The images come from a review by PrimevsPrime. All shots below are of the robot mode because the car mode in the video is incomplete and we would rather not confuse you with it. You can see the original review here.
New In Hand Images of Studio Series Crosshairs with Comparisons
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The images come from a review by PrimevsPrime. All shots below are of the robot mode because the car mode in the video is incomplete and we would rather not confuse you with it. You can see the original review here.
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Comment by primalxconvoy
Sep 4, 2022
More peachy tips from Seibertron, eh?
Anyway, saying the character "does not have a design that translates well to toys" is inaccurate. A more competent use of lexis would be "hasn't translated well (so far)", if one can accept it's more to do with subjective opinion than established fact. Still, the OP tried, I suppose, so there's that?
Anyway, saying the character "does not have a design that translates well to toys" is inaccurate. A more competent use of lexis would be "hasn't translated well (so far)", if one can accept it's more to do with subjective opinion than established fact. Still, the OP tried, I suppose, so there's that?
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Comment by SpaceEagle
Sep 4, 2022
Poor ol' Crosshairs, has enough kibble to rival that of Arcee.
I do really like the upper body and colours of the Studio Series version, but the trenchcoat looks nicer on the previous toy. I might still pick it up if there's better ways to handle the kibble (official or not, à la Sentinel Prime's cape) because I still otherwise like the rest of it.
I do really like the upper body and colours of the Studio Series version, but the trenchcoat looks nicer on the previous toy. I might still pick it up if there's better ways to handle the kibble (official or not, à la Sentinel Prime's cape) because I still otherwise like the rest of it.
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Comment by blackeyedprime
Sep 4, 2022
Old figure looks better to me, that side view alone is enough to ensure it stays on the store pegs even at discount for me. The big hinges for the flaps is another. The head/face definitely looks more baynus for whatever that is worth.
Realistically if the vehicle mode is incomplete, then so is the bot mode. Might be a wait and see for better photos but I'm liking the colors and definition better on the old figure anyhoos.
Realistically if the vehicle mode is incomplete, then so is the bot mode. Might be a wait and see for better photos but I'm liking the colors and definition better on the old figure anyhoos.
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Comment by noctorro
Sep 4, 2022
Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
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I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
Comment by SpaceEagle
Sep 4, 2022
noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
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It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
Comment by primalxconvoy
Sep 4, 2022
SpaceEagle wrote:noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
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I will admit the Bayverse designs really helped toy companies with pushing the limits of engineering. I mean heck, HasTak have at least done some impressive stuff for their price point, but unofficial figures are absolutely slaying it with being able to make the figures as accurate as possible that can still transform convert between forms.
Comment by SpaceEagle
Sep 4, 2022
primalxconvoy wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:noctorro wrote:Well the paint and face look better. But man those bots have horrible designs of TF 4. They are just big dudes in space armor who can teleport in a vehicle mode.
If the robot mode doesn't resemble a vehicle at all, then you know what it is and can only be. A shellformer. Galvatron practically is a shellformer because his robot mode is just a sci fi space robot, not a Transformer.
I think I'll continue to hunt for the first version of Crosshairs since it has some feely value.
I definitely agree, 4 & 5's designs are amongst my least favourite because they don't even look like robots that are able transform into cars, just robots that happen to 'animorph' into a car. The toys did somewhat help me with liking the designs - but that's due to them actually embracing the car parts for some (I do like Drift's Bugatti toy, as an example, even if it's quite kibbly.)
It took 3P/KO versions of Bayverse characters for me to appreciate some of their aesthetic qualities, such as this upcoming, triple-changing version of Drift. It's great, although the copter mode isn't great.
(Source: - https://showzstore.com/metagate-haiku-drift_p4108.html )
I will admit the Bayverse designs really helped toy companies with pushing the limits of engineering. I mean heck, HasTak have at least done some impressive stuff for their price point, but unofficial figures are absolutely slaying it with being able to make the figures as accurate as possible that can still transform convert between forms.
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I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
Comment by Emerje
Sep 4, 2022
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:As always, if this is not the official version, it would be prudent to wait for actual retail versions being reviewed by legit YouTubers before we jump to any conclusions regarding any possible faults or defects in this mold. For all we know, the retail versions might differ considerably to ones by those giving us peegey tips, however "helpful" they may seem. This might even be true if the unboxed versions are BETTER than the originals, and we get our hopes up.
Don't these usually come right off the assembly line? Unless they have Hasbro's serial numbers printed directly on them they're probably final products. Do you have any examples of reviewed figures being different from the retail release (aside from blemishes and broken parts)?
Emerje
With 3P products, whenever they're reviewed, they're often accompanied by disclosures that they're pre-production samples (even if they're close to the final product or end up being exactly the same as the final product). This is how more honest YouTubers give us a look at such toys, while also giving us enough info to make more informed decisions prior to purchasing. In some cases, they even state that the companies are aware of certain faults and will (or already have) rectified them.
From personal experience, I've found some of the faults mentioned by those that have watched such unripe product reviews, don't always turn up in the Takara-Tomy versions, so I'm a little sceptical. That's why I usually only watch legit YouTube videos, as any faults mentioned in them might be more widespread.
I'm more interested in the facts, rather than "reviews" akin to fortune telling:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
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1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
Comment by primalxconvoy
Sep 4, 2022
Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
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They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
Comment by ZeroWolf
Sep 4, 2022
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
2/ I already mentioned the differences between "reviews" of (possibly stolen) pre-production samples and later official Takara-Tomy releases.
They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
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It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
Comment by -Kanrabat-
Sep 4, 2022
ZeroWolf wrote:They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
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I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
Comment by ZeroWolf
Sep 4, 2022
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:They are technically bootlegs though, with the IP theft and all, which I think Hasbro hates more then the early sample reviewers.
It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
And so often, the "fan art" one-up the officials by a large margin. Just look at anything Unique Toys are making.
I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
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"Same price range" is a bit hard to compare when things are produced by smaller companies in smaller quantities. So if I make any comparisons, I go with the same "category" if that makes any senses. Like "MP style" with other MP, "generations style" with Generations.
As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
The "MPM" that HASTAK won't make and the 100% original designs. Those are the 3P toys I prefer to collect.
Comment by -Kanrabat-
Sep 4, 2022
ZeroWolf wrote:I would only compare them if they're in the same price range as 3p have their fair share of advantages over hasbro. I would be far happier if more 3rd parties made their own IP, then Hasbro would see some real competition (something they've not had in a long while)
"Same price range" is a bit hard to compare when things are produced by smaller companies in smaller quantities. So if I make any comparisons, I go with the same "category" if that makes any senses. Like "MP style" with other MP, "generations style" with Generations.
As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
The "MPM" that HASTAK won't make and the 100% original designs. Those are the 3P toys I prefer to collect.
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Those are the ones I love, I've seen some great designs in that field.
Comment by ZeroWolf
Sep 4, 2022
-Kanrabat- wrote:As for original IP, there's tons of 3P companies who started with "fan art" and then made their own things with their own original designs that have ZERO "hommages" to any Transformers. Unfortunately, they don't have the power of a large corporation like Hasbro or Bandai to be real competitors.
Those are the ones I love, I've seen some great designs in that field.
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They aren't bootlegs, you're right, but they are unlicenced figures, stealing likeness owned by Hasbro (or Paramount). The fact that they come from a place which has more lax copyright laws cements that fact, we wouldn't get these from American companies. They are thiefs too, but you seem to be cool with them which makes you look like a major hypocrite (I don,t know who you re as a person, I am just stating how you come across in board interactions). I don't care what twisted and complex logic you write up, that is what you look like: a hypocrite which no one can take seriously, hence why I ignored you for years. However due to several complaints of lack of modding, I have "un-igored you" to remove posts that go against our rules, as you have noticed. You can't criticize or antagonize staff on baords. If you have issues, you know where to send a message. I am making the warnings very clear here so that you can know why you are banned in the future.
Moving on (the following is addressed to everyone), while my opinions on the design differences were in the article, I've since seen a lot of people reffer to the trenchcoat as a cape. And I agree, this does look more like a cape with extra flaps in the front of the robot and the fact that people are calling this a cape is a pretty good sign that there's been some failure in bringing the character's design to toy form.
However, it does look more sleek like in the film and he indeed looks more accurate when looking at the character head on, so still unsure about whether I will be picking him up or not.
Likeness is also included in IP theft. Some 3p, like the ones for the movie characters, would most definitely get a cease and desist if the toys came from an american based company. As I wrote above, 3p toys coming from a place that has very different laws in terms of copyright infringement is not a coincidence.
Comment by william-james88
Sep 4, 2022
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:
I'm talking about real Transformers, not bootleg garbage.
Emerje
1/ 3P TFs aren't "bootleg garbage".
They aren't bootlegs, you're right, but they are unlicenced figures, stealing likeness owned by Hasbro (or Paramount). The fact that they come from a place which has more lax copyright laws cements that fact, we wouldn't get these from American companies. They are thiefs too, but you seem to be cool with them which makes you look like a major hypocrite (I don,t know who you re as a person, I am just stating how you come across in board interactions). I don't care what twisted and complex logic you write up, that is what you look like: a hypocrite which no one can take seriously, hence why I ignored you for years. However due to several complaints of lack of modding, I have "un-igored you" to remove posts that go against our rules, as you have noticed. You can't criticize or antagonize staff on baords. If you have issues, you know where to send a message. I am making the warnings very clear here so that you can know why you are banned in the future.
Moving on (the following is addressed to everyone), while my opinions on the design differences were in the article, I've since seen a lot of people reffer to the trenchcoat as a cape. And I agree, this does look more like a cape with extra flaps in the front of the robot and the fact that people are calling this a cape is a pretty good sign that there's been some failure in bringing the character's design to toy form.
However, it does look more sleek like in the film and he indeed looks more accurate when looking at the character head on, so still unsure about whether I will be picking him up or not.
-Kanrabat- wrote:It would be an "I.P theft" if they used the official symbols and names. So unless they are straight KOs like what's plaguing G1 and MP, I see most if not all 3P toys as "fan art".
Likeness is also included in IP theft. Some 3p, like the ones for the movie characters, would most definitely get a cease and desist if the toys came from an american based company. As I wrote above, 3p toys coming from a place that has very different laws in terms of copyright infringement is not a coincidence.
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Comment by SpaceEagle
Sep 4, 2022
I'd say unofficial figures would fall under IP theft because many of them just use designs from G1, IDW, or Bayverse specifically to give fans an alternative option than the ones HasTak are offering us. (Which I guess also steals buyers of the real products too, y'know.) I s'pose you could even throw in the IP theft of the car models as well when it comes to G1 or Bayverse, since they're likewise meant to replicate the model without any actual licensing (HasTak are guilty of this themselves now and then.)
I do think the most interesting of non-HasTak TFs are definitely the more original ones, while still for the most part snagging the overall likeness of a character, it's honestly much more appealing to see them try something unique! (Like, seriously, did we really need all those 'toon accurate Menasors?)
I do, of course, see the appeal of unofficial figures if they offer something that otherwise really can't be obtained, like some of those IDW designs that HasTak will probably never do and/or MP-adjacent figures that likewise have car brands that will probably never give the license to 'war machines' ever again.
I do think the most interesting of non-HasTak TFs are definitely the more original ones, while still for the most part snagging the overall likeness of a character, it's honestly much more appealing to see them try something unique! (Like, seriously, did we really need all those 'toon accurate Menasors?)
I do, of course, see the appeal of unofficial figures if they offer something that otherwise really can't be obtained, like some of those IDW designs that HasTak will probably never do and/or MP-adjacent figures that likewise have car brands that will probably never give the license to 'war machines' ever again.
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Comment by Hellscream9999
Sep 4, 2022
Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
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Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
Comment by SpaceEagle
Sep 4, 2022
Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
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I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
Comment by Hellscream9999
Sep 4, 2022
SpaceEagle wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
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Maybe they might pull a SS86 Arcee with that!
Comment by SpaceEagle
Sep 4, 2022
Hellscream9999 wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Man that crosshairs figure is looking really rough, glad for everyone that's excited for it though. I feel like crosshairs in particular would have needed a leader class budget to be done well - which we all know will never happen, and likely wouldn't even yield an enjoyable toy, which is a shame as I love the concept of the design.
Haha yeah, would need some real budget finagling to get it just right only to probably not even be worth the dough or effort!
Still, I think what we've gotten (so far) have at least been alright for the price they go at.
I feel like they should have just reworked the original figure, the rubber flaps worked better for me
Maybe they might pull a SS86 Arcee with that!
