wrote:I hope a third party does a proper windshield and headlights that can be popped over the current one and maybe have the glass detach and snap over his belly somehow, that would be great. But as is, he really turned out good, especially that head sculpt. It's interesting that the one with the box has black thighs like the original figure, but the one in the gallery has red thighs like the original box art and prototype. I hope we're getting the latter, it looks really good with more red, but the art on the side of the new box appears to have black thighs so maybe that's not possible with the parts layout? I can't really tell what the forearms are parted with since they're red in all photos, but it seems the shoulder joints and thighs are one one sprue while the wheels, ankle joint, knee joint and neck joint are on another. That makes it hard to tell just what they could be planning for the final figure. Hopefully we get an update from Mark or Sam that explains the actual colors when these are officially announced.

I hope they come back to this later, I'd like an RID Axer even if he is just the same figure without the red and a little dark blue. This mold may not suit Armada Sideways but it does suit his Robot Masters counterpart.



Plus it would be really cool if they did some unfinished business and did a special chromed out Soundwave figure that was canceled. Would they do Microman Road Bison? Can't really see it, but it's a really good looking silver version of the mold.

Emerje

A robotmasters Sideways repaint of the mold would be cool if only because of the insanely deep cut.

Rtron wrote:

Emerje wrote:I hope a third party does a proper windshield and headlights that can be popped over the current one and maybe have the glass detach and snap over his belly somehow, that would be great. But as is, he really turned out good, especially that head sculpt. It's interesting that the one with the box has black thighs like the original figure, but the one in the gallery has red thighs like the original box art and prototype. I hope we're getting the latter, it looks really good with more red, but the art on the side of the new box appears to have black thighs so maybe that's not possible with the parts layout? I can't really tell what the forearms are parted with since they're red in all photos, but it seems the shoulder joints and thighs are one one sprue while the wheels, ankle joint, knee joint and neck joint are on another. That makes it hard to tell just what they could be planning for the final figure. Hopefully we get an update from Mark or Sam that explains the actual colors when these are officially announced.

I hope they come back to this later, I'd like an RID Axer even if he is just the same figure without the red and a little dark blue. This mold may not suit Armada Sideways but it does suit his Robot Masters counterpart.



Plus it would be really cool if they did some unfinished business and did a special chromed out Soundwave figure that was canceled. Would they do Microman Road Bison? Can't really see it, but it's a really good looking silver version of the mold.

Emerje

A robotmasters Sideways repaint of the mold would be cool if only because of the insanely deep cut.

Here's something that chops stuff right off:

Emerje wrote:Same, though I don't know which specific figure it was for, it's safe to say it's going to go for all of the Deluxe figures. Kinda funny that they're throwing Hasbro under the bus instead of some wishy-washy vague excuse.

I'm sure you are correct. I only ordered Lockdown from the first batch, and got the same notice. RoadPig...was September I think? In any case, it wouldn't be a Walmart pre-order without a delay, that's fine, as long as it isn't cancelled. At least they made them all available, unlike the last 2 series where the only ones I wanted never got a pre-order listing on Walmart.

Emerje wrote:

Gearslide wrote:Dang, just got an email from Walmart that my Cannonball pre-order was pushed back to mid-August.

Same, though I don't know which specific figure it was for, it's safe to say it's going to go for all of the Deluxe figures. Kinda funny that they're throwing Hasbro under the bus instead of some wishy-washy vague excuse.

Order Date: 3/14/2024
Item Name(s): Transformers Legacy United Deluxe Star Raider

The updated release date is now: 08/16/2024

We are sorry if this date change is an inconvenience. The product manufacturer controls the release date for this product and we willl ship it to you as quickly as we can once it is released.

Emerje

This is all over the place. Walmart Canada got their packs for Filch and are shipping them out, but they delayed lockdown.

At least it means Walmart and Pulse are getting solid cases for their online orders

The Legacy Star Raiders line is upon us. Hasbrouck Pulse shipped out Ferak a little while ago and are now shipping Filch. The better news is that Wal-Mart is shipping Filch out in Canada, meaning that a North American Wal-Mart is rolling out their stock. It also means that the web orders are using solid case packs, as intended, leaving assorted cases for retail. Below is a review of Filch and images comparing her to the original Airazor mold.

As you'll see, Hasbro gave this character extra attention and this seems to be the best version of the mold yet.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Gearslide wrote:Dang, just got an email from Walmart that my Cannonball pre-order was pushed back to mid-August.

Same, though I don't know which specific figure it was for, it's safe to say it's going to go for all of the Deluxe figures. Kinda funny that they're throwing Hasbro under the bus instead of some wishy-washy vague excuse.

Order Date: 3/14/2024
Item Name(s): Transformers Legacy United Deluxe Star Raider

The updated release date is now: 08/16/2024

We are sorry if this date change is an inconvenience. The product manufacturer controls the release date for this product and we willl ship it to you as quickly as we can once it is released.

Emerje

This is all over the place. Walmart Canada got their packs for Filch and are shipping them out, but they delayed lockdown.

At least it means Walmart and Pulse are getting solid cases for their online orders

Canada for sure, but you'll recall in the US during the Velocitron line they refused to use solid cases even online. Not sure if that was true for the Toxitron line but it seemed that way.

Emerje

Oh, Pulse just charged me for the Go-bots set and Target says the United set is shipping soon.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Gearslide wrote:Dang, just got an email from Walmart that my Cannonball pre-order was pushed back to mid-August.

Same, though I don't know which specific figure it was for, it's safe to say it's going to go for all of the Deluxe figures. Kinda funny that they're throwing Hasbro under the bus instead of some wishy-washy vague excuse.

Order Date: 3/14/2024
Item Name(s): Transformers Legacy United Deluxe Star Raider

The updated release date is now: 08/16/2024

We are sorry if this date change is an inconvenience. The product manufacturer controls the release date for this product and we willl ship it to you as quickly as we can once it is released.

Emerje

This is all over the place. Walmart Canada got their packs for Filch and are shipping them out, but they delayed lockdown.

At least it means Walmart and Pulse are getting solid cases for their online orders

Canada for sure, but you'll recall in the US during the Velocitron line they refused to use solid cases even online. Not sure if that was true for the Toxitron line but it seemed that way.

Emerje

Ah right. If the US has them all coming out at the same time then maybe they arent getting solid cases.

Got notice overnight that my Filch and go-bots 3 pack have been charged and prepping to ship

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

Just got my notice that the Cliffjumper pack shipped from Target

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

william-james88 wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

That's peculiar! But some of these new characters/toys seem to speak to us as a whole. Sometimes the toy just WORKS for a character. It's good to see in a franchise with so many established characters.

~ Grim

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

That's peculiar! But some of these new characters/toys seem to speak to us as a whole. Sometimes the toy just WORKS for a character. It's good to see in a franchise with so many established characters.

~ Grim

That's just it though. She's not a new character. She's from an episode of Robots in Disguise 2015 that nobody really cared about. Yet, here she is getting the premium toy treatment from a Hasbro team who wasn't in charge back when she first debuted and disappeared never to be seen or heard from again until now.

Sabrblade wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

That's peculiar! But some of these new characters/toys seem to speak to us as a whole. Sometimes the toy just WORKS for a character. It's good to see in a franchise with so many established characters.

~ Grim

That's just it though. She's not a new character. She's from an episode of Robots in Disguise 2015 that nobody really cared about. Yet, here she is getting the premium toy treatment from a Hasbro team who wasn't in charge back when she first debuted and disappeared never to be seen or heard from again until now.

Legacy give lots of love to so many obscure characters that either barely had any toys made, of never had any. And I really love it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

That's peculiar! But some of these new characters/toys seem to speak to us as a whole. Sometimes the toy just WORKS for a character. It's good to see in a franchise with so many established characters.

~ Grim

That's just it though. She's not a new character. She's from an episode of Robots in Disguise 2015 that nobody really cared about. Yet, here she is getting the premium toy treatment from a Hasbro team who wasn't in charge back when she first debuted and disappeared never to be seen or heard from again until now.

And I truly hope more RiD2015 cons finally get that love!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

That's peculiar! But some of these new characters/toys seem to speak to us as a whole. Sometimes the toy just WORKS for a character. It's good to see in a franchise with so many established characters.

~ Grim

That's just it though. She's not a new character. She's from an episode of Robots in Disguise 2015 that nobody really cared about. Yet, here she is getting the premium toy treatment from a Hasbro team who wasn't in charge back when she first debuted and disappeared never to be seen or heard from again until now.

And I truly hope more RiD2015 cons finally get that love!

Oh man, there were so many amazing designs we never got decent toys of. I personally really loved that Octopunch, Vertebrek and Kickback design.

Also, I'd like to point out that I find this Filch very different from the "Prime Universe" toys we got. The two headsculpts are not at all Gi-ified to fit within a more cohesive line. They feel proper to the actual cartoon (granted, the scale is way off).

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Stuff and things.

I have zero attachment to this character but she looks like a really FUN figure!

~ Grim

That's what's so interesting here, absolutely no one has any attachment to the character. She was a one off villain, who was simpler in ambition than most, who we barely saw in robot mode (and never saw from the front), and yet Hasbro goes all out on the toy. We are all basically appreciating her for the first time.

That's peculiar! But some of these new characters/toys seem to speak to us as a whole. Sometimes the toy just WORKS for a character. It's good to see in a franchise with so many established characters.

~ Grim

That's just it though. She's not a new character. She's from an episode of Robots in Disguise 2015 that nobody really cared about. Yet, here she is getting the premium toy treatment from a Hasbro team who wasn't in charge back when she first debuted and disappeared never to be seen or heard from again until now.

And I truly hope more RiD2015 cons finally get that love!

Oh man, there were so many amazing designs we never got decent toys of. I personally really loved that Octopunch, Vertebrek and Kickback design.

Also, I'd like to point out that I find this Filch very different from the "Prime Universe" toys we got. The two headsculpts are not at all Gi-ified to fit within a more cohesive line. They feel proper to the actual cartoon (granted, the scale is way off).

I long for Chop Shop and a larger Clampdown

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I long for Chop Shop and a larger Clampdown

I was literally just lamenting our lack of a Chop Shop figure the other day. He's such a cool idea, and would have been so easy to make, just make him a combiner made of different sized ball-type Mini-cons that can also be spiders. If Bakugan can do it they can.



Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:That's just it though. She's not a new character. She's from an episode of Robots in Disguise 2015 that nobody really cared about. Yet, here she is getting the premium toy treatment from a Hasbro team who wasn't in charge back when she first debuted and disappeared never to be seen or heard from again until now.

That's kinda what I mean by "new". She's a one and done (though I forget that show was so long ago, relatively speaking.), she's not a Prime, a Wheeljack or a Starscream. Hell, she's not even a Xaaron (he was in the comics a LOT in the UK before Furman brought him Stateside.), and we're getting him too! This line has been a joy.

~ Grim

Just got notice that comic Grimlock is preparing to ship from Pulse

Opened up deluxe Hot Shot this weekend and what a disappointment. It just feels like a devolved, budget version of the original with a couple floppy ankle tilts added to satisfy the sweaty masses.

I feel like an ungrateful, petulant child for saying this, but I want them to stop re-visiting Unicron Trilogy characters. Outside of Cybertron Starscream (edit: and Armada Hot Shot), not one of these feels like a big enough improvement to justify the work required to make a new toy.

If they want to put out re-dos of stuff like Armada Scavenger or Sideswipe that were full-blown gimmick toys, ok, I get that. Do it. Re-doing a legit highlight of the Cybertron line like Hot Shot and not materially improving it almost 20 years later is embarrassing.

Anyway I don't have the energy to keep being negative, so here's an unexpected positive - that Kingdom Cyclonus alt mode looks really nice in Ferak colors now that I have it in hand. Good stuff.

ScottyP wrote:Opened up deluxe Hot Shot this weekend and what a disappointment. It just feels like a devolved, budget version of the original with a couple floppy ankle tilts added to satisfy the sweaty masses.

I feel like an ungrateful, petulant child for saying this, but I want them to stop re-visiting Unicron Trilogy characters. Outside of Cybertron Starscream (edit: and Armada Hot Shot), not one of these feels like a big enough improvement to justify the work required to make a new toy.

If they want to put out re-dos of stuff like Armada Scavenger or Sideswipe that were full-blown gimmick toys, ok, I get that. Do it. Re-doing a legit highlight of the Cybertron line like Hot Shot and not materially improving it almost 20 years later is embarrassing.

Anyway I don't have the energy to keep being negative, so here's an unexpected positive - that Kingdom Cyclonus alt mode looks really nice in Ferak colors now that I have it in hand. Good stuff.

While I'd add Armada Prime to you list, I share this sentiment. Doing redos of Unicron Trilogy toys was always going to be a mixed bag, because so much of the identity of those toys is tied to the gimmicks that it's difficult to make a gimmick-less version without diminishing the toy's fun. This is particularly notorious with Cybertron toys, because they're not as badly articulated as Armada and Energon, so it doesn't even feel like a trade off of dropping features to get articulation. I mean, it's the line right before Classics, and I can think of only two Classics toys you could "re do" nowadays and make it feel like an upgrade and not a downgrade.

This is why I'm of the opinion that they shouldn't re do ALL the Transmetals, for example. There's no way they'll do Optimus, Megatron or Cheetor better than the originals in any meaningful way. The only two real candidates there would be MAYBE Rampage and Depth Charge. Perhaps Tarantulas and Rattrap, but there'd be a big chance of them not being able to deliver with those two also.

Rtron wrote:
While I'd add Armada Prime to you list, I share this sentiment. Doing redos of Unicron Trilogy toys was always going to be a mixed bag, because so much of the identity of those toys is tied to the gimmicks that it's difficult to make a gimmick-less version without diminishing the toy's fun. This is particularly notorious with Cybertron toys, because they're not as badly articulated as Armada and Energon, so it doesn't even feel like a trade off of dropping features to get articulation. I mean, it's the line right before Classics, and I can think of only two Classics toys you could "re do" nowadays and make it feel like an upgrade and not a downgrade.

This is why I'm of the opinion that they shouldn't re do ALL the Transmetals, for example. There's no way they'll do Optimus, Megatron or Cheetor better than the originals in any meaningful way. The only two real candidates there would be MAYBE Rampage and Depth Charge. Perhaps Tarantulas and Rattrap, but there'd be a big chance of them not being able to deliver with those two also.

Fair point on Prime. It was a wash for me - super mode articulation offset by a mailed-in base mode and no Mini-Con - but yeah, it wasn't bad at all. Tidal Wave is fine and does something new by being huge but I have a list of other issues with it.

I think we all (generally/collectively, not literally) remember the intrusive gimmicks of that era too often while not appreciating how well integrated they were in most cases. For every oddly proportioned Energon Combat or Mega Class like Prowl or Jetfire there's a real standout like Rodimus or Beachcomber.

I say all that and Hot Shot had a totally different problem of just feeling cheap. Dunno if that's from budget concerns or the designers not having passion for UT or some mix of those, but it's just off regardless. A lack of attention to detail is evident just by looking at the wing spoiler piece things being the wrong color. There's cartoon accuracy, toy accuracy, and then what Hot Shot does with "Legends Class toy only" accuracy. Especially weird is them being correct on some of the design material Mark showed off for it. Ah well, it still wouldn't fix the always shrugged shoulders, ankle tilt done by making a block cutout or his dopey, hollow gun.

Some of these characters are probably better served by "Missing Link" style engineering, those BW Transmetals included. Take the original, add some movement here and there, call it a day. Heck, Rampage might not even need that much. A reissue without flaking chrome carapace would be very satisfying, even if I personally need that for Shockaract more than Rampage

I wholeheartedly agree on wanting a more "Missing Link" approach for some of these characters that had more accurate original figures, with small changes like new headsculpts or extra steps in places like Transmetal Rattrap's backpack. However, that would also mean they'd come with a Missing Link price tag, which would not be viable in the current setup of the Studio Series / Legacy Generations lines. But yeah, that'd be my preferred approach with lines like Transmetals or Cybertron, which were already pretty show accurate and had a bunch of features integral to the toys' identity.

Rtron wrote:I wholeheartedly agree on wanting a more "Missing Link" approach for some of these characters that had more accurate original figures, with small changes like new headsculpts or extra steps in places like Transmetal Rattrap's backpack. However, that would also mean they'd come with a Missing Link price tag, which would not be viable in the current setup of the Studio Series / Legacy Generations lines. But yeah, that'd be my preferred approach with lines like Transmetals or Cybertron, which were already pretty show accurate and had a bunch of features integral to the toys' identity.

As far as Transmetal go, don't forget Dragon Megatron. I own both the original and the Legacy one. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both are equally good IMO. So, if they made the update of Dragon Megatron this good, I don't see how they could fail the other Transmetals. Contrary to Armada, Transmetal was not gimmick heavy so their updates are easy enough to do.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:I wholeheartedly agree on wanting a more "Missing Link" approach for some of these characters that had more accurate original figures, with small changes like new headsculpts or extra steps in places like Transmetal Rattrap's backpack. However, that would also mean they'd come with a Missing Link price tag, which would not be viable in the current setup of the Studio Series / Legacy Generations lines. But yeah, that'd be my preferred approach with lines like Transmetals or Cybertron, which were already pretty show accurate and had a bunch of features integral to the toys' identity.

As far as Transmetal go, don't forget Dragon Megatron. I own both the original and the Legacy one. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both are equally good IMO. So, if they made the update of Dragon Megatron this good, I don't see how they could fail the other Transmetals. Contrary to Armada, Transmetal was not gimmick heavy so their updates are easy enough to do.

Because Megatron was a Transmetal 2, and Transmetal 2s in general are less screen accurate than the original Transmetals, so there's a perceptible gain there when redoing them. They also rely less on material and surface finishes like translucent plastics, metallized plastics and chrome for their "good toy feel". The original Transmetals, however, are already super accurate, so there's not much to be gained there, and rely a lot on finishes that I'm not quite sure they'd be able to replicate on today's budget for a Generations line. So the only real difference would be articulation... An area which Beast Wars already does pretty well. So what I think is that with Transmetals you'd basically end up having smaller, less featured, less sturdy, chromeless versions of the old toys, where the only net positive is probably going to be ankle tilts and a new headsculpt.

I see you point about Transmetal ONE.
Usually, is stingy on paint so I can see the issues about less chrome.

But imagine. T-Rex Megatron Transmetal WITHOUT GPS.
And leader sized.

In a in a past Q&A with Hasbro, they have said that if they were to do new versions of the transmetal figures, they would find a way to work around the lack of vacuum-metalized chrome paint, implying that it would be shiny metallic paint instead.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I see you point about Transmetal ONE.
Usually, is stingy on paint so I can see the issues about less chrome.

But imagine. T-Rex Megatron Transmetal WITHOUT GPS.
And leader sized.

My Megatron's waist is still intact, somehow, despite me opening the whole thing then putting it back together as I little child, back in 1999 or 2000 I think. I did that because one day his hips just came apart spontaneously. I still don't know what happened, nothing was broken, his legs just fell off. Managed to fix it by just opening the toy up and putting them in place, never came loose again. Once the waist inevitably breaks, I'll see if I can design a 3D printed replacement.

Sabrblade wrote:In a in a past Q&A with Hasbro, they have said that if they were to do new versions of the transmetal figures, they would find a way to work around the lack of vacuum-metalized chrome paint, implying that it would be shiny metallic paint instead.

Well, see, this stuff is subjective, but I personally would consider losing the chrome for ankle tilts and a headsculpt a downgrade.

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:I wholeheartedly agree on wanting a more "Missing Link" approach for some of these characters that had more accurate original figures, with small changes like new headsculpts or extra steps in places like Transmetal Rattrap's backpack. However, that would also mean they'd come with a Missing Link price tag, which would not be viable in the current setup of the Studio Series / Legacy Generations lines. But yeah, that'd be my preferred approach with lines like Transmetals or Cybertron, which were already pretty show accurate and had a bunch of features integral to the toys' identity.

As far as Transmetal go, don't forget Dragon Megatron. I own both the original and the Legacy one. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both are equally good IMO. So, if they made the update of Dragon Megatron this good, I don't see how they could fail the other Transmetals. Contrary to Armada, Transmetal was not gimmick heavy so their updates are easy enough to do.

Because Megatron was a Transmetal 2, and Transmetal 2s in general are less screen accurate than the original Transmetals, so there's a perceptible gain there when redoing them. They also rely less on material and surface finishes like translucent plastics, metallized plastics and chrome for their "good toy feel". The original Transmetals, however, are already super accurate, so there's not much to be gained there, and rely a lot on finishes that I'm not quite sure they'd be able to replicate on today's budget for a Generations line. So the only real difference would be articulation... An area which Beast Wars already does pretty well. So what I think is that with Transmetals you'd basically end up having smaller, less featured, less sturdy, chromeless versions of the old toys, where the only net positive is probably going to be ankle tilts and a new headsculpt.

The only Transmetal I really want, is one they will never do: IDW Sins of the Wreckers, Tarantulas. He is pretty much just regular Transmetal Tarantulas, but a few minor changes. It would be awesome if they actually used fur around his neck/shoulders in robot mode.

I've never really been a fan of the vac metal finishes, they scratch too easily and wear out too fast. So I'm gonna say something probably unpopular, but, I am fine if, most, Transmetal remakes don't have it.

Also I would like a Transmetal 2 Cheetor. Both modes on that were nice. So brutal and sweet looking.

Hero Alpha wrote:

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:I wholeheartedly agree on wanting a more "Missing Link" approach for some of these characters that had more accurate original figures, with small changes like new headsculpts or extra steps in places like Transmetal Rattrap's backpack. However, that would also mean they'd come with a Missing Link price tag, which would not be viable in the current setup of the Studio Series / Legacy Generations lines. But yeah, that'd be my preferred approach with lines like Transmetals or Cybertron, which were already pretty show accurate and had a bunch of features integral to the toys' identity.

As far as Transmetal go, don't forget Dragon Megatron. I own both the original and the Legacy one. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both are equally good IMO. So, if they made the update of Dragon Megatron this good, I don't see how they could fail the other Transmetals. Contrary to Armada, Transmetal was not gimmick heavy so their updates are easy enough to do.

Because Megatron was a Transmetal 2, and Transmetal 2s in general are less screen accurate than the original Transmetals, so there's a perceptible gain there when redoing them. They also rely less on material and surface finishes like translucent plastics, metallized plastics and chrome for their "good toy feel". The original Transmetals, however, are already super accurate, so there's not much to be gained there, and rely a lot on finishes that I'm not quite sure they'd be able to replicate on today's budget for a Generations line. So the only real difference would be articulation... An area which Beast Wars already does pretty well. So what I think is that with Transmetals you'd basically end up having smaller, less featured, less sturdy, chromeless versions of the old toys, where the only net positive is probably going to be ankle tilts and a new headsculpt.

The only Transmetal I really want, is one they will never do: IDW Sins of the Wreckers, Tarantulas. He is pretty much just regular Transmetal Tarantulas, but a few minor changes. It would be awesome if they actually used fur around his neck/shoulders in robot mode.

I've never really been a fan of the vac metal finishes, they scratch too easily and wear out too fast. So I'm gonna say something probably unpopular, but, I am fine if, most, Transmetal remakes don't have it.

Also I would like a Transmetal 2 Cheetor. Both modes on that were nice. So brutal and sweet looking.

IF the Transformers budget was still what it used to be, maybe they could do an IDW Tarantulas with FLOCKED spider parts. It'd be insane. The one beast guy I really want from IDW1 is Tidal Wave, though.

I get why some people dislike the chrome, but in the case of Transmetals I think it's just to big a part of their look, both as toys and characters. But hey, I won't mind so much any re do's lacking it if there's reissues or something of the originals too.

Rtron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In a in a past Q&A with Hasbro, they have said that if they were to do new versions of the transmetal figures, they would find a way to work around the lack of vacuum-metalized chrome paint, implying that it would be shiny metallic paint instead.

Well, see, this stuff is subjective, but I personally would consider losing the chrome for ankle tilts and a headsculpt a downgrade.

Shininess can still achieved without delicate flaking chrome.

Just taking a cursory look at some auctions on eBay...

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In a in a past Q&A with Hasbro, they have said that if they were to do new versions of the transmetal figures, they would find a way to work around the lack of vacuum-metalized chrome paint, implying that it would be shiny metallic paint instead.

Well, see, this stuff is subjective, but I personally would consider losing the chrome for ankle tilts and a headsculpt a downgrade.

Shininess can still achieved without delicate flaking chrome.

Just taking a cursory look at some auctions on eBay...

I could also show you some pretty much pristine examples from my childhood toybox. I get some people don't like the chrome, I personally like it and wouldn't trade it for some extra articulation, given how accurate most Transmetals are. My point is that there's lines with which Generations is not automatically a clear cut upgrade the way it is with G1 or original Beast Wars. Unicron Trilogy is definitely one where it's not really an upgrade, but a trade off, and one that can feel like a downgrade, and Transmetals 1 would also be one of those if they ever attempted it.

Years ago, I bought that big Beast Machine vehicon jet, brand new and sealed.
It was autumn inside that box.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Years ago, I bought that big Beast Machine vehicon jet, brand new and sealed.
It was autumn inside that box.

Somehow, most copies of the Cyclonus version of the toy, which came out only two years later, seem to be miraculously immune to the chrome flaking. Not sure about the 2005 Japanese Jetstorm, though.

ScottyP wrote:If they want to put out re-dos of stuff like Armada Scavenger or Sideswipe that were full-blown gimmick toys, ok, I get that. Do it. Re-doing a legit highlight of the Cybertron line like Hot Shot and not materially improving it almost 20 years later is embarrassing.

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Replace with : Vector Prime

No joke, Vector Prime is a highlight of not just the Cybertron line but the brand as a whole. Such an intricate design and a toy with such magestic presence.

Only to be shrunken down and have his uniqueness removed by sharing a mold and not even bothering with enough retooling to hide vestigial bits.

As for something positive, I chose to mess around with Legacy Magmatron again today. What a well done toy. TF toy of the year so far for me and by a significant margin.