MP-13B Soundblaster Additional Images: Closer Look at Ratbat!
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Comment by RiddlerJ
Mar 19, 2014
Want that Ratbat soooo baaaad. 
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Comment by Rated X
Mar 19, 2014
Ill never get the logic behind the MP scale. Soundwave doubles in size, but the cassettes stay the same and retain G1 toy scale ? Dumb as hell but it works for me since the cassettes scale perfect with classics. I really want that ratbat without having to buy another useless coffee table figure. KO guys please make it happen...
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Comment by reluctantyouth
Mar 19, 2014
I 2nd the KO idea please 
...not going to buy a repaint mold just for Ratbat 
. I already have 4 Masterpiece Soundwave (1 open and keeping the other three in box) 
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~reluctantyouth~
...not going to buy a repaint mold just for Ratbat . I already have 4 Masterpiece Soundwave (1 open and keeping the other three in box) .~reluctantyouth~
Re: MP-13B Soundblaster Additional Images: Closer Look at Ratbat!
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really?.. you don't understand the logic behind the MP scale.. what is it that you don't understand?.. is it that they didn't want to make MP soundwaves chest gigantic, but rather keep it relatively in scale to itself?.. or that they wanted MP soundwave to obtain the ability to house the cassettes in his chest.. which, leads me back to my first point..
so.. again, which don't you understand?
not sure how it's "dumb as hell".. but hey, you can continue to believe it.
Comment by TimothyR
Mar 19, 2014
Rated X wrote:Ill never get the logic behind the MP scale. Soundwave doubles in size, but the cassettes stay the same and retain G1 toy scale ? Dumb as hell but it works for me since the cassettes scale perfect with classics. I really want that ratbat without having to buy another useless coffee table figure. KO guys please make it happen...
really?.. you don't understand the logic behind the MP scale.. what is it that you don't understand?.. is it that they didn't want to make MP soundwaves chest gigantic, but rather keep it relatively in scale to itself?.. or that they wanted MP soundwave to obtain the ability to house the cassettes in his chest.. which, leads me back to my first point..
so.. again, which don't you understand?
not sure how it's "dumb as hell".. but hey, you can continue to believe it.
Re: MP-13B Soundblaster Additional Images: Closer Look at Ratbat!
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It's the same reason that the Ravage that came with Universe Hound was likewise scaled to fit inside G1 Soundwave's chest (though, specifically the remolded chest version, which Hasbro did release at TRU during Classics).
Not to mention that the G1 Soundwave chest was proportionately huge compared to the rest of his body. Guy looked liked billboard with limbs and a head.
But keeping that chest door size scaled as it was and upscaling the rest of his body brings out a more reasonably proportioned bot, with proportions that not only look more natural but also match up with his cartoon model proportions. Otherwise, had G1 Soundwave been proportionally-correct from the beginning, either his G1 toy would have already been MP-sized (like G1 Blaster's toy was) or his chest door and cassettes would have been teeny-tiny. 
Comment by Sabrblade
Mar 19, 2014
Isn't it obvious? It's for backtrack compatibility with the G1 Soundwave and Blaster toys. It's to give them an extra level of playability across both lines to let them each use each other's cassettes.Rated X wrote:Ill never get the logic behind the MP scale. Soundwave doubles in size, but the cassettes stay the same and retain G1 toy scale ? Dumb as hell but it works for me since the cassettes scale perfect with classics. I really want that ratbat without having to buy another useless coffee table figure. KO guys please make it happen...
It's the same reason that the Ravage that came with Universe Hound was likewise scaled to fit inside G1 Soundwave's chest (though, specifically the remolded chest version, which Hasbro did release at TRU during Classics).
Not to mention that the G1 Soundwave chest was proportionately huge compared to the rest of his body. Guy looked liked billboard with limbs and a head.
But keeping that chest door size scaled as it was and upscaling the rest of his body brings out a more reasonably proportioned bot, with proportions that not only look more natural but also match up with his cartoon model proportions. Otherwise, had G1 Soundwave been proportionally-correct from the beginning, either his G1 toy would have already been MP-sized (like G1 Blaster's toy was) or his chest door and cassettes would have been teeny-tiny.
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Comment by chuckdawg1999
Mar 19, 2014
I don't know how but there has to be a way to release rat bat without Soundblaster. Then again there might be more cassettes on the way so this might get a summertime us release.
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I highly doubt there will be a release of Ratbat by himself or in a 2-pack. Wingthing, on the other hand...
Comment by megatronus
Mar 19, 2014
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I don't know how but there has to be a way to release rat bat without Soundblaster. Then again there might be more cassettes on the way so this might get a summertime us release.
I highly doubt there will be a release of Ratbat by himself or in a 2-pack. Wingthing, on the other hand...
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I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to realize that by not enlarging the cassettes, cartoon scale was sacrificed for "playability". in my honest opinion, playability was for kids toys (hence G1 toy scale) If Takara chose the toy scale over the cartoon scale, they dropped the ball. The MP line was supposed to be cartoon accurate. Am I the only adult on here who just displays $150 figures rather than "playing" with them ? Either way it works for me because now the casettes are really classics scale which is what I collect. MP Soundwave hangs out in the vintage cabinet next to his G1 counterpart still waiting to be transformed for the first time. One of these days...
Comment by Rated X
Mar 19, 2014
TimothyR wrote:Rated X wrote:Ill never get the logic behind the MP scale. Soundwave doubles in size, but the cassettes stay the same and retain G1 toy scale ? Dumb as hell but it works for me since the cassettes scale perfect with classics. I really want that ratbat without having to buy another useless coffee table figure. KO guys please make it happen...
really?.. you don't understand the logic behind the MP scale.. what is it that you don't understand?.. is it that they didn't want to make MP soundwaves chest gigantic, but rather keep it relatively in scale to itself?.. or that they wanted MP soundwave to obtain the ability to house the cassettes in his chest.. which, leads me back to my first point..
so.. again, which don't you understand?
not sure how it's "dumb as hell".. but hey, you can continue to believe it.
I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to realize that by not enlarging the cassettes, cartoon scale was sacrificed for "playability". in my honest opinion, playability was for kids toys (hence G1 toy scale) If Takara chose the toy scale over the cartoon scale, they dropped the ball. The MP line was supposed to be cartoon accurate. Am I the only adult on here who just displays $150 figures rather than "playing" with them ? Either way it works for me because now the casettes are really classics scale which is what I collect. MP Soundwave hangs out in the vintage cabinet next to his G1 counterpart still waiting to be transformed for the first time. One of these days...
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Comment by mooncake623
Mar 19, 2014
I don't know why people are against owning a Soundblaster. He displays nicely with Rodimus.
I'm going to display Rodimus fighting against Soundblaster and Sixshot(MMC's Hexatron) in a detolf.
I'm going to display Rodimus fighting against Soundblaster and Sixshot(MMC's Hexatron) in a detolf.
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Okay, in the cartoon Rumble (yes, the blue one) was about the same size as Spike, maybe a little taller. Scaling him to Spike would have made Rumble about an inch and a half tall. But at the same time, they show him as nearly as tall as Hound. And Bumblebee is a full sized car that ends up maybe 7' tall in robot mode.
Then there's this:
And this:
And this:
But aside from all of the sliding scales and mass-shifting, there is a very practical reason for the cassettes to be that size:
Laserbeak has to be the right size to interact with Soundwave (and eventually Megatron). Like 80% of Laserbeak's purpose in the series is to show who is in command of the Decepticons. He's been on my Soundwave's arm pretty much since I got them and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
Comment by zodconvoy
Mar 19, 2014
Rated X wrote:I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to realize that by not enlarging the cassettes, cartoon scale was sacrificed for "playability". in my honest opinion, playability was for kids toys (hence G1 toy scale) If Takara chose the toy scale over the cartoon scale, they dropped the ball. The MP line was supposed to be cartoon accurate. Am I the only adult on here who just displays $150 figures rather than "playing" with them ? Either way it works for me because now the casettes are really classics scale which is what I collect. MP Soundwave hangs out in the vintage cabinet next to his G1 counterpart still waiting to be transformed for the first time. One of these days...
Okay, in the cartoon Rumble (yes, the blue one) was about the same size as Spike, maybe a little taller. Scaling him to Spike would have made Rumble about an inch and a half tall. But at the same time, they show him as nearly as tall as Hound. And Bumblebee is a full sized car that ends up maybe 7' tall in robot mode.
Then there's this:
And this:
And this:
But aside from all of the sliding scales and mass-shifting, there is a very practical reason for the cassettes to be that size:
Laserbeak has to be the right size to interact with Soundwave (and eventually Megatron). Like 80% of Laserbeak's purpose in the series is to show who is in command of the Decepticons. He's been on my Soundwave's arm pretty much since I got them and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
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MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
Comment by megatronus
Mar 19, 2014
zodconvoy wrote:...and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
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It was originally MP-50 but that made me too sad to post it!
Comment by zodconvoy
Mar 19, 2014
megatronus wrote:zodconvoy wrote:...and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
It was originally MP-50 but that made me too sad to post it!
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Agreed, man... the scale of the cassettes never bothered me, as in the show there was never a consistent size to them in the first place, except Laserbeak's shoulder/arm perching. the MP Laserbeak fits that scale perfectly, and the other cassettes scale with him so they all have the same sized cassette mode. Makes completely logical sense to me.
Comment by Samsonator
Mar 19, 2014
zodconvoy wrote:A whole buncha truth about the cartoon's "scale"
Agreed, man... the scale of the cassettes never bothered me, as in the show there was never a consistent size to them in the first place, except Laserbeak's shoulder/arm perching. the MP Laserbeak fits that scale perfectly, and the other cassettes scale with him so they all have the same sized cassette mode. Makes completely logical sense to me.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
Mar 19, 2014
I didn't realize the MP Cassettes were the same size as the G1 Cassettes. This changes things for me, at least. I actually like Soundblaster's colors better than Soundwave, so I was gonna buy him for Ratbat, and just use him as my Soundwave. But now that I know the cassettes are the same size, I might pass or just wait a while until he is cheaper. I'm contemplating picking up a complete G1 Ratbat instead, it would still be a lot cheaper than the MP, even if it doesn't look as good or it isn't as accurate.
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gona get it!
Comment by toyskingstudio
Mar 19, 2014
gona get it!
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Guys, guys, guys, we're getting a little hopeful, here.
It's totally MP-100.
Comment by Mindmaster
Mar 20, 2014
zodconvoy wrote:megatronus wrote:zodconvoy wrote:...and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
It was originally MP-50 but that made me too sad to post it!
Guys, guys, guys, we're getting a little hopeful, here.
It's totally MP-100.
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I'll be really happy if this line makes it to MP-100. think about that's 100 MPs!!!
Comment by mooncake623
Mar 20, 2014
Mindmaster wrote:zodconvoy wrote:megatronus wrote:zodconvoy wrote:...and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
It was originally MP-50 but that made me too sad to post it!
Guys, guys, guys, we're getting a little hopeful, here.
It's totally MP-100.
I'll be really happy if this line makes it to MP-100. think about that's 100 MPs!!!
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Comment by Sabrblade
Mar 20, 2014
And Unicron will be MP-666Mindmaster wrote:zodconvoy wrote:megatronus wrote:zodconvoy wrote:...and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
It was originally MP-50 but that made me too sad to post it!
Guys, guys, guys, we're getting a little hopeful, here.
It's totally MP-100.
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That was pretty clever. Ten internetz to you!
Comment by Mindmaster
Mar 20, 2014
Sabrblade wrote:And Unicron will be MP-666Mindmaster wrote:zodconvoy wrote:megatronus wrote:zodconvoy wrote:...and he's probably going to stay there until MP-30 Megatron comes out.
MP-30? Your realistic expectations makes me sad.
It was originally MP-50 but that made me too sad to post it!
Guys, guys, guys, we're getting a little hopeful, here.
It's totally MP-100.
That was pretty clever. Ten internetz to you!
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i think if theres another (takara) two pack MP cassette set released, itll be overkill and slugfest.
i dont see what the gripe over this set is. they are clearly trying to get as much as they can out of every MP mold they design. and soundwave only has two uses. and it makes sense that they would add some incentive to rebuy the mold (ratbat). id say the purple window is just too similar to soundwave, but with the red window he look awesome!
so:
-sweet looking repaint
-awesome mold to begin with
-new tape
that equals a buy to me!
Comment by shajaki
Mar 20, 2014
megatronus wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I don't know how but there has to be a way to release rat bat without Soundblaster. Then again there might be more cassettes on the way so this might get a summertime us release.
I highly doubt there will be a release of Ratbat by himself or in a 2-pack. Wingthing, on the other hand...
i think if theres another (takara) two pack MP cassette set released, itll be overkill and slugfest.
i dont see what the gripe over this set is. they are clearly trying to get as much as they can out of every MP mold they design. and soundwave only has two uses. and it makes sense that they would add some incentive to rebuy the mold (ratbat). id say the purple window is just too similar to soundwave, but with the red window he look awesome!
so:
-sweet looking repaint
-awesome mold to begin with
-new tape
that equals a buy to me!
